Silverstone TJ11: The Big-Ticket

WorldExclusive · May 28, 2010

Release Date: Now Available
MSRP: $599

Now on sale at these retailers:
http://www.google.com/search?aq=f&s...mode&cd=5&ved=0CCcQ_AUoBA&fp=8c79c10f3571ce5b

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FaRKle0079 said:
In stock at FrozenCPU.

Only $560 with 5% "PCAPEX" discount code! hahaha
Shipping is only $18 to CA too lol

Update: 1/27

Tony and Tweaktown finally presents the production version of the Silverstone TJ11:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHu-uwHuBow&feature=player_embedded

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Update:

Now listed on Silverstone site. Release date within weeks.

Final Design:
http://www.silverstonetek.com/products/p_contents.php?pno=TJ11&area=usa

Manual:
http://www.silverstonetek.com/downloads/Manual/case/Multi-TJ11-Manual.pdf

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Update: 12/07/2010

The TJ11 will be leaving the factory in a few weeks, mid-January availability in the US.
I guess CES 2011 would be a good time to see the case, but the final product will not be shown.

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November 22nd Update:

Update: Bit-Tech Silverstone TJ11 Preview

You all know I've been all over this case from the beginning. I had and still have high hopes for this case, but my expectations have been dwindling over the last few weeks. Here's Bit-tech's exclusive close up of the TJ11.

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cases/2010/11/22/silverstone-tj11-preview/1

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Update: November 10, 2010

From VR-ZONE via tengj2000

Temjin TJ11

Finalized Photos:

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Headline
Tower of power, elegance, and technical excellence

Introduction
In 2005, SilverStone created the Temjin TJ07, a tower chassis that was built ahead of its time with unprecedented unibody construction and compartmentalized layout for near limitless liquid cooling configuration. Then in 2006, the Temjin TJ09 was released with beautiful classic styling and advanced see-through air duct designed for cooling generations of powerful graphics cards that was yet to be released. In 2008, SilverStone broke convention and created the first retail computer chassis to implement 90 degree motherboard mounting with the RAVEN RV01, a new design that set benchmarks for balancing air cooling performance and quietness.

Not content to rest on its past achievements, SilverStone engineers aim to set yet another benchmark with the Temjin TJ11 for 2010 and beyond. The TJ11 possess all the greatest features from past SilverStone flagships products along with new designs such as the Air Penetrator fans, making it a superb chassis for cooling and low noise.In addition, there are plenty of ergonomic touches such as quick access filters, hot-swappable hard drive bays, removable motherboard tray, CPU back plate cutout, and optimized cable routing paths to enable easy maintenance/upgrade for always running as efficiently as possible.
For hardcore enthusiasts, the beautifully crafted all aluminum TJ11 is a pleasure to work with as the entire chassis is free of rivets so everything can be taken apart. It also has a bigger lower compartment than the TJ07 to house the largest radiator available such as Hardware Labs Black Ice® SR1 560 (4 x 140mm).
The potential and the flexibility of TJ11 are truly unrivaled. It can be used to build a top of the line gaming PC with its 1000W+ cooling capability on air, build an impressive storage server with its plethora of drive bay options, or build an amazing piece of technology artwork with liquid cooling.

Special Features
Compartmentalized layout from Temjin TJ07
See-through air duct from Temjin TJ09
90 degree motherboard mounting from RAVEN RV01
Includes two Air Penetrator AP181 fans to aid stack cooling
Room for fitting powerful water cooling equipment

Motherboard back plate opening behind CPU area for quick cooler assembly
Support 11” wide ATX motherboard
Dual power supply support
Extra large venting area for 10th expansion slot
Rivet free construction for maximum serviceability and modding
All aluminum construction with anodized sand-blasted finish

A few sites are starting to show final models of the case, but it still looks unfinished:

http://www.expreview.com/12539.html
Notice the retail box in the back.

http://www.cowcotland.com/news/22434/silverstone-silverstone-temjin-11.html

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Release Date: Q4 2010

New Photos of the updated protoype as of October 15th 2010 from Tony Ou:
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http://i53.tinypic.com/2n8vuxe.jpg

Changes that were made:

Tony Ou said:
Here are links to the product event we co-hosted with our distributor in Japan last weekend. A close to final spec TJ11 was shown along with advanced prototypes of other upcoming cases such as RV03, FT03, HTPC cases:

http://ascii.jp/elem/000/000/560/560658/
http://akiba-pc.watch.impress.co.jp/hotline/20101009/etc_sstoneev1.html

It's difficult to see from the photos, but the TJ11 presented had the following updates (along with few tweaks) over the one shown in June at Computex:

- Functional slide out motherboard tray
- Dual LED-lit power buttons
- Frame made out of extruded aluminum instead of plastic
- Every aluminum part is sand-blasted and anodized
- Expansion slots increased to nine to support XL-ATX
- Slide-out fan filters from mid-section air duct
- All screws, no rivets

Tony Ou said:
For those of you curious, the TJ11 is indeed the biggest case we've ever made by real volume. Dimension wise, the RV01's total measurements are greater, but that's mainly due to its unusual shape and extruding bits and pieces.

The official measurement for TJ11 is:

224 mm (W) x 642 mm (H) x 657 mm (D) ~ 95 liters
8.82" (W) x 25.28" x (H) x 25.87" (D)

As a comparison, the TJ07 is:

220 mm (W) x 560 mm (H) x 565 mm (D) ~ 70 liters
8.66" (W) x 22.05" (H) x 22.24" (D)

WorldExclusive said:
It can hold two 560(4x140mm) radiators which are 605mm long.
480(4x120mm) rad is 527mm long so that will fit just fine.
The TJ11 is a dual PSU case so one of rads has to be short enough to still fit the PSU on either side.
360(3x120mm) rad is 397mm long leaving 208mm of space for the PSU.
Corsair AX1200 is 185mm long, so you can fit the 360 rad in front of the psu with no issues.

