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I am becoming a fan of AMD's new RDNA architecture. And over the last 3 months I have found a good many sources, forums, & videos discussing AMD's new RDNA architecture. Many too technical for the average Joe, but informative non the less. And in personal review, I had not come across any...

I've already explained how "your math" and reality works. I've already explained all of this, and provided illustrations and even suggested that people learn the difference in scaling surface area by a magnitude -vs- multiplying numbers. (As someone just recently re-iterated graphically.) I've...

You are just white noise and I am putting you on ignore because you are unable to comprehend, nor willing to read people's full post. Please go back and read my last sentence in that post. You can't possible be this needy, can you? You didn't listen to the reasons Dr Su showed that chart...

Navi10 doesn't cost AMD as much as Vega, (if they were the same size it might, but Navi10 is much smaller than Vega10). And AMD are making mad killing on the 5700 series, because the 251mm^2 margins are so great. You will see evidence of this soon after the first of the year, when the sales data...

I am quoting this^ for posterity. You are tripping over yourself and hypocritical in your own logic. Arguing for the sake of it, or you misstated what you wanted to say...? Again, you are overly obsessed with that illustration I posted, but still don't even understand why I posted it. I...

Yet still support windows 7... I have one of my rigs still on Windows7. I upgraded from 7 Pro to 10 pro, then reverted back. Never bother to re-install Win10, it's a dual-booter anyways. If I had my choice, I would pay $1k for a multi-PC license for a modern version of Windows 98, or XP.

You are not doing your due diligence and are the one spreading mythical absurdities. You do not realize the "fixed cost" of 7nm node process, has diminished substantially by every tape out. TSMC's 7nm node is not new anymore. 7nm++ and 7nm EUVL is coming next year, with 5nm coming in 24 months...

FFS I know this. I was using that "wafer yield illustration" to illuminate how GPU dies are priced. And exactly how a GPU size, is factored into pricing, and thus, how AMD can use the advantage of 7nm and smaller chips to saturate the market & tilt the economic scale in their favor. Exactly...

Here are what is known, as wafer yields. Imagine the one on the left as the big TU-102 and the one on the right as Navi10. (Obviously those aren't exact, but close enough to where you will understand how size of GPU matter. Because AMD pays per wafer....not per chip. And so does Nvidia...

I have an idea... why don't you guys try and refute me..? Go ahead, do some research and find out much die space a 7nm Nvidia Turing GPU would be. Try and combat/debate/argue my facts, with your own counter facts. Instead of attacking the messenger. Because I laid out a whole bunch of fact...

Do you know what a wafer is..?

It seems math is magic for you? You are only putting words into your own mouth, because nobody said any such thing. It is really amazing that I am giving 5th grade lessons on PERCENTILES%

It was YOUR problem. The rest of the world already knows the relative costs of moving to a new node... it's been done througnout semi-conductor history. But now that you do know... you can't pretend not to understand anymore.

Ignoring? I just explained that you do not know wtf you are talking about, and the cost is already baked into the contract she signed, not into your GPU you buy. And that there is no 7nm wafer cost. You can try and refute me, but all your research will lead back to the facts I already...

:unsure: No my friend, we are talking about what happens when Nvidia transitions from 12nm to 7nm. And theoretically, if Nvidia's Turing was already at 7nm node size, instead of a 12nm node.... for illustrative purposed of how big it will be. And it seems you do not understand area scaling...

I am willing to discuss any of that.... have you tried to rebuttal me...? Dr Lisa Su signed the 7nm Wafer Contract with TSMC over 4 years ago at a cost estimated at over $1B. (A ballsy move and she stands proud of it now). And that is the cost of moving to 7nm. After you are up and running...

You are not aware of who I am, I am. So laugh all you want.... you are wrong! There are post histories my friend. With date stamps and time lines, etc. I can easily exposed many "lifers" here with endless single-track (single point) minds ... so narrow & shallow, they can not be real humans.

You should read every one of my posts then... You'll find, that You have already painted the wrong picture about me. You are already starting to character assassinate (ie: kill the messenger) instead of confront, or refuting what I posted. You posted 7 blathering post, to my 1. And you are...

Those are the facts. (y) You can no longer keep saying that Turing is better, when we have just established that Turing TU-106 NORMALIZED to 7nm, is still MUCH LARGER than Navi10's small size....! Why shun from facts? I was scaling Turing down to RDNA's node size to prove a point of logic and...

