Brazil Looks To Break Away From US-Centric Internet

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I wonder how many other countries are planning on going this route?

Brazil plans to divorce itself from the U.S.-centric Internet over Washington's widespread online spying, a move that many experts fear will be a potentially dangerous first step toward fracturing a global network built with minimal interference by governments.
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Look all these Governments spy to a certain degree. Most likely many of them are doing the same thing or even more than the US Government. Not saying it's ok just saying they're probably being a bit hypocritical.
 
That would be great if I never have to play in a multiplayer game with any of them ever again. Typing "jajajajajajajajajajajaja" everywhere.
 
Rousseff is urging Brazil's Congress to compel Facebook, Google and all companies to store data generated by Brazilians on servers physically located inside Brazil in order to shield it from the NSA.
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And what if they tell you to go fuck yourself? Which personally is the response I would suggest since if they cave to Brazil, how many other countries will line up to demand the exact same thing?
 
Wow, if we could get China, Russia, most of the Eastern European block and the rest of Asia to do this we could pretty much destroy the entire Spam and Phishing market :D

Of course, then we will all need to go through some new gateway so that the different pockets can talk to each other ... we could call this gateway the Numerical Systematic Algorithm :p
 
Good for them..or maybe not, Brazil is famous for their human right efforts (not). Worse thing that can happen it the internet fracturing between nations, but its only a matter of time before it begins to actually fracture in the US.

I'm really torn on the idea of getting the internet out of US hands. On one hand, without the US we wouldn't have the web as we know it today, it still controls the main naming scheme and the plans of the international community (a.k.a. China, Russia, etc.) really doesn't sit well with me. On the other hand, without CERN we wouldn't have modern Web, the US is abusing its power over the internet (spying, forcing web rules on other countries) and it really doesn't just belong to the US. Argument comes down to US world police (amazingly in both the positive and negative aspects) vs who would really be making the rules on the web if say the UN got control of the internet (China, Russia...Germany, the UK, etc. One worse than the last). Trust you me, I do not want super socialists and communist to dictate the internet I can browse (lol, would there be much of a difference between us and them) :p
 
Brazil should just make its own versions...

Broogle or Brahoo
BraSpace or Britter
BMail...
 
There are few if any Brazilian websites that see regular visitors from those of us in the Anglosphere.

Whereas I'd guess more than half of the websites visited by people in Brazil are hosted in the US.

So good luck with that.
 
"Brazil's Congress to compel Facebook, Google and all companies to store data generated by Brazilians on servers physically located inside Brazil"

This is nothing more than a jobs program for Brazilian IT workers.
 
so they'll risk their entire internet based economy because their government doesn't like foreign government reading their mails? Putting an effort into building better network security would probably be much less harmful to their GDP by a massive magnitude, I'm thinking.
 
You can't break away. It's the Internet. Once there, you are as vulnerable to spying as if you were on an NSA network. The only way to be safe is to disconnect completely.
 
bpmurrGT said:
Look all these Governments spy to a certain degree. Most likely many of them are doing the same thing or even more than the US Government. Not saying it's ok just saying they're probably being a bit hypocritical.
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There's a difference they take offense to the US government doing it. If Google & others servers where based in Brazil and it was Brazil that was caught spying. They wouldn't give a crap about it.
 
jpm100 said:
There's a difference they take offense to the US government doing it. If Google & others servers where based in Brazil and it was Brazil that was caught spying. They wouldn't give a crap about it.
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HAHAHAHAH! Funny, you know that if it were made public that another country were found spying on us, the US would be "outraged". We know for a fact that places like the UK intercept and record all internet traffic that goes through its country, in theory this would include any thing we do that might go through their country (like say a skype call from here to Germany). This is widely known, the building of the facility was well publicized, but you know that the US and UK are in bed together so the US isn't going to raise a stink.
 
without the US we wouldn't have the web as we know it today,
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How do you know.. I hate when people say this because you have no fact to base it on except assumptions that X person / group / country did it best from the start and no one could of done it better! :rolleyes:
 
LeninGHOLA said:
Does that mean less "BR huehuehuehuehheuhue"?
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Seriously. Its really evident on BF3 servers -- in fact any time my clan & I were bored and wanted some target practice and easy kills, "let's join a brazilian server". They're HORRIBLE. And when you kill them its constant bitching in the chat box and !votekick attempts with screams of hacker. Brings a tear to the eye really : )
 
DPI said:
Seriously. Its really evident on BF3 servers -- in fact any time my clan & I were bored and wanted some target practice and easy kills, "let's join a brazilian server". They're HORRIBLE. And when you kill them its constant bitching in the chat box and !votekick attempts with screams of hacker. Brings a tear to the eye really : )
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Works the other way too. Makes global competition difficult.
 
DPI said:
Seriously. Its really evident on BF3 servers -- in fact any time my clan & I were bored and wanted some target practice and easy kills, "let's join a brazilian server". They're HORRIBLE. And when you kill them its constant bitching in the chat box and !votekick attempts with screams of hacker. Brings a tear to the eye really : )
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^^^ this
 
Just use open source software, encryption, and don't store anything on the cloud.
 