The HDD cages can be relocated to the 5.25" drive bays by design.

MomijiTMO · May 28, 2010

Interesting. I'd like a good shot of the front before I make up my mind.

SKL1 · May 28, 2010

I don't like the 90 degree thing

Danny Dawg · May 28, 2010

Ok my Top 10+1 List:

1. If the hard drives are going to be on the bottom, and we have to use right angle SATAs, give me a little more clearance between the side panel and the drive cage. On the TJ07, that was a very tight fit especially with SATA power cables thrown in despite looping them and tucking them in between all the drives. Keep the side mesh and fans.

2. Keep the strong center frame/chassis and keep it thick so the case is rock steady/solid. I ran one TJ07 fully loaded (max drives, max add-ons, max video cards, max PSUs) and it was damn heavy but nice not to have it sag (or feel like you were going to lose it) when you had to move it.

3. The one thing I might have done to a TJ07, after video cards became instanely hot and the TJ09 came out, was perhaps to cleanly louver (or vent) the side panel near the video cards to allow for extra airflow- or perhaps a mesh setup like on top of the case or down below where the HDDs are would have been fine. A fan mount would have been a bonus in that location as well as the mesh, vents, or louvers.

4. Bigger and wider feet on the bottom-- if possible - maybe a little smaller than CW02 size. Maybe a little taller in height if you allow the PSU option below in #5.

5. Keep the PSU optional mount kit (vertical or hoizontal) but maybe make a small vent area at the bottom of the case with mesh like the top so you can put the PSU fan downwards in the case. Then you have 3 options for the PSU fan- down, out the side of the case, or up in the case.

6. Maybe for people in high dust areas, create an optional secondary filtration media for the mesh and fan areas on the case that is easily removalble for cleaning.

7. Give me at least one 3.5" bay on the front that does not need an adapter- leave it open (but put a bay cover on it) and don't put the USB/Firewire/audio hookups in it. Keep the USB/Firewire/audio mounts on the front face of the case, not on top. (Or maybe give an option to mount in either location).

8. The cushioned flip down front face on the CW02 is cool- can you do something like that on the TJ11?

9. Maybe give me a couple of ways to mount 2.5" drives inside the case in addition to- or as options with- the 3.5 drives.

10. I like computer internals tight and snug and would prefer to use screws- and even better thumbscrews. I don't care for all the quick mounting gadgetry/stuff. IMO- keep the TJ11 away from that gimmicky stuff.

11. Silver and black please.

Dan

WorldExclusive · May 28, 2010

^^^ Good Feedback

1. This must be a great air-cooled case with extreme water-cooling potential. A high end LC system in this case rotated 90 degrees will look awesome.

2. We should be able to fit a thick triple radiator at the bottom and able to replace the 180mm fans with three 120/140mm fans.
(Must be able to fit 12.5 long video cards long with a radiator at the bottom, unlike the FT02 that only allows 10.5 video cards with a radiator)

3. I prefer a different HDD setup than the ones that have been used on the FT02 cases. More space in-between the hard drives to allow more air to pass through. Some of use have hard drives that operate at high temps.

4. 100% Aluminum outer shell and inner frame! We will also like to see Anodized black, blue and red interiors i.e. Lian Li.

5. 8 Expansion Slots i.e. RV02. Most of us who are buying this case have motherboards capable of Triple and Quad SLI/CF.

6. 4 USB 3.0 ports

7. Bottom mounted PSU to reduce depth of case.

8. Window mounted inside of case panel to prevent damage i.e. Corsair 800D. It looks better also.

Will add more later...

ebolamonkey3 · May 29, 2010

Wow, saw this video a couple of days ago (w/o sound) and thought it was a new Raven case based on the style LOL!

Anyways, definitely what Dan and WE said. Need to be big enough to fit radiators and 12.5" long video cards and to have to option to replace stock 180mm fans with 120/140mm ones. Also 8 expansions slots since the people who buy this case will most likely need that space.

Another vote for the hard drive bay redesign. A little more space in between drive bays and the option to mount a fan on the left side (away from PSU and cables) to cool all those hard drives. And no flimsy plastic parts please.

Speaking of the hard drive bays, wouldn't it make more sense to place them vertically (same orientation as in the FT02) and have a fan underneath them blowing upward? There would need to be an opening above the hard drive area to allow the hot air to rise, but if you have another fan on top (like in the lowest 5.25 bay area) and have 2 exhausts on the top of the case instead of just one in the FT02, wouldn't it achieve better airflow and temps? Because right now I don't see where the hot air from the hard drives will go, since it's cut off from the mobo area on top and blocked by the PSU in the back.

Also, a dedicated spot for 2.5' SSDs would be nice, as the intended market for this case will probably have moved to SSDs by the time this case gets released.

Filters, filters, filters.

MATCHING ALUMINUM DRIVE BAY COVERS PLEASE??

And oh yes, more pics of the case please

Edit 1:
Didn't get to see the top of the case at all but it would be nice to have an exhaust fan that lines up with the CPU so we can achieve a windtunnel effect with a tower formed CPU cooler.

Edit 2:
Rubber covered motherboard cutouts a la the Corsair 800D. I think that's a big part of what made that case so sexy.

Edit 3:
PSU covers like the one in the HAF X, rubber grommets/fan screws, case cables wrapped in black/white to match interior, include black sata cables for black interior, etc... It's the little details that complete the case.

yenniedn · May 29, 2010

Couldn't really see much . . . other than it looks like a redone TJ07 - which I never liked to begin with. I hope subsequent photos prove me wrong.

ZacharyS · May 29, 2010

So maybe it's just late, but with the motherboard being rotated like that, does that mean I will have to plug in everything on the top of my case? Why would I want a bunch of wires sticking out of the top

EDIT: Upon further inspection of the Raven Two (the only other case I could find with this 90 degree stuff), I have to say it's actually pretty cool. In case anyone is interested, there is some good pictures here (spc).

yenniedn · May 29, 2010

ZacharyS said:
So maybe it's just late, but with the motherboard being rotated like that, does that mean I will have to plug in everything on the top of my case? Why would I want a bunch of wires sticking out of the top

EDIT: Upon further inspection of the Raven Two (the only other case I could find with this 90 degree stuff), I have to say it's actually pretty cool. In case anyone is interested, there is some good pictures here (spc).

