U.S. Drone Intercepted 12,000 Feet Above Crimea

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Ruh Roh, talk about your no drone fly zones, someone (and by that we mean probably the Russians) were able to bring down and land a US attack drone flying over the Russian occupied region of the Crimea. Hackers, you gotta love ‘em. :D

The 66th Military Intelligence Brigade moved to the middle of Ukraine earlier in March, according to the Rostec report, which means it wouldn't have been too far from the southern peninsula of Crimea.
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Hardly hackers tho. Radio jammed the commlink and it performed autonomous emergency landing. Assuming this is even true.

DoD and the defense contractor that built it are fuckups if a 4M dollar piece of equipment can be disabled and captured this easily. How about some g.d. self destruct
 
Or better yet it flies itself back to base if commlink is lost?

I hate speculating pointlessly on these details since there are probably technical explanations we'll never hear but I get the sinking feeling there was ineptitude at some level as we proceed to wear everyone's patience real thin with our drones everywhere.
 
Fuck yeah.

Now we know how to take down these fuckers when they will soon be using them against US Civilians.

Its pretty easy to jam a signal and the equipment to do it would be really cheap and readily available if its a common frequency.
 
Even if it didn't happen it's good Russian propaganda to implicate the US.
 
leeleatherwood said:
Fuck yeah.

Now we know how to take down these fuckers when they will soon be using them against US Civilians.

Its pretty easy to jam a signal and the equipment to do it would be really cheap and readily available if its a common frequency.
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we've always known how to do it. it's simple. if you have a Drone that's hundreds of miles from it's controller, close to a very powerful jammer that is operated by someone that knows HOW to jam a frequency hopping spread spectrum encrypted link, and your willing to stay around long enough to do it while the counter ECM people supporting the drone tracks your jammers and puts a bullet (or HARM missile) in your head.

The Russians have the ability to do it, and we can't effectively respond under the conditions the drone was operating in.

not the same thing at all with a drone over US airspace.
 
First off, if its just remotely controlled, its not a drone, its just an RC aircraft.

If jamming the signal causes it to land itself, as does my RC airplane (cost $45 to add that functionality btw), then that is hardly a drone.

They SHOULD be using drones, meaning that its flight is programmed on the ground, and cannot be altered once in flight, except perhaps by a set of preconditioned responses.

This is some fail.
 
Bad Domo on the thread header


This was *not* an "interception" of any sort...they just forced an R/C plane down with no damage to the aircraft...apart from it being captured

Ducman69 said:
First off, if its just remotely controlled, its not a drone, its just an RC aircraft.

If jamming the signal causes it to land itself, as does my RC airplane (cost $45 to add that functionality btw), then that is hardly a drone.

They SHOULD be using drones, meaning that its flight is programmed on the ground, and cannot be altered once in flight, except perhaps by a set of preconditioned responses.

This is some fail.
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Not really. If you are in a situation where you require up to date enough photographic intel where you are willing to put any kind of aircraft in someone else's airspace...odds are really high you'd want the flexibility to live alter mission parameters in the event your target does something unexpected (or the target changes).
 
Ducman69 said:
They SHOULD be using drones, meaning that its flight is programmed on the ground, and cannot be altered once in flight, except perhaps by a set of preconditioned responses.

This is some fail.
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That makes sense. Or a more simple solution would be to trigger a 'return to base' program if the link with the base is severed.

With this said, this wouldn't have happened with a manned flight.

They - whoever did this - didn't bother to shoot an unmanned aircraft, sure as heck wouldn't have shot a regular reconnaissance plane.
 
1. It was supposedly an MQ-5...hardly a loss if that's the case.

2...ALL military "drones" are remote piloted. ALL. OF. THEM. The term "drone" is wildly inaccurate and was coined by the media. All tactical military RPAs have an actual person controlling it in real time. However, it IS possible to program defined flight paths...and is a technique used quite often. There is always an emergency mission programmed into the RPA that forces it to return back to a pre-defined location when comm is lost for an extended period of time (sat-com usually returns within a few minutes at worst), at which point the landing crew will take line of sight control of the aircraft and land it.

The MQ-5 is an ancient piece of technology that likely lacks most of the safeguards. It was supposed to have been retired already, but someone keeps the damn thing alive.
 
DPI said:
Or better yet it flies itself back to base if commlink is lost?

