NSA Spying Shutting Down This Week

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Are we taking bets on whether or not this program will be reauthorized? How many of you think it will? How many of you think it won't?

A Justice Department memo circulated among congressional offices Wednesday and obtained by National Journal said Congress needs to fully settle its differences over the expiring spy provisions this week in order to avoid an operational interruption to the NSA's mass-surveillance program, which was exposed by former intelligence contractor Edward Snowden two years ago.
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We promise it is shut down, but since we are a clandestine organization you have no way of verifying it for yourselves.
 
I'm betting it will be reauthorized, probably in a secret court so that nobody ever hears about it.

Anyway, when has the constitution ever stopped the government from doing what it wants? :p
 
Well they need many millions to keep their server farms running and powered, so they will have a hell of a time keeping it funded when they are being watched like mice in a hawk cage.
 
schizrade said:
Well they need many millions to keep their server farms running and powered, so they will have a hell of a time keeping it funded when they are being watched like mice in a hawk cage.
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Congress hides 10's and/or 100's of billions in every single budget, not sure why this would be any harder to hide.

For example, Congress regularly hides billions of non-military spending in the DoD budget, ranging from funds for breast cancer research to requiring the DoD to buy thousands of Chevy Volts to try and make up for the lack of demand from US consumers.
 
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schizrade said:
Well they need many millions to keep their server farms running and powered, so they will have a hell of a time keeping it funded when they are being watched like mice in a hawk cage.
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They can use that equipment any way they want, all they have to do is budget for it. Wana bet they have already budgeted for operations until the end of this fiscal year? That means it's already paid for and nothing stops them from redirecting it's use to other purposes.

Now will they? Not likely.

My thoughts, the same thinking that made them want this capability, and made them fight to keep it, will still be in place. They will simply try to establish an alternate version that they think can stand up as legal. The essence of this program will remain in effect.

As for a memo from the DoJ, would have meant a hell of a lot more if it had been from the DoD which the NSA belongs to.
 
I bet they already have a separate program running. They probably started it the second the Snowden leak appeared.

The only thing that has changes is their second program is now likely running at the point that they can shut down the first one publicly and pretend to not be doing it any more.

Seriously, is everyone else just that naive?
 
They'll just keep doing it and delegate it to a different agency in name only. That way it's not the NSA doing it on paper so they can say the NSA is no longer doing the spying. The NSA will simply be evaluating the data the "other" agency acquires. They're really slick about this sort of thing.
 
Don't you understand that the only reason the NSA conducts spying operations on Americans is because our government loves us and wants to keep us safe from scary people like the evil terrorists who flew jetliners into buildings on 9/11 because they hate our freedoms?
 
DarkStar_WNY said:
Congress hides 10's and/or 100's of billions in every single budget, not sure why this would be any harder to hide.

For example, Congress regularly hides billions of non-military spending in the DoD budget, ranging from funds for breast cancer research to requiring the DoD to buy thousands of Chevy Volts to try and make up for the lack of demand from US consumers.
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Can you cite a source for this gem? From what I understand it's part of the DOD's Green Initiative program, and I don't see much difference between buying Volts and buying other incredibly expensive vehicles, when that's been the case for much longer than the Volt has existed.
 
The only thing that will change, is now they will just lie even more when they say they are not spying on all citizens, American or otherwise.
 
amddragonpc said:
It'll be privatized with the best surveillance info going to the highest bidder.
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The Majority of the NSA's business is already privatized. It's big business, and it's all about the money (imo).


http://www.democracynow.org/2013/6/11/digital_blackwater_how_the_nsa_gives

"Over the past decade, the U.S. intelligence community has relied increasingly on the technical expertise of private firms such as Booz Allen, SAIC, the Boeing subsidiary Narus and Northrop Grumman. About 70 percent of the national intelligence budget is now spent on the private sector. Former NSA Director Michael V. Hayden has described these firms as a quote "digital Blackwater."
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schizrade said:
Well they need many millions to keep their server farms running and powered, so they will have a hell of a time keeping it funded when they are being watched like mice in a hawk cage.
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Well, they could always have the CIA traffic cocaine and firearms when they want to fund an illegal program, it worked for Reagan and VP Herbert Walker Bush's administration when Congress forbade them any form of participation in a guerilla war in Nicaragua.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJibpRgRaUg
 
Tyler-Durden said:
Don't you understand that the only reason the NSA conducts spying operations on Americans is because our government loves us and wants to keep us safe from scary people like the evil terrorists who flew jetliners into buildings on 9/11 because they hate our freedoms?
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That, and sharia law coming to Walmart.

http://allenbwest.com/2015/05/sharia-law-comes-to-walmart/

There are some paranoid mofo's in our country, and terrorism gave them their day in the sun, and a heap of implied credibility.
 
Likely shut down till reauthorized under another bill with a much less conspicuous name.
 
timta2 said:
Can you cite a source for this gem? From what I understand it's part of the DOD's Green Initiative program, and I don't see much difference between buying Volts and buying other incredibly expensive vehicles, when that's been the case for much longer than the Volt has existed.
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Do a quick google search and you can find dozens of links to stories on the volts.

As for the rest you can look at the links below.

Website for Congressionally mandated research programs (funding within the DoD budget and it costs $45 million a year just to administer it. and very few of the programs are related to the military at all.)
http://cdmrp.army.mil/

This one is not limited to military spending, but many of these projects should make taxpayers furious.
http://showmethespending.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/wastebook2014.pdf


Also consider the V-22 Osprey, the DoD didn't want this $2.5 billion dollar project but Bell & Boeing were smart enough to distribute the manufacturing into the districts of many powerful members of Congress so they got it anywhy and the program cost balloned to about $50 billion and the upkeep cost are 60% over planned/budgeted.

And of course there is the simple truth that even though the Army already has more M1 Abrams tanks then it needs, over 2000 currently sit unused in military depot in the California desert, and told Congress they didn't want anymore, but Congress mandated they buy 280 more as a jobs program.
 
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