You haven't looked at Silverstone cases in awhile huh?

They've been doing this 90* rotated motherboard design since they introduced the original Raven case. There is also the FT02 case as well.

Better late to the game than never, I guess

ZacharyS · May 29, 2010

I haven't really looked at any cases in a while

Still rocking a Thermaltake Tsunami I got like forever ago. It's been with me through 3 system builds, and I'm getting ready to retire it. I'm glad I stumbled upon this post too, because I'm pretty sure my next build is going to use the Raven Two case. Hopefully I'll have my funds set up to build in the next month

yenniedn · May 29, 2010

ZacharyS said:
I haven't really looked at any cases in a while

Still rocking a Thermaltake Tsunami I got like forever ago. It's been with me through 3 system builds, and I'm getting ready to retire it. I'm glad I stumbled upon this post too, because I'm pretty sure my next build is going to use the Raven Two case. Hopefully I'll have my funds set up to build in the next month

You should've checked a week ago - I just sold my Raven Two case here. There's actually an updated RV02 model that will be released soon. Can't remember the exact model # right now but you can google it.

ebolamonkey3 · May 29, 2010

If you're going for the 90 degree rotated cases you should just check out all of them: RV02, RV02-E, and FT02 cases by Silverstone.

WorldExclusive · May 29, 2010

They took a TJ07 and redone the inside with no changes to the outside for now.
I'm sure in the coming months we will see a total redesign of the case.

KnishofDeath · May 29, 2010

I do not like those 90 degree cases whatsoever.

echn111 · May 29, 2010

Finally a potential successor to the TJ07, the best WC case that still looks like a high end case (sorry mountain mod). This might actually tempt be back to WC'ing, because right now, all the best cases are for heavily focused on aircooling (which is fine) but without many W/C friendly features.

As for the 90 degree, it seems a feature mainly for aircooling and for people who keep the crappy reference heatsink on their GPU's. Since heat rises it helps. But who really cares? If this is the successor to the TJ07, then it should not be about air cooling, it needs to be focused on watercooling, albeit with reasonable airflow with low noise fans. Meaning absolutely no more crappy 92mm fans on the top (minimum fan size for a good sized, high end case is 120mm).

The TJ07's massive WC potential is "wasted" on people that just use it for air. Hopefully the TJ11 becomes "the" watercooling case, otherwise it's a lost oppotunity.

Just make sure the lower chamber can handle at least a 3 x 140mm rad (not 120mm) or preferably a 4x140mm rad and it'll finally be an improvement over the TJ07. In fact, ideally you could save space by having the rad lie down flat and pull cool air from the bottom of the case rather than the side...which might go well with the whole 90 degree thing (as exhaust is on top, means airflow is direct bottom to top). The ability to put two rads in the lower chamber might sound good in theory, but they intefere with each other. "One" good large rad in the bottom, perhaps lying flat down, would be great. Anyway, look forward to this case and hope they don't mess it up by trying to focusing too much on aircooling.

zero2dash · May 29, 2010

It looks like a really tall FT02/RV02... instead of stretching it wide, they stretched it tall and moved the HDs around.

Omerta · May 29, 2010

can't make any judgements till i get a better view of it. So far though, not sure about what i'm seeing.

SeamasterPG · May 30, 2010

Omerta said:
can't make any judgements till i get a better view of it. So far though, not sure about what i'm seeing.

Maybe this will help you...

The case is a mix (nothing new, nothing original, no innovation!) between the TJ07 and RV02/FT02.
Acording to ST, they're developing this thing since last year, with that much time, that's the best they can do??? If you're going to make a lifting to an old model, at least you could make a decent prototype...
Well, hopefully they added some dust filters.

zero2dash · May 30, 2010

^^^Not a good image to post though because that's not it.

It's essentially a more water friendly FT02.
Taller and slimmer wide.
I think we can safely assume it'll be $349-$399 judging by the TJ line price point.

mrmylanman · May 30, 2010

I want to see more pics, but it might be a neat case.

Master Blaster · May 30, 2010

Sigh. I wish I didn't agree with SeamasterPG. bit he's right.

SeamasterPG · May 30, 2010

zero2dash said:
^^^Not a good image to post though because that's not it.

It's essentially a more water friendly FT02.
Taller and slimmer wide.
I think we can safely assume it'll be $349-$399 judging by the TJ line price point.

It's a "visual help" if you will, i've never said it was the real deal.
Watching the video you can see the TJ11's gonna be taller, and in that aspect, i think the pic i've uploaded is about the same high (Petronas towers high!).
The thing with ST cases is that the quality is going down but with the same price tag.More plastic (like CoolerMaster), more cheap finishing, look at the TJ03/07/09/10 interiors, now look at the FT02, and all the new plastic models they have with the same kind of price tag.
For me the worst part is that they try to sell us that they's R&D this thing, come on, it's a bad mix, not an improvement from TJ07 model.

Master Blaster said:
Sigh. I wish I didn't agree with SeamasterPG. bit he's right.

I wish i didn´t agree with me either...

WorldExclusive · May 31, 2010

There's nothing on the outside of the FT02 structure that's plastic. The only plastic parts are the tool-less parts and fans. By the comments you will think that the panels were made out of plastic. Lian Li all aluminum case prices have been going out of the roof lately because of economic reasons I'm sure. Their Lancool line is doing very well though, tons of plastic there. The 800/700D are very popular and has a lot of plastic parts. A case manufacture can make a $400 plus all aluminum case like Lian Li, but how many units they will sell. A few hundred in the first year maybe.

Listening to the video, the prototype was built this month. The case was only rumored since last year. Tony already said not to expect this case to hit shelves until early next year. I'm sure the real plans for this case is still on paper.

