Senate Passes Major Cybersecurity Info-Sharing Bill CISA

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I guess it doesn't matter now whether you were for or against CISA, the bill has passed the Senate, loopholes and all.

Passage of the bill, dubbed the Cybersecurity Information Sharing Act (CISA), is a disappointing defeat for civil-liberties groups and major tech companies that had urged lawmakers to strengthen its privacy protections while arguing that the bill will do little to bolster firms' cybersecurity. CISA proponents say the bill is a necessary step toward combating cyber threats.
 
This just goes to show you that the government really is here to do what you want them to do (your elected representatives).......



...lol
 
Ur_Mom said:
Keep trying and eventually one will sneak in... And it did.

By the people, for the people. Don't you feel well represented? :confused:
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Unfortunately we are well represented. These people didn't magically get into office. They were voted in. The senate and house have horrible approval ratings yet they keep getting re-elected.

TL:DR People are dumb.
 
travbrad said:
Unfortunately we are well represented. These people didn't magically get into office. They were voted in. The senate and house have horrible approval ratings yet they keep getting re-elected.

TL:DR People are dumb.
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I was going to correct it to "voters are dumb" but then I realized that almost 2/3 of the eligible population doesn't vote (letting the 36% who do pick their representatives) ... so you are sadly correct ... People are dumb :(
 
travbrad said:
Unfortunately we are well represented.
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That's not quite true when they're elected for the lies they tell people (which is legal) and only after elected do they vote against the peoples interests. On top of that the news isn't even news anymore, it's bought and paid for propaganda.

People are too busy working and have been conspired against by the media and government.

The senate and house have horrible approval ratings yet they keep getting re-elected.
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Okay, I guess you're right.
 
kbrickley said:
I was going to correct it to "voters are dumb" but then I realized that almost 2/3 of the eligible population doesn't vote (letting the 36% who do pick their representatives) ... so you are sadly correct ... People are dumb :(
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Why bother voting when the system itself is the problem? You have two choices; stupid and stupid and both choices are pushing the same agenda of stupid.
 
kbrickley said:
I was going to correct it to "voters are dumb" but then I realized that almost 2/3 of the eligible population doesn't vote (letting the 36% who do pick their representatives) ... so you are sadly correct ... People are dumb :(
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But what happens when the option is a decision between a turd sandwich and a douchebag writing in who you do feel is a proper candidate is pretty much the same as not voting so...

Bernie Sanders, Hilary Clinton, or Donald trump... I would put money all 3 of them would sign the cisa into law... Obama will probably sign it our last option if it passes the house is to have Obama do something right and veto this shit...
 
More like Cybersecurity Info Stealing Act.

Last time I checked, sharing required willful agreement among all involved parties.
 
This is what happens when you have a welfare populace and a terrorist president.

I live in West Virginia down in Big Coal country yet these citizen/consumers keep voting for Senator Manchin who is working hard and close with the EPA to close the coal mines. There is no industry here no other work just coal. These people WILL keep the man in office who promises greater welfare benefits and no work.
 
This only will hurt people who are doing something wrong on their computers and phones. People who aren't up to no good don't have anything to worry about and they'll never even notice this stuff exists in from one day to the next. So yeah, make sure you're not doing stuff that makes you guilty and you won't need to be upset about laws that get passed to get rid of all those awful libertarians and anarchists that complain constantly, but refuse to move someplace where they can start a nation of their own.
 
Dekoth-E- said:
Why bother voting when the system itself is the problem? You have two choices; stupid and stupid and both choices are pushing the same agenda of stupid.
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This is some horrible logic. If people actually voted then changing the system is possible.
 
Krab said:
This is some horrible logic. If people actually voted then changing the system is possible.
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Care to back that up? How is it possible to change the system when both choices are the same? That isn't horrible logic, what you posted is horrible logic. It isn't possible to enact change in a system of the system itself is broken.
 
Bills/Laws should not be a "Step". They should be a solution.

This is how we end up with so many bad laws that do more h arm than good.
 
AK0tA said:
This is what happens when you have a welfare populace and a terrorist president.

I live in West Virginia down in Big Coal country yet these citizen/consumers keep voting for Senator Manchin who is working hard and close with the EPA to close the coal mines. There is no industry here no other work just coal. These people WILL keep the man in office who promises greater welfare benefits and no work.
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Coal industry is on the way out whether you like it or not, Solar/Wind power has become to affordable that it's impossible for coal to compete with in the long run. The choice for a state is to either adapt and innovate or be left behind. Guess what WV is good at?
 
Wierdo said:
Coal industry is on the way out whether you like it or not, Solar/Wind power has become to affordable that it's impossible for coal to compete with in the long run. The choice for a state is to either adapt and innovate or be left behind. Guess what WV is good at?
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edit: So*
 
CreepyUncleGoogle said:
This only will hurt people who are doing something wrong on their computers and phones. People who aren't up to no good don't have anything to worry about and they'll never even notice this stuff exists in from one day to the next. So yeah, make sure you're not doing stuff that makes you guilty and you won't need to be upset about laws that get passed to get rid of all those awful libertarians and anarchists that complain constantly, but refuse to move someplace where they can start a nation of their own.
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"An original bill to improve cybersecurity in the United States through enhanced sharing of information about cybersecurity threats, and for other purposes."

That's how it always starts, "Just vote for this, it's innocuous."

Soon you'll be saying goodbye to your freedom.
 
xJ321x said:
This just goes to show you that the government really is here to do what you want them to do (your elected representatives).......



...lol
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Truth. In 50 years freedom will be myth rather than the illusion it is now. If we haven't killed ourselves off first...
 
Dekoth-E- said:
Care to back that up? How is it possible to change the system when both choices are the same? That isn't horrible logic, what you posted is horrible logic. It isn't possible to enact change in a system of the system itself is broken.
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And the elites at the top building their own money bins like Scrooge McDuck want it to stay broken.
 
Dekoth-E- said:
Why bother voting when the system itself is the problem? You have two choices; stupid and stupid and both choices are pushing the same agenda of stupid.
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Pretty much. Voting is losing, not voting is losing.
 
Whenever you find yourself choosing between the lesser of two evils, you are still choosing evil... Food for thought.
 
If voting changed anything they'd make it illegal.

When you cast a vote, you are agreeing that some old white hag purportedly has the right to rule you.
It's an outdated system that needs to die in our technological age.

Embrace self ownership and tell these clowns to pound sand.
 
It is absolutely vital that you call your congressmen and senators, thanking them for voting nay and expressing outrage at the yea votes. This is not a foregone conclusion - the bill is not yet law! If we can cause enough contention that the House and Senate cannot rectify a unified bill to send to the president, then it will be tabled and back to the drawing board! Call TODAY!

CISA is a disaster, everything CISPA was and far, far worse! It won't make anyone safter, it will only intrude on your privacy and civil liberties, granting broad access to gov't data collection and worse, giving private industry bribes (in the form of information on competitors, gov't acquired data mining shared to them for advertising, etc) and legal indemnification for turning over data on private citizens. This effectively means that ANY American company cannot be trusted, because they are incentivized to break their own TOS and privacy agreements and give your information to the gov't so they'll get a proverbial pat on the head and a cookie! The EFF, Fight for the Future, and tons of other activist organizations as well as groups like Wikimedia and infosec professionals are against CISA and rightly assert it will do nothing to make us safer, but only widen the surveillance black hole sucking everything in for catalog and use in perpetuity.

This is a big one that has a potential for sweeping changes in Internet privacy. If you were irate over CISPA, this is far worse. There are a handful of new provisions/bills that mean massive changes taking us down the wrong path towards expanded surveillence and CISA, the TPP, TTIP, etc... are all examples thereof
 
mastaBlasta said:
Bernie Sanders voted NO

These people didn't vote:

Cruz (R-TX)
Graham (R-SC)
Paul (R-KY)
Rubio (R-FL)



src: http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=114&session=1&vote=00291#position
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Roll-call: Mr. Skynet? Mr. Skynet, aye...

nomas said:
Whenever you find yourself choosing between the lesser of two evils, you are still choosing evil... Food for thought.
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"Whenever I have to choose between two evils, I always choose the one I haven't tried before."--Oscar Wilde
 
Xaeos said:
It is absolutely vital that you call your congressmen and senators, thanking them for voting nay and expressing outrage at the yea votes. This is not a foregone conclusion - the bill is not yet law! If we can cause enough contention that the House and Senate cannot rectify a unified bill to send to the president, then it will be tabled and back to the drawing board! Call TODAY!

CISA is a disaster, everything CISPA was and far, far worse! It won't make anyone safter, it will only intrude on your privacy and civil liberties, granting broad access to gov't data collection and worse, giving private industry bribes (in the form of information on competitors, gov't acquired data mining shared to them for advertising, etc) and legal indemnification for turning over data on private citizens. This effectively means that ANY American company cannot be trusted, because they are incentivized to break their own TOS and privacy agreements and give your information to the gov't so they'll get a proverbial pat on the head and a cookie! The EFF, Fight for the Future, and tons of other activist organizations as well as groups like Wikimedia and infosec professionals are against CISA and rightly assert it will do nothing to make us safer, but only widen the surveillance black hole sucking everything in for catalog and use in perpetuity.

This is a big one that has a potential for sweeping changes in Internet privacy. If you were irate over CISPA, this is far worse. There are a handful of new provisions/bills that mean massive changes taking us down the wrong path towards expanded surveillence and CISA, the TPP, TTIP, etc... are all examples thereof
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the fucking IRS has stingrays now.

the government doesn't follow it's own laws and doesnt care what you think.

oh how they will laugh at your pleas and desperation.

I say we follow their lead and wipe our ass with their laws.
 
"So This Is How Liberty Dies...With Thunderous Applause" ---a foreshadow.
 
Whenever you find yourself choosing between the lesser of two evils, you are still choosing evil... Food for thought.
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Not sure why so much butthurt in here. Democracy almost by definition can't be perfect, but ours is generally pretty good. 150+ years without a civil war.

When you're talking about national level politics, yes the little man doesn't really have a voice. There are 300 million of us, it's impossible for everyone to get what they want. Things do change, but it's slow and gradual. Look at the tough on drugs philosophy. After 30 years finally they're starting to roll back some of the mandatory sentencing laws. You just have to be patient.


On the other hand if you like faster paced stuff that you can have a say in, you should get involved in your local politics. neighborhood, county, city, state etc. There's probably some community meeting going on right now.

In conclusion. Just because you're a lethargic cynical derp derp derp derp derp
 
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