EU Parliament Rejects ACTA

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According to the Associated Press, the European Parliament has voted against ACTA, with only 39 in favor and 478 against.

Supporters said ACTA — the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement — was needed to standardize international laws that protect the intellectual property rights. Opponents feared it would lead to censorship and a loss of privacy on the Internet.
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I'm happy for them. Now if we could just establish the same degree of reason and intellect in the United States...*glances at Wal-Mart*...pfft, forget I even suggested the idea.
 
Something strange going on here. Second article on [H] about something happening in EU, not bashing the EU. :eek:
 
Same with the US and CISPA/PIPA. Enough people complain and lawmakers panic vote no.

Note that im happy its a no vote.
 
faugusztin said:
Something strange going on here. Second article on [H] about something happening in EU, not bashing the EU. :eek:
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That's what happens when people do the right thing. When they do the wrong thing they get the stick.
 
Tends to happen when corporations haven't bought so many tame politicians to make them do as they are told.
 
This could only mean that worse legislations are coming. We have some pretty crazy laws, tbh. Cucumbers' shape comes to mind, which is a terrible thing as selected few providers of GMO seeds can happily establish monopolies. Export of a lot of great food products are banned in certain countries. Vegetables with no taste, despite their "inappropriate" shape and looks are the norm. Hate it.
 
ooops, last sentence should be:

Vegetables with no taste but "proper" looks are the norm, while real ones are being labeled as "inappropriate" because their superficial flaws.
 
SkribbelKat said:
I'm happy for them. Now if we could just establish the same degree of reason and intellect in the United States...*glances at Wal-Mart*...pfft, forget I even suggested the idea.
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The original news is great, however really more reason and intellect?
I think you forgot about greece self destructing because they lacked reason and intellect to balance their budgets/retirements. Italy isn't far behind nor is Spain.
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@Spun Ducky: because US debt at 101.5% of GDP is much, much better than 136% of Italy, right ? :D
 
Spun Ducky said:
The original news is great, however really more reason and intellect?
I think you forgot about greece self destructing because they lacked reason and intellect to balance their budgets/retirements. Italy isn't far behind nor is Spain.
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You have an unrealistically high opinion of what we pass off as civilization in the United States.
 
faugusztin said:
@Spun Ducky: because US debt at 101.5% of GDP is much, much better than 136% of Italy, right ? :D
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The 2 countries are spending above their limits, however I think it is pretty clear that at 101.5% it would be possible to recover with adjustments to the budget. Italy on the other hand at 136% is most certainly too far gone to recover at this point. It is easy to equate this to credit cards.

The USA is currently just a little bit percentage wise above their credit limit if they eat some top ramen for a month or 2 they should be able to get it back down. Italy on the other hand is in full on bankruptcy.

SkribbelKat said:
You have an unrealistically high opinion of what we pass off as civilization in the United States.
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I didn't say that the USA is the most civilized or even of a high level of civilization but just higher up than the EU currently.
 
Comparing debt to GDP ratios is only partially right. The US can devalue their currency, and the PIIGS can't. Is this a long term fix? Obviously not, but it puts the US in a MUCH better position to be in than certain EU countries.
 
Spun Ducky said:
I didn't say that the USA is the most civilized or even of a high level of civilization but just higher up than the EU currently.
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Currently? Hmm, it seems risky to base a decision on a single instance of civil unrest due to economic problems and I'd fully expect the forum's European members to point out something like the LA race riots as the basis for calling the lot of us morons. Though, they might also point out where our global standings in education or some other relevant societal measurement too. I really think it's easier and less controversial to make fun of ourselves than point a haughty finger elsewhere. I guess there's always someone though...
 
Wow, I'm impressed. I didn't think they had it in them. Then again I suppose not all of Europe is as completely Socialist as I may have thought :p/
 
Good for Europe, but Obama still signed it, still supports it, and won't let anyone see what is in it.
 
BladeVenom said:
Good for Europe, but Obama still signed it, still supports it, and won't let anyone see what is in it.
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Except if they ever, ever bring a person too trial based on the Acta agreement, they would have to fully disclose what is in Acta, or they would have to have the case thrown out of court
 
Great one for Europe there. Glad to see there's still some shred of sanity left on the planet. Now to keep the US Congress from ratifying this nightmare...
 
http://falkvinge.net/2012/07/04/vic...al-humiliating-defeat-in-european-parliament/

fun read seems the only ones to sign it other then US is Morocco lol IF they even sign it at this point

soo yea...

from the link
In theory, ACTA could still come into force between the United States and a number of smaller states. Ten states have been negotiating it, and six of those need to ratify it to have it come into force. In theory, this could become a treaty between the United States, Morocco, Mexico, New Zealand, Australia, and Switzerland. (But wait, the Mexican Senate has already rejected ACTA. As has Australia and Switzerland in practice. Oh well… a treaty between the United States and Morocco, then, in the unlikely event that the United States will actually and formally ratify it. You can see where this is going.)
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this is pretty much why save for germany europe is an economic mess, they just consistantly make bad economic descisions.
 
MrGuvernment said:
They could still push the law through though i was reading..
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Technically yes. Practically no. When 90% of the representatives says no to some legislation, repeating it forever won't solve anything. Actually, if it makes them do anything then it will push them against the legislation even more, voting against on principle.


ikarinokami said:
this is pretty much why save for germany europe is an economic mess, they just consistantly make bad economic descisions.
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What does a MPAA/RIAA international treaty (ACTA) to do with "bad economic decisions" ?
 
faugusztin said:
Technically yes. Practically no. When 90% of the representatives says no to some legislation, repeating it forever won't solve anything. Actually, if it makes them do anything then it will push them against the legislation even more, voting against on principle.




What does a MPAA/RIAA international treaty (ACTA) to do with "bad economic decisions" ?
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A major part of any economy is the enforcements of contract rights and economic properties which inclues things like intellectual property.
 
ikarinokami said:
A major part of any economy is the enforcements of contract rights and economic properties which inclues things like intellectual property.
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...and I don't see big film studios going broke because ACTA/SOPA failed to pass, nor do I see big film studios refusing to do business in the EU because of piracy.
 
bwang said:
...and I don't see big film studios going broke because ACTA/SOPA failed to pass, nor do I see big film studios refusing to do business in the EU because of piracy.
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...And to top it all off, all the numbers the RIAA/MPAA release publically about how much revenue they loose every year in piracy are so laughably over-exaggerated as to loose them any credibility in the matter.
 
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