Omerta · May 31, 2010

SeamasterPG said:
It's a "visual help" if you will, i've never said it was the real deal.
Watching the video you can see the TJ11's gonna be taller, and in that aspect, i think the pic i've uploaded is about the same high (Petronas towers high!).
The thing with ST cases is that the quality is going down but with the same price tag.More plastic (like CoolerMaster), more cheap finishing, look at the TJ03/07/09/10 interiors, now look at the FT02, and all the new plastic models they have with the same kind of price tag.
For me the worst part is that they try to sell us that they's R&D this thing, come on, it's a bad mix, not an improvement from TJ07 model.

I wish i didn´t agree with me either...

You've clearly never dealt with the FT02. Outside of the plastic HDD rack holders, the thing is a TANK. It's definitely more sturdy than the tj9 or tj10, but the tj07 does have the same unibody (though thicker) construction as the FT02/FT01.

The fully aluminum Lian Li cases do not touch the sturdiness of the FT02 unless you are talking about their old v series cases. I actually view it as Lian Li declining in their design/quality while silverstone being more innovative and actually bringing more to the table.

SeamasterPG · May 31, 2010

WorldExclusive said:
There's nothing on the outside of the FT02 structure that's plastic. The only plastic parts are the tool-less parts and fans. By the comments you will think that the panels were made out of plastic. Lian Li all aluminum case prices have been going out of the roof lately because of economic reasons I'm sure. Their Lancool line is doing very well though, tons of plastic there. The 800/700D are very popular and has a lot of plastic parts. A case manufacture can make a $400 plus all aluminum case like Lian Li, but how many units they will sell. A few hundred in the first year maybe.

Listening to the video, the prototype was built this month. The case was only rumored since last year. Tony already said not to expect this case to hit shelves until early next year. I'm sure the real plans for this case is still on paper.

Well, i now my english is real bad (sorry about that), so let me be cristal clear: I've never said the FT02 was made of plastic, i've one (and 2 TJ03).What i did said was that the new Silvertone caseS, in general, look and are cheap cases with big price tags, some of the new models, not the FT02, living aside the left mobo tray and the 90º thing, it's a nice case.
About the plans for this case, if that's the case, why bringing a scrap prototype then?

Omerta said:
You've clearly never dealt with the FT02. Outside of the plastic HDD rack holders, the thing is a TANK. It's definitely more sturdy than the tj9 or tj10, but the tj07 does have the same unibody (though thicker) construction as the FT02/FT01.

The fully aluminum Lian Li cases do not touch the sturdiness of the FT02 unless you are talking about their old v series cases. I actually view it as Lian Li declining in their design/quality while silverstone being more innovative and actually bringing more to the table.

Again, where did i said that the FT02 have mayor plastic parts? Maybe it's a tank, but the interior on the silver version is cheap, look the shiny steel finish on other TJ models like the ones i've mentioned, that's a - in quality in comparison.
I don't care mucho about Lian Li, but i still remember the old times when CoolerMaster made cases like SilverStone used to, i don't see innovation when you mix two different cases, anybody can do that.

WorldExclusive · May 31, 2010

SeamasterPG said:
About the plans for this case, if that's the case, why bringing a scrap prototype then?

You're right about the prototype, it's not much too look at.

Omerta · May 31, 2010

SeamasterPG said:
Well, i now my english is real bad (sorry about that), so let me be cristal clear: I've never said the FT02 was made of plastic, i've one (and 2 TJ03).What i did said was that the new Silvertone caseS, in general, look and are cheap cases with big price tags, some of the new models, not the FT02, living aside the left mobo tray and the 90º thing, it's a nice case.
About the plans for this case, if that's the case, why bringing a scrap prototype then?

Yes you did. You compared it to the older TJ series and then said it has the same price even though it has more plastic parts.

Again, where did i said that the FT02 have mayor plastic parts? Maybe it's a tank, but the interior on the silver version is cheap, look the shiny steel finish on other TJ models like the ones i've mentioned, that's a - in quality in comparison.
I don't care mucho about Lian Li, but i still remember the old times when CoolerMaster made cases like SilverStone used to, i don't see innovation when you mix two different cases, anybody can do that.

Sure you said "now look at the FT02, and all the new plastic models they have with the same kind of price tag." You worded it as the FT02 being the model for all the plastic models that they are churning out.

And even at that, I do not understand your comparison. So the TJ series motherboard tray is of better quality compared to the silver ft02's quality because its shiny? That's pretty ridiculous dude. I did not know shiny equaled quality.

And what's wrong with using features from other cases in a newer case? If an older case has a great new design element, there's absolutely nothing wrong with using it in a new case. Based on what I'm seeing, it looks like the TJ11 will be a good case for BOTH air cooling and water cooling, which is a plus. The TJ07 is not good for both and neither is the 800D. Taking the rotated motherboard feature of the ft02/RV02/RV01 is what will allow it to be good for water-cooling and air-cooling.

SeamasterPG · May 31, 2010

Omerta said:
Yes you did. You compared it to the older TJ series and then said it has the same price even though it has more plastic parts.

Sure you said "now look at the FT02, and all the new plastic models they have with the same kind of price tag." You worded it as the FT02 being the model for all the plastic models that they are churning out.

And even at that, I do not understand your comparison. So the TJ series motherboard tray is of better quality compared to the silver ft02's quality because its shiny? That's pretty ridiculous dude. I did not know shiny equaled quality.

And what's wrong with using features from other cases in a newer case? If an older case has a great new design element, there's absolutely nothing wrong with using it in a new case. Based on what I'm seeing, it looks like the TJ11 will be a good case for BOTH air cooling and water cooling, which is a plus. The TJ07 is not good for both and neither is the 800D. Taking the rotated motherboard feature of the ft02/RV02/RV01 is what will allow it to be good for water-cooling and air-cooling.

