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:rolleyes: Riiiiight.

Looks are deceiving, as they say. Chrome actually has a significantly larger footprint than Firefox. In fact, Chrome's own developers are worried about the bloat in Chrome, and want to reduce it.

In what way? If you are relying on these "speed test" sites, they aren't exactly reliable. Yep. But that's the way it is for all browsers. Or all applications, even. One of the most common pieces of advice over at MozillaZine is to reset your profile if there are problems.

Why does anyone use Chrome? Why does anyone use Firefox? Could it be that people use the browser of their choice because they feel that it is the best choice for them? The worst kind of fanboy is the one that can't even fathom that anyone might have a different opinion from his... Are you...

Are you guys getting in or not?

This probably means that it's very powerful, but also very complex. So while you can do stuff faster, it probably takes a lot more knowledge and training. Hence, it is not necessarily a contradiction.

How is it possible for them to trademark a term that was in use long before the iPhone even existed?

Those of you who are getting invites, are you even able to sign up for G+? Seems they are throwing invites at people, but all you get is a brick wall when you try to log in to the service.

It seems impossible to get in. Even if someone invites you it just tells you that they have reached their signup limit. Kind of makes one wonder why they are giving out invites at all...

I'm not sure how this is relevant to what I wrote. I do not have the problems he is describing, and I have certainly not used any workarounds. If he is having these problems, that tells me that there is a problem on his end, because I certainly can't see them. And it's not like my Opera...

The current version of Opera is called 11.5, so it doesn't look like Opera is inflating the number like Chrome and Firefox. What? That's news to me. Source, please! Sounds like you have a broken installation. Have you scanned for viruses and malware lately?

Pages are far more sophisticated today than just a few years ago (and there are far more web standards and technologies to deal with). Browsers have to handle a lot more stuff (both input and output). There are highly complex calculations needed to figure out how all these advanced web...

You can't compare memory usage directly like that. It's like counting GHz or megapixels. It's a fallacy to count the GHz or megapixels and automatically conclude that whatever uses the least or most is better or worse. Different browsers use slightly different amounts of memory because their...

600 MB? And you have, what, 4 GB RAM?

Unlike Google and Microsoft, Opera does not have extremely deep pockets. There are certain limitations to being an independent browser vendor and not part of a major monopolist organization.

That doesn't make sense. Firefox is slower than both Opera and Chrome, while Opera and Chrome are just about tied.

http://my.opera.com/chooseopera/blog/2011/05/25/oprah-winfrey-we-will-miss-you

Opera's market share in the mobile browser market is 20-25%. After this guy stepped down as CEO, their growth has really accelerated, though.

Opera had more 200 million users (on desktop, mobiles and devices) last time I checked.

Opera Mobile has optional server-side compression (Opera Turbo, same as the desktop version). But using it on a fast network is a waste really.

Is a criminal who is convicted to a prison sentence "forced" to do time? What if he instead of doing prison time managed to convince the courts to allow him to do charity work? Would that mean he was forced to to charity work?

You have failed to show that Mozilla has become too big. How has it become too big, and why is it too big for its own good? Google is huge compared to Mozilla. I don't see you complaining about that.

Apart from extensions, what innovations did Firefox bring to the table? And what trends?

Yes, exactly. Google is huge. Mozilla is tiny. Claiming that "it's because Mozilla got big" is a bit silly, really. The point here is that you said that "it got big" and they "lost sight of what they do" even though Firefox 4 is the fastest Firefox yet. You call Firefox 4 bloated and slow, as...

It changes your point, because Microsoft wasn't "forced". Microsoft was caught breaking the law, and came up with a suggestion as a workaround to avoid the full punishment of the law.

They know they wouldn't be able to pwn it? :D

Big? Mozilla is microscopic compared to Google. How is Mozilla big in any shape or form? It's a tiny company compared to the tens out thousands of engineers at Google. Wat. Firefox 4 is faster than any version before it. Do you deny this?

Correction: It's in European versions of Windows, and it's because Microsoft was found guilty of breaking the law. To avoid fines and other nasty stuff, Microsoft themselves came up with the idea of this ballot screen.

Nope. That was a misquite. Opera never submitted it to the App Store. When they did, it was after they figured out that it doesn't violate the App Store terms of service. Furthermore, Apple is not a monopolist, unlike Microsoft. Nope. There was no such threat whatsoever. Opera Mini is on...

No, because Apple did not violate any competition laws with their desktop OS, AFAIK. Microsoft, however, did. No, Microsoft got slapped for engaging in anti-competitive practices. Merely bundling a browser is not anti-competitive in itself, but Microsoft abused its OS monopoly to undermine...

Lawsuit? Where did you get a weird idea like that?

Maybe, but the main reason is that there's no monopoly to promote it. IE has Microsoft, Firefox had Google, Chrome has Google now (notice how Firefox stalled when Google stopped promoting it, and started promoting Chrome instead?).

They did! That is, they tried. But they faced endless delays from Google, as they were unable to run Chrome smoothly on TVs. So it seems that they gave up on Google and Chrome, and chose Opera instead.

Opera also has something like 50-60 million desktop users.

They have not. In fact, they have even reported decreases in their user base at times (although this has always turned out to be a limited and temporary decrease due to seasonal variations and such). Why would Opera report a decrease in users if they were so full of shit? I think it is you...

I didn't say that all of them were on the desktop. I was talking about the total number of active users of Opera products, which also includes Opera Mini. Which one?

Oh, look! HBO wants to be taken out of business by BitTorrent.

Opera actually has more than 150 million active users worldwide. They are adding around 5 million new active users every month as well. Opera is huge on mobile, and in certain parts of the world, such as Eastern Europe.

Huh?

The point is that people don't pay attention to checkboxes and options, even if they are right in front of them. People will just click "ok, whatever" to get rid of the annoying dialog that's preventing them from using the application.