Brazilian politics is almost entirely based around one thing, say you hate the US and are doing things against the US and you win, it's been like this for decades, its the only way they can deflect the public scrutiny of their own massive corruption. This is vote pandering no different than the US immigration crap.
 
You mean free to play online games might be free of the BR-tards? This cannot happen soon enough...
 
It would be interesting if Brazil made it's own set of protocols to prevent NSA spying. Heck, they could make improvements that make the net safer (encryption everywhere) and faster.
Remember when making long-distance phone calls was expensive? When even a call to another US state was considered long distance. If each nation created a proprietary internet, maybe ISPs could reap the benefits of a fractured internet.
 
MrGuvernment said:
How do you know.. I hate when people say this because you have no fact to base it on except assumptions that X person / group / country did it best from the start and no one could of done it better! :rolleyes:
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Then it would be different and not "the web as we know it today" like you quoted. :rolleyes:
 
MrGuvernment said:
How do you know.. I hate when people say this because you have no fact to base it on except assumptions that X person / group / country did it best from the start and no one could of done it better! :rolleyes:
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It is true. The internet was originally ARPANET, a darpa project, for a possibly impending nuclear war which would have wiped out all existing communications at the time (likely emp, mess up radios).

ARPANET

This was not the internet as we know it today, this was the rawest, crudest form you could imagine.
 
MrGuvernment said:
How do you know.. I hate when people say this because you have no fact to base it on except assumptions that X person / group / country did it best from the start and no one could of done it better! :rolleyes:
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I didn't give individual credit to the US, I recognize that the US laid the ground work which CERN improved.
 
Not really sure why it's called "first step to fracturing". If they go through with it, there'll be another major hub that internet traffic can be routed through, much like how the US, Europe and China are already.

BTW, yahoo has regional servers right? As i understand it, yahoo set up additional servers by region to ease up on their mail traffic. Are those servers physically located on their host countries? Does the NSA have access to those? Do other companies do the same?

I know a few years ago, we received a notice that our data was going to be moved to a local server. If Yahoo and Google were already doing this for other countries as well, wouldn't there already be a Yahoo mail and Google server somewhere in south america?
 
RangerXML said:
HAHAHAHAH! Funny, you know that if it were made public that another country were found spying on us, the US would be "outraged". We know for a fact that places like the UK intercept and record all internet traffic that goes through its country, in theory this would include any thing we do that might go through their country (like say a skype call from here to Germany). This is widely known, the building of the facility was well publicized, but you know that the US and UK are in bed together so the US isn't going to raise a stink.
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you obvious missed the point about Brazil not being any different. The converse is that the US isn't any different. Like the outrage in Brazil is because the US is doing it I would expect the reverse. Unless you think the US wouldn't be justified in being outraged if rolls were reversed?

Like I said the only reason its the US doing it and not Brazil is because the companies that handle the bulk of the traffic are based in the US.
 
The US knows that everyone is spying on us, the Chinese hackers are in the news every week. But do we say you cannot use our internet because of it? As I said if you know a little about Brazil you know this runs deeper in their political agenda than it seems on the surface. The funny thing is while Brazil spends all their time fighting the man, America, the Chinese are stealing all their opportunity for economic progress and contracts.
 
canna said:
Can't say I blame them. I'd do the same thing.
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Your title, in combination with a topic on Brazil is hilariously fitting.

But, yeah, a reduction in BRs online? Can they convince Argentina to join them? Online interaction would improve tremendously, even outside of gaming.
 
blitzkommando said:
But, yeah, a reduction in BRs online? Can they convince Argentina to join them? Online interaction would improve tremendously, even outside of gaming.
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It's not going to be a reduction, they'll still be there like always.

The way the internet works (Ours several years ago anyway), if i were to send a message to my neighbor, my message will go to China, to the US, back to China, and then to my neighbor. Atleast that's what kept happening when i was making a networking messenger thesis for the police labs, the ISP apparently routes their traffic through the US and i had to do a couple of dozen hops around the world to get to the next town! A lot of traffic gets routed through the US even if the US wasn't the destination. It was a few years before that got fixed but some of the other stuff we use still gets bounced off the US servers.

If they go through with it and get the rest of south america to join in and lay down more fiber optic cable, they can bypass the US and route the bulk of their traffic directly to the next continent. The only thing going to the US will be the ones specifically going to US based servers.

If you live in africa, you'll still get your brazillian porn, only it doesn't have to go through the US servers. You'll still see them online on facebook. Nothing is going to change for the enduser, except maybe lower pings.
 
a move that many experts fear will be a potentially dangerous first step toward fracturing a global network built with minimal interference by governments.
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the Internet may have been build with little government interference, but the government in almost all countries today have their paws in the Internet now.
The amount of laws, restrictions and money put into the Internet by various governments is ridiculous.

How did we end up in this mess with countries left and right not trusting their own inhabitants?
 
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