Like i said, my english isn't good enough.
For me this case is like American Chopper bikes, they're ok, but in every episode they said "this is something we never done before, it's an innovation", and the result: the same thing with another color...

Omerta · May 31, 2010

SeamasterPG said:
Like i said, my english isn't good enough.
For me this case is like American Chopper bikes, they're ok, but in every episode they said "this is something we never done before, it's an innovation", and the result: the same thing with another color...

Ok so if you don't like what they have done, (which we can't frankly did not a very good view of yet) what would you like to be done instead?

SeamasterPG · May 31, 2010

Omerta said:
Ok so if you don't like what they have done, (which we can't frankly did not a very good view of yet) what would you like to be done instead?

That's the thing here, they haven't done nothing yet.Let's call that for what it is: a scrap prototype which looks like the Frankenstein of cases, a piece of RV02, a piece of FT02 and some TJ07, nothing more! That's not innovation, and if you're talking about the left side/90º rotation, ok, but it's old news too.Where is the new design here?
It's very funny (sorry, sad) to hear the guy said how they made that thing and then, remember they're "developing" this thing since last year, can you believe that? And then, this is what they present, with at least 6 month for development and the experience SilverStone have in this area? I can't buy it...doen't sound true.
IMO, if you are far from send the product to the production line, what are you doing showing this?
Different is the case of the new Raven RV02-E, that's a very well done prototype, that's a prototype, no innovation yes, but with a nice upgrade from the old version.
You are very right when you said we haven't a good view, but what we do have it's a good idea of the size of the thing:
9 - 5 1/4 bays
2 - 3 HDD bays.
90º PSU @ bottom.
And that's very much like the pic i posted.The size, not the looks of the front and top of the case.
Do you work at SilverStone...? Kidding

...I just give my opinion about that "prototype", which is that's not innovative, just a blend from varius models, some good ideas, some realy bad (again, IMHO), and the innovative part, no way.
I'm not a case designer and my drawing skills well, are inexistent, but if i want a good WC case (with a couples of minutes to think about it and NO experience in the area), maybe this is the way (TJ07 like), or a longer case to place a rad (4 x 120?) at the top, with a 180 fan in the front and the psu at the bottom, with no left/90º thing and every intake fan with dust filter! But, i don't work at SilverStone, and my job isn't the development of computer cases, that's why i'm pis....off with SilverStone, that's the best they can do? A blend? A scrap prototype?
If you like the case, i'm glad for you! But just call the thing for what it is, a scrap/mix of models...

ps.: The FT02 is a good case, but it's not a TANK, the Soldan Windy, that's a tank which the quality of a Rolls Royce Silver Ghost, and several of it's models from them are truelly innovative.

Omerta · May 31, 2010

SeamasterPG said:
That's the thing here, they haven't done nothing yet.Let's call that for what it is: a scrap prototype which looks like the Frankenstein of cases, a piece of RV02, a piece of FT02 and some TJ07, nothing more! That's not innovation, and if you're talking about the left side/90º rotation, ok, but it's old news too.Where is the new design here?
It's very funny (sorry, sad) to hear the guy said how they made that thing and then, remember they're "developing" this thing since last year, can you believe that? And then, this is what they present, with at least 6 month for development and the experience SilverStone have in this area? I can't buy it...doen't sound true.
IMO, if you are far from send the product to the production line, what are you doing showing this?
Different is the case of the new Raven RV02-E, that's a very well done prototype, that's a prototype, no innovation yes, but with a nice upgrade from the old version.
You are very right when you said we haven't a good view, but what we do have it's a good idea of the size of the thing:
9 - 5 1/4 bays
2 - 3 HDD bays.
90º PSU @ bottom.
And that's very much like the pic i posted.The size, not the looks of the front and top of the case.
Do you work at SilverStone...? Kidding...I just give my opinion about that "prototype", which is that's not innovative, just a blend from varius models, some good ideas, some realy bad (again, IMHO), and the innovative part, no way.
I'm not a case designer and my drawing skills well, are inexistent, but if i want a good WC case (with a couples of minutes to think about it and NO experience in the area), maybe this is the way (TJ07 like), or a longer case to place a rad (4 x 120?) at the top, with a 180 fan in the front and the psu at the bottom, with no left/90º thing and every intake fan with dust filter! But, i don't work at SilverStone, and my job isn't the development of computer cases, that's why i'm pis....off with SilverStone, that's the best they can do? A blend? A scrap prototype?
If you like the case, i'm glad for you! But just call the thing for what it is, a scrap/mix of models...

ps.: The FT02 is a good case, but it's not a TANK, the Soldan Windy, that's a tank which the quality of a Rolls Royce Silver Ghost, and several of it's models from them are truelly innovative.

So it's a frankenstein case because it's using the rotated motherboard feature of the FT02/RV02 while also providing the room for watercooling? Most people who bought the tj07 bought it to watercool, but now people will actually have a choice. I'd say that's pretty cool. In the end, it's a case to hold your stuff. It's not something that is going to clean your carpet and cook you lunch.

Even saying I work for silverstone as a joke is unwarranted. I just feel as if I have to reply to what you're saying because it's not really anything solid.

It's hilarious, you're saying it isn't innovative at all, yet all the proposed features you just given for the TJ11 have been done before. I'm guessing your version of the case would be a "frankenstein" case, too. Actually your proposed ideas sounds like a haf 932 minus the ability for a quad rad (which very few people use). The design your talking about is even OLDER than the rotated motherboard design silverstone is using. The FT02 has fan filters on all the intakes and so would the tj07. If something works well from a previous design, you use it.

And how can you say the FT02 isn't a tank when you've never even used it? You can't just make statements like that without seeing the case. The windy cases? Come on. They have the same features as cases from 2000. Same internal layout as cases from 2000. And there is no way its external frame is as strong as the FT02's seeing as it doesn't use unibody construction.

Salavat23 · May 31, 2010

SeamasterPG said:
ps.: The FT02 is a good case, but it's not a TANK, the Soldan Windy, that's a tank which the quality of a Rolls Royce Silver Ghost, and several of it's models from them are truelly innovative.

