2005FPW backlight issue fixed?

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I ordered my 2005fpw around december 28th and it had bad bleeding in the top right and bottem left corners. I called and they said "the backlight bleeding was a known issue and has been fixed" I asked what they ment and they said as of this month all their new 2005fpws should no longer have this problem, and they would be shipping me one of these new models.

I'll update in a few days when my new one shows up, but if its true (and this guy seemed to know his stuff) the 2005 will be the awesome monitor it should have allways been.
 
I got my 2005 that I ordered about a week ago delivered today. I'll try and remember to update this thread with how it looks.

Edit - Ok, got it setup earlier tonight. It's a revision A03 made in November 05. I have one dead pixel in the bottom right corner, but it is very, very hard to notice it. As far as backlight issues, it looks pretty uniform all around. The left side may be a little brighter than the right. I'll have to look at some of the photos people posted and compare. So far, I would say it's a keeper.
 
Update, got my new monitor. Its RevA03 December, and its PERFECT. I'll take some pictures when I get my digicam working, but so far its got zero backlight bleed and zero dead pixels and its been running all day. :cool: :cool: :cool:
 
i have the 02 revision, it does have some backlight bleeding but seriously i dont know why people complain i cant notice it unless its on a pure black screen in a dark room.
 
I would really appreciate some pictures. I haven't seen a Dell lcd with perfect backlighting EVER. I've had 3 2001fps and I would actually consider a 2005 if they fixed this. It would go very well with an intel imac. :p
 
when my room mate gets home I'll grab his cam and snap some shots. Theres still no bleed and its been on all day. :eek:
 
Well, I guess since we are not using these for medical imaging and not paying $3K-4K+ for them the little bleed will be OK.

I am ready to buy a widescreen but it looks as all of the 20 inchers have issues? And I would rather spend less than drop the $100-$200 more on the Gateway. I considering waiting for the new ones to come out but I doubt they will be cheaper than a 2005fpw on sale. (And I am sure there will be issues...) So, maybe the time is right given the fixed backlight issue, the $25% off, and the $35 off $300 ebay coupon, etc.....did I miss anything? I might order today?
 
 
I'm getting a 2005fpw in the next few days, so if its a new version, I'll report if theres any issues or anything.
 
I just got 3 2005fpws and they have a perfectly smooth backlight as far as I can tell. They also have no dead pixels and are much better than I could have hoped. I was honestly surprised by how good the black level was, I guess we can thank competition for that.
 
nhissan said:
look here a 2005 fpw without any blacklight ;)
http://forum.hardware.fr/hardwarefr...klight-Dell-2005FPW-methode-sujet-23542-1.htm
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Is the bezel the problem?

Edit: I translated the page and I see that the bezel is the issue. That makes sense. Shame on dell for such poor design. I've had 3 2001fps all with pretty bad backlight bleeding, and I really don't want to rip apart my monitor. :(
 
Small update after having used it for awhile now. The only real problem with backlight bleeding is in the bottom left corner, it is pretty noticeable if I don't sit even with the monitor (or even a little lower than the center of the screen). I only really notice it in black things and I'm still deciding if I want to risk getting another.

Also, the dead pixel I thought I had might actually be a speck of dust behind the screen. Either way, the monitor is excellent in that regard.
 
I received a Dell 2005FPW on Monday and although I haven't noticed any stuck pixels, I've noticed two other problems. First is the backlighting. The bleeding on the edges and corners is highly noticable on dark backgrounds or games. Quite honestly, I could live with it, but I've also noticed the "screen door" effect on this panel as well. Does anyone know if this effect is an issue inherent with the type of panel that is used in this monitor, if it is a manufacturing defect, or if there is any sort of fix? The backlighting doesn't bother me near as much as the screen door/mesh problem but I will be ordering a replacement for this display to try and resolve the two issues.

Thanks in advance.
 
Vertigo528 said:
I received a Dell 2005FPW on Monday and although I haven't noticed any stuck pixels, I've noticed two other problems. First is the backlighting. The bleeding on the edges and corners is highly noticable on dark backgrounds or games. Quite honestly, I could live with it, but I've also noticed the "screen door" effect on this panel as well. Does anyone know if this effect is an issue inherent with the type of panel that is used in this monitor, if it is a manufacturing defect, or if there is any sort of fix? The backlighting doesn't bother me near as much as the screen door/mesh problem but I will be ordering a replacement for this display to try and resolve the two issues.

