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If you aren't already maxing out the 7700K in terms of threads, then the 2700/2700X is a side-grade at best. But for my use, I can game on one monitor and have a full 1080p youtube video playing on the other monitor with the Twitch App, Discord, OBS and X number of tasks all running in the...

I imagine this is what Juan is talking about, made it nice and easy to see since going back and re-reading posts is a pain. As I said, at least I don't know how much AMD charges for a non-consumer level part. Not that it matters though for most peoples needs, it's not like we determine if an...

Ok, sitting alone in a bar on your Blackberry.

To be fair, Intel went from Broadwell => Skylake with a very minor update as well.

Googling Juanrga is interesting, so do you just post on forums all day long, is this your job? Is it your mission in life to be called into question on more than 10 tech forums, trying to get some sort of achievement or something? Well, I wish you well in your job, hope Intel pays you well.

See, and there isn't all the questions about this or that, they tested on a motherboard that doesn't put a 10% negative impact on the CPU. If CPC just did this they wouldn't have all the questions, about their testing standards. Also isn't that higher than the jump from 6700 to 7700 though?

Ok, sources on the 'some people'. Are these real 'people' or just voices you thought you heard in 2016. As far as I know on this forum, no person has said they expected the Ryzen refresh to boost up to 4.8ghz, 12LP or not. From the quotes (albeit no sources with those) they seem like your...

No, that can't be, AMD must be omnipresent cheating.

The obvious answer is no. He can only speculate on performance and refer to other peoples work to relay information based on said work.

I guess it would have been easier to just include the results from the x370 and the x470 and the b350 and the b450 motherboards they totally tested when the published the article. Since they had the testing totally done, they could have used REAL numbers to show the differences and the ever...

So that 2600 is a retail chip, you said it was. But I guess that chip isn't a retail chip, so they didn't test only retail chips then? What other things are just different than what you say?

Remember AMD only tests retail chips (they don't make engineering samples anymore apparently) and that non 'R5' 2600 with no QR Code is absolutely a retail chip just because AMD likes to make just one CPU in their CPU line be absolutely different than the rest in the chips in the series.

So, CanardPC theorizes that they are justified in using the crappiest motherboard for testing because of "automatic omnipresent cheats" that boards designed for high core count chips may provide. They theorize that using a proper board will only give about a 1%-2% boost to the scores (i.e...

http://digiworthy.com/2017/12/19/aida64-ryzen-gen-2-cpus/ It appears that this website has seen evidence of the non-existent Pinnacle Ridge CPUs in December. What else we gonna make up Juan?

So where is the proof that AMD didn't test the Piunnacle Ridge CPU's, or is it just more made up 'facts'?

So a major line of chips from a manufacturer was not tested? Isn't an engineering sample used to test various stages of CPU development? So, you are saying that AMD hasn't tested the chips for an upcoming line of CPU's. Wait, what am I saying, of course they did because Juan says so.

So they will break NDA, use ES chips to signify retail chips, and have no discernible methodology to their testing. Sounds like they are just a click bait site, willing to circumvent the norms of the industry to put sensationalist information out on the net for little more than profit. This...

Ce qui implique que les CPU en question avaient leur Precision Boost désactivé, cette technologie n’étant que sur les cartes série 400. Cela ne change pas beaucoup les performances, 1 à 2% grand maximum, et ne change pas le ratio perf/conso en demi-teinte. This implies that the CPUs in question...

I hope Juan is paid by Intel because then it would explain a lot. Either way, partly because of Juan, Intel has made me a lifelong purchaser of AMD products. Thanks Juan, keep doing your job.

So exactly how much guessing is done on that CanardPC site, or shall we just deflect and redirect as always.

How would they know since they never tested it? So they must be just guessing, wonder how much more guessing is done in their reviews.

Of course not, omnipresent cheats only affect AMD products, on Intel boards they are just features.

What about for tasks that aren't games since games aren't the only thing to get a computer for? Also if you really want to impact gaming performance, the CPU is the second or third thing to change considering the overall difference between the highest and lowest price Intel CPU and the Highest...

What if it isn't an engineering sample but a production sample instead? Also, engineering samples can't say anything, they don't speak.

Just for one example, the i7 6700K to i7 7700k. Same performance, slightly less power, no IPC gain.

Ask Dell, not people not working for Dell.

Ok, let me rephrase then. I don't care about how much Dell pays for their parts. I also don't care how much any company pays for their bits and bobs to make their offerings. What I do care about is the specifications of said offering and how much that offering costs. So if Dell prices a...

So you need a compromised system/network for these exploits to work, if you have control of a compromised system/network you could potentially do just about anything to that system/network. The exploits are centered around ASMedia chips, the same chips used in many, many AMD and Intel...

My statements are not about Dell, they are about how consumers could/should perceive Dell (or any other company for that matter.) The consumer doesn't care about nothing more than the product and how much it costs, underlining production costs, labor costs, part costs, are irrelevant to the...

Cool, any guesses for how long it takes for the League of Intel Evangelists to chime in?

First, who cares, the price they are paying has little to no effect on what a consumer will pay for the APU, if you really need to know, ask Dell as they have apparently bought some. Second, who cares, the consumer gives little more than half a shit about how many APU's Dell has procured...

If using an Nvidia graphics card, you can use the built in streaming client built into the GeForce Experience (like OBS, this is free.) You are very limited on what can be streamed along with the game (customized on-screen graphics usually won't work) but it has support for a webcam and other...

Elaborate, what shit can't the processor do?

Great, Intel is better at older titles, this proves jack and shit about how future-proof those Intel chips are going to be in the future (you know, the time after you buy a PC.) As long as you have an existing game that you play, and the game was out before Ryzen was released, your gaming will...

What reason would that be by the way, I would sure like to know what I think? As stated, it is a way to extrapolate CPU performance minus GPU involvement specifically in games. So the graphs that OrangeKrush posted showing Intel falling behind AMD chips at higher resolutions but ahead of AMD...

I can honestly say that the 720p tests hold very little impact for my personal use. Since I haven't gamed at 720p since the early 2000's, the data points are irrelevant to me. If an Intel chip can show bigger numbers at 720p but falls behind the AMD chips at higher resolutions tells me that...

So the problem Juan has is with using anything higher than 2400 speed ram with an AMD system. I can see why though, the ram actually gives a noticeable performance improvement when clocked higher than the 2400 speed ram. This performance increase isn't the same on the Intel side, so the use of...

The "quotes" around "Zen" refer to a grouping of products that share the name of Zen. Since Zen+ does share some of it's name and architectural ancestry from Zen it would fall under the "Zen" family. They specify in the full quote that this grouping includes the 14nm products and the upcoming...

Meltdown is an Intel specific issue, Spectre is an everybody issue. This means that your Intel CPU is vulnerable to both Meltdown and Spectre and an AMD CPU is susceptible to Spectre. Could somebody explain why a chip that has 2 known issues is better than a CPU with 1 of those issues? Also...

Don't worry, check post 161 to see the full statement in-which you pulled your quote from.