The Soldan Windy is a near paper thin colored aluminum sheet metal case. It can't hold a candle to many of the steel/aluminum cases out there.

This new TJ11 is fantastic. Looks about the same width and length, but it is packing 9 5.25" drive bays. That's a great solution for those out there who take out the bottom drive bays to put in radiators, yet still want lots of HDD storage. Those going with more extreme WC setups can stick a decent sized radiator up front, behind the drivebays.

If you are bashing the case left right and center, then either you fail to see the potential in it, or the case is simply out of your league.

And how can you judge Silverstone on innovation? Look at similar full-tower cases in the TJ07's category (CM 840, Lian Li V2010, 800D). You'll see that the design elements integrated into the TJ11, even if they were borrowed from other cases in Silverstone's line-up, are unheard of in similar products to the TJ11.

SeamasterPG · May 31, 2010

Omerta said:
So it's a frankenstein case because it's using the rotated motherboard feature of the FT02/RV02 while also providing the room for watercooling? Most people who bought the tj07 bought it to watercool, but now people will actually have a choice. I'd say that's pretty cool. In the end, it's a case to hold your stuff. It's not something that is going to clean your carpet and cook you lunch.

Have you ever read the novel? It's the same thing here, instead of human parts, the case was made of several parts from several case models, just that! Yes yes, i know...it's just a preproduction model...
You also had the choice with the TJ07, if you wanted to use air cooling, you could.

Omerta said:
Even saying I work for silverstone as a joke is unwarranted. I just feel as if I have to reply to what you're saying because it's not really anything solid.

You don't have to if you don't want, i don't care, i've just expressed my opinion, you expressed yours, period.

Omerta said:
It's hilarious, you're saying it isn't innovative at all, yet all the proposed features you just given for the TJ11 have been done before.

Where is the innovation? I know the meaning of the word, and here can't be applied.
When/Where did i said my ideas were innovative? Can you quote me that...? Come on, be serious!
The fact is i used 2 minutes to think what'd i like to see in a case and i'm not a computer case designer, you can't compare...now, give me 6 months to come up with a design, give some designer and a factory like the SilverStone, then we could talk about...
So, can you show me where's the innovation here? In the design we saw in that video, where's that function never seen before in a computer case...?

Omerta said:
I'm guessing your version of the case would be a "frankenstein" case, too.

I've never said different, did i? And again, this is not my job!!!

Omerta said:
Actually your proposed ideas sounds like a haf 932 minus the ability for a quad rad (which very few people use)

Very few people uses water cooling compared with air cooling...so...
I could also sound like another version of TJ03/09/10, so? Where's the problem if i have never said my idea was innovative?

Omerta said:
The design your talking about is even OLDER than the rotated motherboard design silverstone is using. The FT02 has fan filters on all the intakes and so would the tj07. If something works well from a previous design, you use it.

So? Rotated mobo tray isn't new, so stop calling it innovation and new when it's old news! When they presented, it was, not anymore.
The TJ07 don't have filter, if you have them, it's because you adapted them.How many models from SilverStone have fan filters, current models?

Omerta said:
And how can you say the FT02 isn't a tank when you've never even used it? You can't just make statements like that without seeing the case. The windy cases? Come on. They have the same features as cases from 2000. Same internal layout as cases from 2000. And there is no way its external frame is as strong as the FT02's seeing as it doesn't use unibody construction.

First of all, how can you make statements when you haven't read what i said...?

SeamasterPG said:
Well, i (k)now my english is real bad (sorry about that), so let me be cristal clear: I've never said the FT02 was made of plastic, i've one (and 2 TJ03).

I have one FT02 (which have some plastic parts in the top) and two TJ03, better now? Is it more clear to understand?
Have you ever used/owned a Windy? I did...
Have you ever made experiments at a lab to backed up those statementes about unibody strengh? Remember, it's a computer case, not a Ferrari's chassis...
Have a nice day, goodbye!

SeamasterPG · May 31, 2010

Salavat23 said:
The Soldan Windy is a near paper thin colored aluminum sheet metal case. It can't hold a candle to many of the steel/aluminum cases out there.

LOL, if you said so...

Salavat23 said:
This new TJ11 is fantastic. Looks about the same width and length, but it is packing 9 5.25" drive bays. That's a great solution for those out there who take out the bottom drive bays to put in radiators, yet still want lots of HDD storage. Those going with more extreme WC setups can stick a decent sized radiator up front, behind the drivebays.

That's just your opinion, everyone have one.
For me, a computer case is like any other tool, you need the right one to get the job done.If you want an extreme WC, maybe this is the case for you, but i have nothing really new on it's design, it's like the RV02-E, a little lifting.

Salavat23 said:
If you are bashing the case left right and center, then either you fail to see the potential in it, or the case is simply out of your league.

Well, where i live i have to paid U$S 700 for a SilverStone case, and i did, 3 times...It have potential for a certain type of user, not for everybody.You can't make a case and expect to be the best case for every kind of user in the market, it's like saying a certain kind of car it's the best.

Salavat23 said:
And how can you judge Silverstone on innovation? Look at similar full-tower cases in the TJ07's category (CM 840, Lian Li V2010, 800D). You'll see that the design elements integrated into the TJ11, even if they were borrowed from other cases in Silverstone's line-up, are unheard of in similar products to the TJ11.

I've said THIS CASE, the TJ11, is far away to be called innovative.

Omerta · May 31, 2010

SeamasterPG said:
Have you ever read the novel? It's the same thing here, instead of human parts, the case was made of several parts from several case models, just that! Yes yes, i know...it's just a preproduction model...
You also had the choice with the TJ07, if you wanted to use air cooling, you could.

Ok everything is made out of parts. What's your point? When Lian Li takes their tool-less PCI slots that were originally on the B70 (i believe not sure) and puts them on another case, does that make that case a Frankenstein case? When Intel uses certain architectural design elements that were in the past processors in a new processor because those past elements worked well and a better solution has yet to be found, does that make their CPU a "frankenstein" cpu? You're really not making a good point here.