Thanks in advance.
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you know ive always wondered if the 2005fpw had that screen door effect being that my school has the 2005fp, and ive been wondering before i buy it anytime soon, if the 2005fpw is gonna be the same crap. NO ONE HAS EVER ANWERED ME that question if it does have that screen door effect. im on a samsung 17" and im really used to the no screen door effect but dont want to pay the samsung price for a newer 20" :(
 
Yes, the 2005FPW does indeed have the screen door effect - I'm thinking of returning mine because my previous LCD didn't have this problem and it bothers me quite a bit.
 
xtremeness said:
Yes, the 2005FPW does indeed have the screen door effect - I'm thinking of returning mine because my previous LCD didn't have this problem and it bothers me quite a bit.
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Do they all have this and some individuals just don't notice it, while it drives others insane? If my replacement exhibits the same symptoms, I may return it. I'm assuming there is no fix and this is an attribute of the panel used in this display. If that is incorrect please correct me.
 
Vertigo528 said:
Do they all have this and some individuals just don't notice it, while it drives others insane? If my replacement exhibits the same symptoms, I may return it. I'm assuming there is no fix and this is an attribute of the panel used in this display. If that is incorrenct please correct me.
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I'm pretty sure it's a problem with all the 2005fpw monitors, but most people don't notice it either because they don't know what it is or they haven't used a LCD or any monitor without the screen door effect - so they're used to it. For me, it's very irritating and it's enough of an issue to make me return it.
 
xtremeness said:
I'm pretty sure it's a problem with all the 2005fpw monitors, but most people don't notice it either because they don't know what it is or they haven't used a LCD or any monitor without the screen door effect - so they're used to it. For me, it's very irritating and it's enough of an issue to make me return it.
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bah crap, ill shop around more then
thank you for confiming this :(
 
I just got mine today and it definately has some serious bleed issues. Lower left, lower right and the upper right. On the phone with Dell trying to explain the problem and get an RMA for another one. A03 - Jan. 2006

Other than the back light bleed issues, pretty sweet little monitor.

-Flake
 
PornFlake said:
I just got mine today and it definately has some serious bleed issues. Lower left, lower right and the upper right. On the phone with Dell trying to explain the problem and get an RMA for another one. A03 - Jan. 2006

Other than the back light bleed issues, pretty sweet little monitor.

-Flake
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I have the same backlight issues as you; I was surprised that when I talked to 3 different techs that no one was familiar with the issue. A03 DEC 2005.

Did you notice the screen door effect at all?
 
Vertigo528 said:
I have the same backlight issues as you; I was surprised that when I talked to 3 different techs that no one was familiar with the issue. A03 DEC 2005.

Did you notice the screen door effect at all?
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It took me 58 minutes to finally get an RMA. I agree, the tech had no clue as to what a backlight issue is/was.

Not sure I want to know what to look for with regard to the "screen door effect". :) The only problem I can "see" is the backlight issue. Otherwise it looks great to me.

-Funk
 
None of the 3 screens I received have baklight issues, but I can see the screen door effect a bit. It is not obvious to me except on a white background. Even then it is not terrible, I think it is actually from the anti-glare coating though and not the traditional cause.
 
Here is a picture of my nebula. Purdy, ain't it.

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And to top it off, after playing some BF2 I can see the "screen door" effect you guys are talking about.

Damn, this is one hosed monitor.

I am trying to love WS but this is a bad first experience.

-Funk
 
xtremeness said:
I'm pretty sure it's a problem with all the 2005fpw monitors, but most people don't notice it either because they don't know what it is or they haven't used a LCD or any monitor without the screen door effect - so they're used to it. For me, it's very irritating and it's enough of an issue to make me return it.
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unless i get 3 inches away from my monitor everything is very smooth and fluid looks like im looking at a picture, no screen door for me
 
Is this "screen door effect" you guys are seeing have to do with the dot-pitch and the amount of pixels? I think I know what you guys are talking about, but I don't think there is much of a way to avoid it unless we get some uber-low dot-pitch and/or more pixels in the same space.
 
XMonkey-v2.0 said:
Is this "screen door effect" you guys are seeing have to do with the dot-pitch and the amount of pixels? I think I know what you guys are talking about, but I don't think there is much of a way to avoid it unless we get some uber-low dot-pitch and/or more pixels in the same space.
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In Windows I hardly notice it at all, but playing games like Call of Duty 2 it's ridiculous. Especially when there's large amounts of smoke or snow on the screen. It was the worst while following tanks that were kicking up sand and dust. It's sort of difficult to explain what it looks like if you don't notice it. If you don't notice it, you don't want to, hehe.
 