I hate speculating pointlessly on these details since there are probably technical explanations we'll never hear but I get the sinking feeling there was ineptitude at some level as we proceed to wear everyone's patience real thin with our drones everywhere.
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That's how the Iranians snagged one. Jammed its signal, than blasted false GPS signals and the drone thought it was going home.
 
DPI said:
Hardly hackers tho. Radio jammed the commlink and it performed autonomous emergency landing. Assuming this is even true.

DoD and the defense contractor that built it are fuckups if a 4M dollar piece of equipment can be disabled and captured this easily. How about some g.d. self destruct
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They should bring back the mk1 pilot.
 
jpm100 said:
That's how the Iranians snagged one. Jammed its signal, than blasted false GPS signals and the drone thought it was going home.
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Yeah. GPS, sadly, isn't very secure.

Kinda explains why DARPA and the DoD are starting to fund IMU research again. Impossible to hack, making IMU's a more attractive option for anything remotely controlled.
 
gamerk2 said:
Yeah. GPS, sadly, isn't very secure.

Kinda explains why DARPA and the DoD are starting to fund IMU research again. Impossible to hack, making IMU's a more attractive option for anything remotely controlled.
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Actually. GPS is *very* hard to jam/fuck with.

It has only been very recently with advanced computers that it has become possible to fuck with it.
 
haha, the Russians "broke the link between the drone and its operator". They ain't Afghans, they could have re-programmed it in flight, making it do loopy/funny things.
 
It's a good thing we dust the drones all over with smallpox before going deep in enemy territory. Hope they followed standard decon procedure when they landed it.

;)
 
DPI said:
Hardly hackers tho. Radio jammed the commlink and it performed autonomous emergency landing. Assuming this is even true.

DoD and the defense contractor that built it are fuckups if a 4M dollar piece of equipment can be disabled and captured this easily. How about some g.d. self destruct
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self destruction can cause damage and be mistaken as an attack, there's nothing secret or advanced about your average drone, its just money. A-LOT of money, but just money. The original feeds off them weren't even encrypted.
 
Skripka said:
Actually. GPS is *very* hard to jam/fuck with.

It has only been very recently with advanced computers that it has become possible to fuck with it.
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False, GPS is VERY easy to jam...your average electronics enthusiast can do so on the cheap. Spoofing the signal on the other hand is rather difficult.

Modern RPAs have an INS system in case they are both without satellite communications AND are in a GPS jammed environment.
 
The "drone" the Iranians got a hold of was a Navy TARGET drone, they use for tracking/targeting missiles and fighter gun practice. It didn't have any surveillance equipment.

Yes, if this thing doesn't have a "go home" if no contact function, someone needs to be shot ...er I mean fired. Worst case, self destruct.
 
Ducman69 said:
First off, if its just remotely controlled, its not a drone, its just an RC aircraft.

If jamming the signal causes it to land itself, as does my RC airplane (cost $45 to add that functionality btw), then that is hardly a drone.

They SHOULD be using drones, meaning that its flight is programmed on the ground, and cannot be altered once in flight, except perhaps by a set of preconditioned responses.

This is some fail.
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What does that matter if it's still using unencrypted GPS signals to know where it is? Then they'll just do like Pakistan and overpower the GPS satelites with false data and force the drone down. Whoever designed those 4M$ machines is a fucking idiot and missed some critical security flaws.
 
Its pretty easy to jam a signal and the equipment to do it would be really cheap and readily available if its a common frequency.
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Oh yes, you're a brilliant one. And while you are pumping out the watts you will be located by direction finding gear and arrested by the FCC for like, your life.

Maybe you should give it a second thought.
 
Biznatch said:
What does that matter if it's still using unencrypted GPS signals to know where it is? Then they'll just do like Pakistan and overpower the GPS satelites with false data and force the drone down. Whoever designed those 4M$ machines is a fucking idiot and missed some critical security flaws.
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Or he was just doing what he was told to do by people planning to sell new ones which have this nasty problem solved. Business as usual.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/66th_Military_Intelligence_Brigade

Here is some stuff on the Brigade, they are a high level Organization, the 1st Battalion is most likely the guys flying the drone if the story is legit.


By this information "Company A of the 1st BN/66 MI DBE – Provides aerial images through the use of the Hunter Unmanned Aerial Vehicle" So primary use at this echelon is imagery.

So there is nothing that sticks out that screams bogus excpet that they said it was an attack drone. Hunter is unarmed.
 
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