And yes, you could use the TJ07 for aircooling if you wanted high temps. Most people bought it for watercooling because of that, and I thought you already knew that.

Where is the innovation? I know the meaning of the word, and here can't be applied.
When/Where did i said my ideas were innovative? Can you quote me that...? Come on, be serious!
The fact is i used 2 minutes to think what'd i like to see in a case and i'm not a computer case designer, you can't compare...now, give me 6 months to come up with a design, give some designer and a factory like the SilverStone, then we could talk about...
So, can you show me where's the innovation here? In the design we saw in that video, where's that function never seen before in a computer case...?

So if you, just like you admitted, can't tell me what would be innovative, who are you to judge what IS innovative? That's what I was trying to get at. Sure they're using the rotated motherboard design, but that is because it has proven to be a good design for air-cooling (especially for GPUS)
without the added noise. I'd actually be MAD if they did not use it.

The case is innovative in the sense that it looks to be good for air-cooling and water-cooling while still remaining quiet and not annoying on the air-cooling side. Take the HAF 932, for example. It's good for both but the front mesh just gets so dusty and it makes the case look really ugly without constant cleaning. The Tj11 won't have that problem. Another case without a front intake is the 800D and it isn't up to par when it comes to air-cooling because of the lack of such. So you won't get the annoying dusty front panel mesh, but you also sacrifice air-cooling. The Tj11 is able to bypass this with the rotated motherboard tray design and provide a good case for air-cooling and water-cooling at the same time, and I like that.

So? Rotated mobo tray isn't new, so stop calling it innovation and new when it's old news! When they presented, it was, not anymore.

Ok? Where'd I'd call it an innovation? And even besides that, what's the problem with using it if it has proven to provide superior cooling? Would you like them to rotate the motherboard tray so it faces the moon? If something works well and something better hasn't been found, you use the proven design. And in the end, it's a computer case with limited space and you are limited in what you can do.

The TJ07 don't have filter, if you have them, it's because you adapted them.How many models from SilverStone have fan filters, current models?

Ok, so? What are you trying to say? The tj07 came out during a time when having fan filters stock on a case was rare. Now all most of Silverstone's newest models have fan filters. So? It's called keeping up with the times.

I have one FT02 (which have some plastic parts in the top) and two TJ03, better now? Is it more clear to understand?
Have you ever used/owned a Windy? I did...
Have you ever made experiments at a lab to backed up those statementes about unibody strengh? Remember, it's a computer case, not a Ferrari's chassis...
Have a nice day, goodbye!

Never owned a windy and don't need to. No one has done lab experiments here. Not me or you. So don't bring up pretentious bullshit on lab experiments. It's common knowledge that aluminum in unibody construction is more sturdy than aluminum without unibody construction. That's why the new macbook pros are more durable than their older aluminum versions, and it's why the ft01/tj07/ft02 feel like tanks when compared to a Lian Li without unibody construction.

And what does a Ferrari have to do with anything?

Salavat23 · May 31, 2010

SeamasterPG said:
LOL, if you said so...

A high price doesn't make it "TANK" as you proclaim. Its a high quality case, but it isn't up to par with the structural rigidity of many of the Silverstone/Lian Li unibody cases.

SeamasterPG said:
That's just your opinion, everyone have one.
For me, a computer case is like any other tool, you need the right one to get the job done.If you want an extreme WC, maybe this is the case for you, but i have nothing really new on it's design, it's like the RV02-E, a little lifting.

So according to you, why buy a Ferrari (any model)? Its basically a Honda Civic with a more powerful engine, different badge, and a different chassis and body.

Why buy a house? Its just an overrated, enlarged cardboard box made up of slightly higher quality materials.

SeamasterPG said:
Well, where i live i have to paid U$S 700 for a SilverStone case, and i did, 3 times...It have potential for a certain type of user, not for everybody.You can't make a case and expect to be the best case for every kind of user in the market, it's like saying a certain kind of car it's the best.

If everyone has a certain preference, then why are you blurting out biased comments that you are proclaiming as universal facts?

SeamasterPG said:
I've said THIS CASE, the TJ11, is far away to be called innovative.

Compare it to the competition. There is nothing quite like the TJ11 made by any other company in the same product class.

MomijiTMO · May 31, 2010

Salavat23 said:
Compare it to the competition. There is nothing quite like the TJ11 made by any other company in the same product class.

Well not yet. I'd expect Lian Li to have a rotated atx mount soon.

SeamasterPG · May 31, 2010

Omerta said:
Ok everything is made out of parts. What's your point? When Lian Li takes their tool-less PCI slots that were originally on the B70 (i believe not sure) and puts them on another case, does that make that case a Frankenstein case? When Intel uses certain architectural design elements that were in the past processors in a new processor because those past elements worked well and a better solution has yet to be found, does that make their CPU a "frankenstein" cpu? You're really not making a good point here.

Are we talking about SilverStone TJ11 here or about all other cases ever made? This particular case ISN'T INNOVATIVE.

Omerta said:
And yes, you could use the TJ07 for aircooling if you wanted high temps. Most people bought it for watercooling because of that, and I thought you already knew that.

I don't know what most of the people did, neither did you.

Omerta said:
So if you, just like you admitted, can't tell me what would be innovative, who are you to judge what IS innovative? That's what I was trying to get at. Sure they're using the rotated motherboard design, but that is because it has proven to be a good design for air-cooling (especially for GPUS)
without the added noise. I'd actually be MAD if they did not use it.