Hi Guys, I thought I was the only one with a screen bleeding problem but after looking at the above monitor.....Holy Christ...Why the hell you didn't send it back?...I mean how can you live with that? Dell has ripped you off with a crappy monitor man...

Anyways I'm tagging some pics of my dell 2005FPW...Does my screen look alright just give me points 1-10...10 being the best.
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Equinox: kind of tough to say with the lighting in your room, but I'd give it a 6. There appears to be bleeding in the bottom right as well as the left half of the screen.

I got my 2005 on Monday. It's a January 2006 A03, and has bad bleeding in the bottom left and right. My roommate got his yesterday, also a January A03 which has bad bleeding in all 4 corners. I'd give mine a 7 and his a 6.

So I'd say they have yet to fix the problem. Mine is going back, he is going to wait to see how my replacement turns out.
 
I should also add that there are no stuck or dead pixels on either monitor, and black levels are very nice, much better than I expected. Ghosting is nonexistent as well, I was worried about this since it's my first LCD.

Now, if they could only get rid of the blacklight bleeding, I would absolutely love this monitor. As it is, it's more than I am willing to put up with. The link from the French site pretty much proves it's a manufacturing defect, and if it can be fixed with masking tape why the hell can't Dell fix the problem?
 
You got that one right...They've been making LCD monitor for bloody ages and still cant get it right...I guess it's because Apple's 20" Display uses the superior brand of LCD's from Sharp and dell uses the lower quality displays I think that's why dell sells them so cheap next time it's Apple for me:). I wish Apple would make their displays in black same as the iPod...Man that'll be so cool :D
Well my display doesn't show any bleeding when it displays colours...I mean while playing games and editing pictures and that sort of stuff...but ever since I got it there seems to be a fine (Unnoticeable) spary of pixels shining in strong different colours and the top left and bottom right when I turn on the display without switching on the computer...
though you can't see it from even a distance of 1 1/2 feet should I be concerned about this...I mean would it damage the surrounding pixels? :(
 
Equinox4x said:
You got that one right...They've been making LCD monitor for bloody ages and still cant get it right...I guess it's because Apple's 20" Display uses the superior brand of LCD's from Sharp and dell uses the lower quality displays I think that's why dell sells them so cheap next time it's Apple for me:). I wish Apple would make their displays in black same as the iPod...Man that'll be so cool :D
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you realize the Dell 2005 and the Apple 20" LCD use the exact same panel right?

the only difference is the case and the backlight.
 
HighwayAssassins if that was true then why Apple hasn't apple got as much complains about the displays then dell has... I mean I cant even find one bad review about Apple's displays on the web...their monitors are so perfect...I know they only have one DVI/USB and Power cord but who cares about S-video, VGA and fancy speaker mounts under the display...All people want is a nice, clean, dead-pixel-free, without any defects, crisp display...and we do pay for quality so why sell us this crap? :mad:
 
Equinox4x said:
HighwayAssassins if that was true then why Apple hasn't apple got as much complains about the displays then dell has... I mean I cant even find one bad review about Apple's displays on the web...their monitors are so perfect...I know they only have one DVI/USB and Power cord but who cares about S-video, VGA and fancy speaker mounts under the display...All people want is a nice, clean, dead-pixel-free, without any defects, crisp display...and we do pay for quality so why sell us this crap? :mad:
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I just saw something the other day about how the case of the dell monitors is the root of the bleeding problem. Im not sure about that.

But I am sure that LG makes the 20.1 inch displays used in both.

anandtech said:
As unique as Apple's Cinema display might be in the world of 19" to 21" flat panel displays, it shares the same LG.Philips panel as the Dell UltraSharp 2005FPW. There happens to be only a single panel manufacturer capable/willing to mass produce wide screen, high resolution flat panel displays for the PC market. Since these two displays are so similar, we thought it only necessary to review both side by side. Several sources have claimed that the 2005FPW had numerous discoloration problems and generally poor image quality. Obviously, if one of our displays demonstrates imperfections, we would expect to see both displays to be flawed. However, the Dell and Apple displays utilize different backlights, so we are open to the thought that there will be some dissimilarities between the units. Let's take a closer look at our 20" displays.
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http://www.anandtech.com/displays/showdoc.aspx?i=2400&p=1
 
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