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There's gonna be no "next generation" in November. That's for sure. Not until the middle of the next year. There's a chance for a shrinked to 55nm version of the current tech. But that part is not gonna be a game changer by any means. IF we do see the 55nm SKU, it will only be marginally...

Yeah, sure! Wishful thinking. Check this out: http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/230097/has-nvidia-problem-hit-hp-desktops.html

http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c01514044&cc=us&%20dlc=en&lc=en&jumpid=reg_R1002_USEN http://www.nvidia.com/page/gpu_mobo.html "Some of these computers may not boot or may not display video. Computers experiencing either or both of these symptoms, attributable to the...

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Hopefully we'll see some great deals on the 4850 on around the "Black Friday".

:D:):cool:

Why are you wasting your money???:eek: Get some cheapo motherboard with the on-board graphics and call it a day. Spending extra on the motherboard and graphics card won't make your internet browsing or windows experience any "faster".

http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/39480/135/

Why would you even want to buy this power hungry 65nm monstrosity this time next year when the much cooler running and more powerful 45-40nm parts are available from both camps, at every price level??? :)

The retailers are not rewrapping the returns!!!!!! At least not knowingly.... Whoever puts the returned items back on the shelf does it AGAINST of the store policy. If the item has been previously returned, it MUST have some kinda sticker on the...

Shalov Stone Bonner & Rocco LLP has filed a securities fraud class action on behalf of all investors who purchased or otherwise acquired the common stock of NVIDIA Corp. (NASDAQ: NVDA) ("NVIDIA" or the "Company"), between November 8, 2007, and July 2, 2008, inclusive (the "Class Period"). The...

And I'm going to be buying a drag racer.......but am very concerned about the global warming. The Geo Metro should be a perfect choice....:)

The returned parts are not being resold as brand new (never opened)!!!

The returned cards can NOT be resold as new. It's HIGHLY illegal!

How many well travelled excecs are we talking about? ;) Hey, the reason I've gotten myself into this polemic only because of the general tone in this thread that everything Charlie writes about nVidia is a LIE. As far as I'm concerned, the guy is doing some great investigating work. Nvidia...

So, all of your business laptops run discrete GPUs? Yeah, right.

Again. Only LAPTOPS are being affected thanks to the much higher temperatures and much more frequent thermal cycles!!!!! Where's the LIE?

Yeah, here we go. Still trying to accuse me in being a fanATIc...:rolleyes Nvidia (and HP) try their best to hide the things for a reason. That's exactly why it's so hard to come up with the reports of the widespread failures. You should use your own brain cell to try to understand the...

LOL Calling me a fanATIc now? LOL You're asking for evidence? Isn't exactly what Charlie trying to uncover while nVidia is busy denying any wrongdoing and actually accusing its vendors as the source of its own screwups?

The fact is that tomshardware is a highly biased pro-Nvidia website. A nice try though. ;)

just stick around for a little longer and you'll find a deal on a 4850 within that range.

You all acting like everything he has written about the current nVidia problems is a product of his imagination. LOL and screw all the evidence from the unrelated sources, including the tanking stock.

What new products are you talking about?:rolleyes: The only "new" product in the nVidia's pipeline are the die shrinked GTX2XX series=no big price cuts for the current stuff.

It's the nVidia fanboys who should get off theirr cool-aid. Charlie has done a remarkable job investigating the case. No matter how much you guys want to paint him as a liar and lunatic, Charlie is clearly on something. http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/09/01/nv-should

Are you guys claiming that Charlie has become so powerful in his own ways to be able negatively affect nVidia? And if he has then not everything he writes about nVidia must be lies then. Don't act like mindless nVidia fanboys....Why is he getting under your skin? Lies are very easy to...

Why are you so concerned about nVidia's reputation??? Hmmm....

Yeah, that's the only excuse the fanboys can come up in defense of nVidia in this case. :rolleyes:

they sue cause they can. Thank the screwed up litigation system. The frivolous lawsuits are equally damaging to companies AND consumers.

Really? Care to elaborate? What drivers did you use, in what hardware configuration? btw, you definately sound like a fanboy hence my questions.

Couldn't be farther from reality. Evga is dumping inventory to clear up space for the newer (faster) product. In this business and with the amount of competition going on at the moment, the best thing you could ever do is to delay your purchase and hold on until you absolutely must get...

Oh, man... Speaking of fanboyism. :rolleyes:

Pretty good cooler and great price.

You can buy the hd 4870 for $250 (or even $230) after rebate now. :) http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2000380048%201305520549%20106792627%201067940678&bop=And&Order=PRICE http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=10008918

Was it this one, by chance? :) http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=10008918

Did you tell your fiancee about the purchase? ;)

No, they're very similar in performance. Don't pay attention to the specs. http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTU0NCw4LCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA== I'd go with the 4870 simply because I like the ATI drivers and their regular frequent updates. In addition I refuse to buy anything from nVidia...

Are you kidding? I don't quite understand your dilemma. Get the the 4870 if you can afford it and be done with it. btw, why do you even consider the outdated tech from nVidia instead of looking into its recent crop of cards...

See the post above.

You can roll eyes all you want... NOTHING beats the freshly installed OS. No driver cleaner out there will guarantee the complete removal of the drivers junk or registry integrity.

How about you skipping your own BS and misinformation (as in the 8800GT keeping up with the 4850, in general) and posting the benches yourself to prove your own point.:rolleyes: