Windows 10 “Threshold 2” Update Slated For November Release

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According to this site, the Windows 10 "Threshold 2" update has been pushed back to November.

For those who don’t know, Microsoft is currently working on it’s first non-patch update for Windows 10, currently codenamed Threshold 2 and was originally supposed to launch sometime in October. But as of recently, it appears that release window may have slipped ever so slightly, as according to my sources, Threshold 2 will now launch in early November instead.
 
Guess it really doesn't matter at this point, since I have moved back to 8.1
 
I heard that the update includes cutting-edge features, like the ability to change the color of your title bars.
 
the_servicer said:
So are we going to get more names like "Windows 10.1" and "Windows 10.1 Update 1"?
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I think that's a good question. And I think that question goes to the heart of forced updates and also the privacy issues. Windows is a very old product by tech standards and in that time many different standards about software design standards and practices have emerged. Today agile development and big data analytics are the 800 pound gorillas in the room.

My organization of starting to get big time into agile development. Not that I agree with everything about it but there principles about if that seem to correlate to how Windows 10 is being delivered. For instance, in agile you tackle high risk elements first. For Windows 10 I think it's easy for any technical person to identify the upgrade process as the highest one by far. That's why Microsoft delivered Insider builds the way it did. And agile is all about continuous improvement. 47 different versions put a crimp in that, thus forced updates.

As for the privacy issues. Obviously leveraging personal data is at the heart and soul of modern personal computing. Hard to personal and not know a damned thing about you. But beyond that, you leverage that information to make the system better. Even when it comes down to program crashes. Would you rather have someone tell you how it crashed of some data dumps that give you detailed information about exactly what was going on?
 
Threshold 2 doesn't sound like anything major...that update code-named 'Redstone' sounds much more interesting...I'll give Windows 10 another chance once Redstone hits
 
10 does not seem to need anything I can see except more user control over MS intrusion and the ability to hide updates that you do not want or need [pro].
It also would be nice if they gave a detailed description of all KB's so the user can make their own choice whether it pertains to them.
 
heatlesssun said:
Obviously leveraging personal data is at the heart and soul of modern personal computing. Hard to personal and not know a damned thing about you. But beyond that, you leverage that information to make the system better. Even when it comes down to program crashes. Would you rather have someone tell you how it crashed of some data dumps that give you detailed information about exactly what was going on?
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This is absolute BS! and i'm sick of those one liners about it being "the norm" or "google does it so anyone can and should so shut up". People made software that was quite stable and VERY professional before "leveraging personal data". Its just big Co's inching ever so closer to taking over user's rights.

Everything i want my computer to do can Easily be accomplished without me trading my soul for it. So please, just because you are "sponsored" by MS and are sell your soul to that devil, doesn't mean you should spin you tripe about it being so "normal" that we all should just "get over it" and do the same.
 
heatlesssun said:
As for the privacy issues. Obviously leveraging personal data is at the heart and soul of modern personal computing. Hard to personal and not know a damned thing about you. But beyond that, you leverage that information to make the system better. Even when it comes down to program crashes. Would you rather have someone tell you how it crashed of some data dumps that give you detailed information about exactly what was going on?
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Yeah, um, people can personalize their computers to their own tastes without needing someone to mine a bunch of data about them and then decide to do it for them. Like, I can put up a desktop background with some cute kittens on it myself or change how my start menu is configured if I want something personalized. (Well, I can change my start menu if I'm not using Windows 10 anyway.) And if I want a personalized web browsing experience, I can bookmark some websites and visit them. Or I can install the programs I want to use on my computer. Gee...that takes a lot of data mining.

Let's rephrase your post:

heatlesssun said:
Obviously leveraging personal data is at the heart and soul of modern squeezing extra money out of the human cow that's your end user. Hard to target ads and not know a damned thing about you. But beyond that, you exploit that information to make the system better at harvesting your activity. Even when it comes down to program crashes. Wouldn't you rather have someone know you which porn you were viewing via and why so that data can later be exfiltrated and used for blackmail later? Also, I work for Microsoft and own ten computers and counting...with twenty arms so I can use them all at once even though none of them do anything unique or different than the other nine which just makes them redundant and shows how empty my life is without OneNote.
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hotrodsun said:
Guess it really doesn't matter at this point, since I have moved back to 8.1
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Moving back to Windows 8? :eek:
Would rather install ME, shoot myself in the foot an watch reruns of "Two Broke Girls" than going back to Win8 :rolleyes:
 
Megalith said:
I heard that the update includes cutting-edge features, like the ability to change the color of your title bars.
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Or maybe it just adds the plethora of Office 2013 color options: White (white) Light grey (99% white) or dark grey (95% white)
 
If they continue to push memory compression, it is going to break a lot of programs. It already broke Chrome because their programmers are incompetent and hard-coded the syscall interface.
 
damicatz said:
If they continue to push memory compression, it is going to break a lot of programs. It already broke Chrome because their programmers are incompetent and hard-coded the syscall interface.
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That's why we test. And Google updated Chrome to fix it.
 
MrPatate said:
Moving back to Windows 8? :eek:
Would rather install ME, shoot myself in the foot an watch reruns of "Two Broke Girls" than going back to Win8 :rolleyes:
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There is a huge difference between 8 and 8.1 (with Update 1). I moved back to Win 8.1 on my laptop and desktop after trying out 10 for a few days. 8.1 is surprisingly polished by comparison.

Eventually I will probably want to take advantage of DX12, so after MS releases a major update for 10 (like 8.1/8.1 Update 1 were for 8), then I will probably install 10 on a secondary drive to boot and play that one game that will take advantage of DX12 in a meaningful way at some point in the future...
 
damicatz said:
If they continue to push memory compression, it is going to break a lot of programs. It already broke Chrome because their programmers are incompetent and hard-coded the syscall interface.
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No, there was a good reason for using a system call stub method as part of sandbox security, in order to evade hooks some malicious code may sink into Windows system calls. It's hard to argue it hasn't been extremely effective, even compared to MS's IE sandbox The change in how MS compressed memory in 10525 is what broke 64-bit Chrome. The thing is Chrome isn't the only software to do that, so while Chrome is fixed, other software may never be fixed.
 
CreepyUncleGoogle said:
Yeah, um, people can personalize their computers to their own tastes without needing someone to mine a bunch of data about them and then decide to do it for them. Like, I can put up a desktop background with some cute kittens on it myself or change how my start menu is configured if I want something personalized. (Well, I can change my start menu if I'm not using Windows 10 anyway.) And if I want a personalized web browsing experience, I can bookmark some websites and visit them. Or I can install the programs I want to use on my computer. Gee...that takes a lot of data mining.
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That's the kicker. You SHOULD be able to do anything you want with your PC and have not a single bit be used for any telemetry.

However, when you need to use a feature that could use telemetry (Cortana, search with extra features, etc.), then it should be optional.

Even when you disable all the supposed 'extra' features, it still sends information out. That's the big issue a lot of people are having. Many people don't care (myself included). But, if you disable it, it should be done and over with. With Windows 10, it's not. It's still sending data out... Fix that, and make the options easier to disable everything that needs a call back to MSFT, and people will be making less of a deal about it.
 
heatlesssun said:
That's why we test. And Google updated Chrome to fix it.
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It will break a lot of programs that don't get updated anymore (e.g. games).

Microsoft should never have catered to incompetent programmers to begin with. It has done nothing but encourage bad habits. UAC was a start although they should have displayed a message to the effect of "if you are getting annoyed by this, blame the mental midgets that wrote the application program".
 
heatlesssun said:
As for the privacy issues. Obviously leveraging personal data is at the heart and soul of modern personal computing. Hard to personal and not know a damned thing about you. But beyond that, you leverage that information to make the system better.
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"Trust us. And pay no attention to the man behind the curtain".

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DPI said:
"Trust us. And pay no attention to the man behind the curtain".
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The leverage of personal data one of the biggest driving forces in computing today. Windows 10 could disappear right now and this wouldn't change one bit.
 
Ur_Mom said:
That's the kicker. You SHOULD be able to do anything you want with your PC and have not a single bit be used for any telemetry.

However, when you need to use a feature that could use telemetry (Cortana, search with extra features, etc.), then it should be optional.

Even when you disable all the supposed 'extra' features, it still sends information out. That's the big issue a lot of people are having. Many people don't care (myself included). But, if you disable it, it should be done and over with. With Windows 10, it's not. It's still sending data out... Fix that, and make the options easier to disable everything that needs a call back to MSFT, and people will be making less of a deal about it.
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I agree completely that they should be optional. What's happening now is basically the start of an ad-supported WIndows OS that has privacy control settings of questionable functionality that sends pretty much unknown data back to the mommy ship. It'd be fine for people that opt in to this for that to happen, but I don't tihnk that cluelesssun's excuse of "because everyone else is doing it" is at all good enough because not everyone else is doing it.

Whatever though. For me it's pretty much unimportant. Linux is working nicely. ^^
 
CreepyUncleGoogle said:
Whatever though. For me it's pretty much unimportant. Linux is working nicely. ^^
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Yep, Linux does a great job of not collecting data. And not running top tier software. There wouldn't be billions of smartphones, a billion+ Facebook users and billions using online services everyday if the problems that some have were as significant as some think they are.
 
heatlesssun said:
... if the problems that some have were as significant as some think they are.
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It doesn't matter if they are or aren't. If the consumer thinks it's a big enough problem with the proposed evidence, then it's a problem. Look at the Windows 8 lack of start menu. For many, it wasn't a problem. For many others, it was. Therefore - it was changed.

You have to please the customer. Like Facebook, though, it's becoming to where the person running the computer isn't the customer. They are a product.

A lot of the stuff I do with Windows needs that connection to Microsoft - Cortana, OneDrive, Insiders, Feedback tool, etc.. I have no problem with how it is right now. But, if someone wanted to have an offline machine (or a secure online machine), Windows 10 is not the most practical OS.
 
heatlesssun said:
Yep, Linux does a great job of not collecting data. And not running top tier software. There wouldn't be billions of smartphones, a billion+ Facebook users and billions using online services everyday if the problems that some have were as significant as some think they are.
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It does do a great job of not collecting data. Thanks for admitting that. Also, what categorical function does Linux not perform that Windows does?
 
If Linux was owned by a corporation, and not a bunch of neckbeards, they would be collecting your data the same as Microsoft and every other major company does.

Corporations collect your data, not a product.
 
MrPatate said:
Moving back to Windows 8? :eek:
Would rather install ME, shoot myself in the foot an watch reruns of "Two Broke Girls" than going back to Win8 :rolleyes:
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Why? With Classicshell Win8 start menu is far better than the abomination of a start menu in Win10. Plus it has less spyware attached. :rolleyes:
 
Oh yea, I can't wait for the EU to rip Microsoft a new one and fine them millions for this privacy breach and making setting default web browser even more obtuse.
 
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