I've never admitted that, i said "When/Where did i said my ideas were innovative?", i spent 2 minutes before answering what'd i do in a case, 2 minutes against months from "development" from a mayor manufacturer, like i said before, give me 6 months to come up with a design, give some designer and a factory like the SilverStone, then we could talk about innovative ideas.
What's your problem with quotation? I'm the one with the english problem, not you...And by the way, thanks for answering:

Omerta said:
And how can you say the FT02 isn't a tank when you've never even used it? You can't just make statements like that without seeing the case. The windy cases? Come on. They have the same features as cases from 2000. Same internal layout as cases from 2000. And there is no way its external frame is as strong as the FT02's seeing as it doesn't use unibody construction.

SeamasterPG said:
Well, i (k)now my english is real bad (sorry about that), so let me be cristal clear: I've never said the FT02 was made of plastic, i've one (and 2 TJ03).

And i'm the one who states bs?

Omerta said:
The case is innovative in the sense that it looks to be good for air-cooling and water-cooling while still remaining quiet and not annoying on the air-cooling side. Take the HAF 932, for example. It's good for both but the front mesh just gets so dusty and it makes the case look really ugly without constant cleaning. The Tj11 won't have that problem. Another case without a front intake is the 800D and it isn't up to par when it comes to air-cooling because of the lack of such. So you won't get the annoying dusty front panel mesh, but you also sacrifice air-cooling. The Tj11 is able to bypass this with the rotated motherboard tray design and provide a good case for air-cooling and water-cooling at the same time, and I like that.

I don't care about HAF 932 or any other model for that matter, here we're talking about TJ11, and if it's something innovative or not, and it is not IMO, based on what i've think.
It's not the end of the world, you like it, good for you! It fits perfectly to you particular needs, much better then, but respect other people points of view man, and if you're going to quote somebody, first read what they said before and don't take it out from context.

Omerta said:
Ok? Where'd I'd call it an innovation? And even besides that, what's the problem with using it if it has proven to provide superior cooling? Would you like them to rotate the motherboard tray so it faces the moon? If something works well and something better hasn't been found, you use the proven design. And in the end, it's a computer case with limited space and you are limited in what you can do.

I never said you called it innovative, and my problem is with the left side thing and the excesive high of the case, but that's me, it has no use in my particular case.The rotated mobo it's a great feature, i couldn't agree more with you on that, but i'd prefer something more like the RV01, with the psu in the same place like the FT02 or RV02/02-E.

Omerta said:
Ok, so? What are you trying to say? The tj07 came out during a time when having fan filters stock on a case was rare. Now all most of Silverstone's newest models have fan filters. So? It's called keeping up with the times.

Errrr...TJ03 it's older and it has (strictly talking about SilverStone lineup), then the TJ07, TJ09/19 came and the didn't had, now the use filter again, so that's not keeping up with the times...
Thermaltake if you want another brand, also have filters in that time...

Omerta said:
Never owned a windy and don't need to. No one has done lab experiments here. Not me or you. So don't bring up pretentious bullshit on lab experiments. It's common knowledge that aluminum in unibody construction is more sturdy than aluminum without unibody construction. That's why the new macbook pros are more durable than their older aluminum versions, and it's why the ft01/tj07/ft02 feel like tanks when compared to a Lian Li without unibody construction.

I never state a FT02 is stronger than a Windy, you did.
I'm not being pretentious, but, if you are going to keep making statements like that (like you said to me before, even when you didn't read what i said...), it'd better to have some proof...otherwise the bullshit is on your side.
Common knowledge, ok...let's see, are you talking about the exact same kind of aluminium? They're different variations on any metal.Is it the same size the panels? There are a lot of factors to consider if somethig is stronger than other, and there's nothing pretentious on that, it's just the way things are!

Omerta said:
And what does a Ferrari have to do with anything?

Easy, the Ferrari unibodi chassis are stronger than standard chassis, but the same principle can't be applied to computer cases!

Salavat23 said:
A high price doesn't make it "TANK" as you proclaim. Its a high quality case, but it isn't up to par with the structural rigidity of many of the Silverstone/Lian Li unibody cases.

Who said anything about the price?

Salavat23 said:
So according to you, why buy a Ferrari (any model)? Its basically a Honda Civic with a more powerful engine, different badge, and a different chassis and body.
Why buy a house? Its just an overrated, enlarged cardboard box made up of slightly higher quality materials.

Taking out of context...good for you! If you need an explanation...

Salavat23 said:
If everyone has a certain preference, then why are you blurting out biased comments that you are proclaiming as universal facts?

I've just post a pic and said what i think about the case we saw on the video, is that a problem? Is the Hard[Chavez]@Venezuela and you can't said anything which bothers you?

Salavat23 said:
Compare it to the competition. There is nothing quite like the TJ11 made by any other company in the same product class.

True, but that doens't make it great of to have the same impact the TJ07 had when it was presented.

My opinion about this case is very clear and i have my arguments to support it.If you like/agree with it good, if not, so be it, after all, this is a forum when you can say whatever you want about a product (if you treat other members with respect, of course), and that's what i did.
Chaucito!

Salavat23 · May 31, 2010

SeamasterPG said:
Who said anything about the price?

Discussion about Windy cases implies the price.

SeamasterPG said:
Taking out of context...good for you! If you need an explanation...

I'm taking your exaggerations and putting them into context through the use of analogies.

SeamasterPG said:
True, but that doens't make it great of to have the same impact the TJ07 had when it was presented.

I think that you're overestimating the impact of the TJ07. Just before the TJ07 was released, the Lian Li V2000 was came out and they were both very tough competitors to each other, similar in features and price. Unibody construction wasn't new at that time, but it brought a new twist to the market by using aluminum. Today, there isn't a single case like the TJ11 with an inverted board layout in a full-size case form factor.

WorldExclusive · May 31, 2010

Silverstone knows that all of their fans asked for a FT02 like TJ07. Looks like SS is going to deliver on that. The prototype is a basic concept of the case. They are trying to get an idea of how all of these parts will work together. It takes up to 2yrs. to bring a case to market and they are only 6 months into it. We all know the SS will not roll out a POS in few months so getting all worked up over a spliced case makes no sense. The important info here is that the TJ11 is in development and will have great air/water cooling potential.

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