Don't forget, that all of that^ is only in defense of what I stated was the obvious, that RDNA and Navi10 is better architecture and has longer legs than the EOL Turing cards. And many took "offense" to that... and now have to come and admit, it was a fact and they are just interrupting threads...

Nobody cares about performance per watt... they care about performance per dollar...! (That is how Human's shop) Unless you are populating a datafarm & worried about $1m electric bill every month, then don't pretend to use a metric that does not matter to GAMERS. I suspect, that is why you are...

Yes, adults are using facts, to speculate. You can try and present your facts, but don't dismiss that we know what Navi10 is and does in games... and we know what Vega20 is and does in games, and both at 7nm.

We are still not back to CRT levels of Gaming.... there is such massive collusion in the panel market.

If RDNA efficiency is not in dispute, then why are you unable to compare it to Radeon 7..? Secondly, "efficiency" and "more performance per card" are two different metrics you keep mixing up, If the RTX2070 SUPER was 7nm, it would still be larger than even Vega64. You are not understanding...

Yes RTX is a hoax as it pertains to RTX-Turing. Ampere is a different card and will not use Turing's architecture. Turing is EOL. You know this yet went on a rampart long-hearted story about an Nvidia architecture... that is EOL. Turing is dead-end and Nvidia is not making any more Turing...

o_O ^^ The fact of the matter is there are more than one way to scale performance...! Dan, it seems you went the long way... to look past this simple fact. <-- It is known that GCN was bound, but RDNA is not... it is 100% scalable in many directions (smartphones incoming...) You are...

I think everybody already knows this. (AMD sales are through the roof!) Just hang out at any Microcenter for a few hours, you hear all the people snickering at the nvidia buyers. It is universally understood that people will wait at Microcenter the day of deliveries, to get their hands on...

Dan, do you understand RDNA's architecture... or how the CU's work, etc.. People make a living at speculating such things, but "big-navi".... and what it is ? Is not hard to speculate on. Matter of fact there is not much to speculate about. History has also taught us Dr Lisa Su has only been CEO...

I understand that. And that is EXACTLY what they want you to see. They want me to stoop to their level and defending myself and sling mud back at them. So they can attack my character more. Notice how they keep on me, but have no facts. They have disdain for me, because I mock them with facts...

I don't demonstrate bias. That is how far out of whack some people are. Because I don't care what brand, but if I am joining into this conversation of -VERSES- (in choosing either / or) then I will apply logic and reasoning, in combating those who are applying marketing speak. That simple^...

Not sure if you missed, it, but even the GTX cards and AMD have simple ray-tracing ability. You don't have to spend $100 more to get ad-hoc ray-tracing, when you can get equally bad (ie: gimped) ray-tracing without paying for it. Also, Nobody is hating on those who have a 2060 and use RT.... we...

I am sure Factum is going to be here shortly to explain to everyone how AMD got "RTX On" to work.... without paying the RTX tax... *sigh*

Shadow... How is it..? Did you try any of the blurbuster stuff..? Microcenter couldn't hold on to the few they had, they are getting more. But I am not going to pull the trigger until I see it's blur. TFT Central is mum about theirs so far...

That is your answer...? epic fail...

Sorry dude, I have a job and a career. Would you like to meet at a pub and discuss it..? All your attacks on me are fruitless. Funny how the (same) people attacking me, have no sense of money, or work, or anything logical... just keep coming at me with nvidioit trash. So I keep mocking them...

Stoly is that you? My $800 2080 barely pushed 3440x1440p @ 80 frames, so I need more power to push 4k. Funny how Nvidia wants me to spend $1400 on a GPU to play widescreen games (at consistent frames over 100Hz). The 2080 is entry level into 4k Gaming and is not worthwhile (buyer remorse)...

DLSS is exactly like RTX... a hoax.

Just so you know, there are integrated graphics that are CAPABLE of 4k... heck, my Raspberry Pi is capable of 4k graphics. So Stoly, did you buy your card yet? Did you get a new 4k monitor too..?

Do you buy a GPU based on how much power is uses, or how many frames it gives you...? I don't have a limit on how much my rig uses from the wall... thermals only matter when you have nothing else to talk about. Seems you are asking questions you already know the answer to. I am not scaling up...

Yep, thank you...! Now compare them to an aftermarket $499 Radeon 5700XT and a stock $499 RTX2070S..... The sheer fact that he chose an aftermarket 2070s completely dismisses the fact that these cards are $100 apart. And to make it "fair'er"... you should compare with the price being the close...