Hold ISPs Responsible For Facilitating Piracy

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Feel free to get your best "roads are responsible for drunk driving" or "spoons cause obesity" rebuttals ready before reading this article.

While laying the blame firmly at the feet of entertainment companies for failing to keep pace with technology, the recently appointed IP advisor to the UK Prime Minister says that should education and new products fail to have the desired effect on illegal downloading, ISPs should be held responsible for their users’ actions.
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Sounds good as long as the minister of transportation will be held responsible for all illegal activities involving a vehicle, and the finance minister responsible for all illegal transactions ...
 
God forbid copyright holders have to do the work themselves to protect their copyrights...
 
awesome! next speeding ticket, I'm going after Nissan for allowing my car to have the option for going faster than the speed limit....
 
SIgh, don't you guys get it already?

It's DO AS WE SAY! Not as we do.
 
I wouldn't have been driving drunk, your honor, if the road had not allowed me to do it. Since I was not in the right state of mind to make such judgments, the road is therefor at fault for said accident. Thank you.
 
Bottles create alchoholics! I have statistics that prove it!
 
What does an ISP have to do with Somali pirates who rob ships on the high seas?
 
How about the movie companies admitting someone internally (or from the distribution side) is leaking the movies before they get to the public...
 
I think a lot of these people forgot how the piracy issue even began, and how they facilitated it. The introduction to MP3 and Divx, which was introduced over a decade ago, allowed the same media to be stored on literally a fraction of the space. Rather then changing their business model, they decided to continue charging people $25 a music CD and DVD. That backfired horribly in their face, in what seems like an arms race to convict anyone who even dares oppose this outdated business model.

People have simply gotten stick of overpaying for music and movies. If it became so easy to distribute music/music, then why are they still charging obnoxious fees? People just end up pirating. Instead of lowering prices and giving reasonable prices, the industry still clings onto their dated business model.

The movie/music industry can learn a thing or two from Steam. While gaming isn't immune from piracy, Valve evolved with the changes, rather then fight back. It's cheaper and easier to buy your game on Steam, then to try and pirate it. But NetFlix keeps losing movies, and cable companies are imposing price hikes and stricter control.

I think it's safe to say the music industry has long since failed, and is no longer relevant. The war is on movies and games, and the industry doesn't want to pay to police their IP, but they want tax dollars to do it. Just more crying that they don't want an outdated business model to die off.
 
Ashbringer said:
But NetFlix keeps losing movies, and cable companies are imposing price hikes and stricter control.
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"The more you tighten your grip, Tarkin, the more star systems will slip through your fingers."
 
The good news is ISP's have goo gobs of money and they will not let anything like this interfere with their cash flow that they rob from us. So I'm not to worried.
 
FLECOM said:
"The more you tighten your grip, Tarkin, the more star systems will slip through your fingers."
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Remember, the only reason we in the USA don't have ACTA in place is because of a bunch of ballsy EU socialists.

Were it not for them, your quote would be very wrong indeed.
 
The industry has become so bloated from every aspect they are doing all they can to hold on. There are a multitude of problems that must be fixed.

The biggest problem is that the TV providers are ALSO the ISP providers. They have a vested interest in strangling any attempt to move away from their out dated business model. In fact the ONLY thing holding it together is live sports.

Image if one day ESPN go wise and just said FUCK IT. Get a watch ESPN sub for $10-$15 a month. BOOM goes my cable subscription that I am desperatly wanting to cut. You can already get the MLB and NBA packages in a streaming format.

Most of these channels that you get in these packages are nothing but reality TV shows, I fail to see how these turn a profit without the bundling that has to go on. TBS, TNT, USA are now all syndicated programing. Very little orignal stuff but these networks have sold their souls for some sports (TNT has NBA and TBS has MLB).

I think in the future we will regress. There will be a resurgence of OTA for a few local and MAJOR networks. The advertising will shift to people avertising their new shows you can buy a season for a certain price. For example, you subscribe to the new season of Boardwalk Empire for $9.99.

If Google fiber grows this will crush everything.
 
I completely agree with this article (that i didn't actually read).

Comcast is my ISP. They own NBCUniversal. So they can go sue themselves.
 
I'm the last person to denounce piracy, but there is a point in the article.

If someone on my company network does something illegal, my company has a responsibility to prevent that, up to and likely including firing the employee.

If someone does something illegal and hides behind an "anonymous" web-based email company based in the US, that company is likely going to hang that person out to dry and distance themselves from the incident.

Thankfully, it's really not in the best interest of the ISPs to monitor to that depth and crap all over its own users. Hopefully all of us users keep hitting them where it matters on issues like this: their pocketbooks.

And support your local EFF or other privacy groups, please. Even if the pocketbooks don't hurt enough, keep hold of your privacy.
 
XvMMvX said:
The industry has become so bloated from every aspect they are doing all they can to hold on. There are a multitude of problems that must be fixed.

The biggest problem is that the TV providers are ALSO the ISP providers. They have a vested interest in strangling any attempt to move away from their out dated business model. In fact the ONLY thing holding it together is live sports.

Image if one day ESPN go wise and just said FUCK IT. Get a watch ESPN sub for $10-$15 a month. BOOM goes my cable subscription that I am desperatly wanting to cut. You can already get the MLB and NBA packages in a streaming format.

Most of these channels that you get in these packages are nothing but reality TV shows, I fail to see how these turn a profit without the bundling that has to go on. TBS, TNT, USA are now all syndicated programing. Very little orignal stuff but these networks have sold their souls for some sports (TNT has NBA and TBS has MLB).

I think in the future we will regress. There will be a resurgence of OTA for a few local and MAJOR networks. The advertising will shift to people avertising their new shows you can buy a season for a certain price. For example, you subscribe to the new season of Boardwalk Empire for $9.99.

If Google fiber grows this will crush everything.
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Lets also not forget the models for PRODUCING the physical discs - we have moves that you have to sit through unskipable previews (even long after you may have bought those movies they're advertising) Advertisements, etc, a dozen anti-copyright screens, and then sometimes multiple menus before you see your movie, and with CDs they put 1 or 2 good songs and a load of low-quality crap on a disc.

If you want to listen to 10 good songs, you have to have a 10-disc CD Changer and wait between each song.

If you want to watch a 90-minute movie, you better have a full 2-hours to waste to see it.

It's just not practical.

This is why content models like iTunes are so popular, you pick the music you want, you pick the videos you want, no extra crap. Untill this becomes the norm, people will lash out against most physical entertainment (discounting games, of course, who figured this out LONG ago and *if* they include any demos/previews, it's 100% optional to view them)
 
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