Major flaw detected with AMD 7900 XTX vapor chamber cooler

Could this get worse? FYI, keep an eye out on your card temps and behavior with the latest driver build?

 
Slade said:
Could this get worse? FYI, keep an eye out on your card temps and behavior with the latest driver build?

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This is what happens when you think you can be cheeky and get away unscathed.
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It's like watching someone open their mouth just to insert their foot. :banghead:
 
61 cards failed in two weeks? Dead gpus he claims. 6800/6900 series only or 7k too, not sure. I think he's saying only 6k series cards. Only common issue he saw from customers was they were using Dec. 8th drivers.
 
That video seems to be covering RX 6800/6900 RDNA 2 hardware... not a good sign when it comes to future updates for RDNA 3 seriously cocking things up after RDNA 4 eventually drops.

I do know that driver version 22.12.2 was specifically a hotfix for the RX 7900s - hopefully, no RDNA 2 owners installed that one by accident, assuming later = better for everyone.

The last thing AMD needs right now is to piss off existing customers alongside the new ones who got screwed by the 7900 XTX vapor chamber defects. They've already got enough of a bad reputation for their Windows drivers as is, but it's usually not "catastrophic hardware failure" bad.
 
Slade said:
Could this get worse? FYI, keep an eye out on your card temps and behavior with the latest driver build?

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This does not pass the smell test. You know how many of these cards were sold in North America and not a peep about this problem here??? One small computer repair shop in Germany has these flooding in? There is more to this story if it actually is a real story.
 
FrgMstr said:
This does not pass the smell test. You know how many of these cards were sold in North America and not a peep about this problem here??? One small computer repair shop in Germany has these flooding in? There is more to this story if it actually is a real story.
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Reminds me of the recent story where one small repair shop was claiming that PS5 consoles were being killed when used vertically due to the liquid metal seeping and shorting the board out. If this was such a huge issue the info would be much more widespread.
 
Could it be that it is a simple not much of a story RMA with NA warranty and an issue with Germany warranties ?
 
It's more of a PR nightmare for AMD right now, just a heads up for any 6x series owners as I'm hesitant to do any updates on my htpc rig now, but honestly haven't wanted to update the drivers on that pc for awhile as the games I play there work fine.
 
Slade said:
It's more of a PR nightmare for AMD right now, just a heads up for any 6x series owners as I'm hesitant to do any updates on my htpc rig now, but honestly haven't wanted to update the drivers on that pc for awhile as the games I play there work fine.
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its really weird this pops up right after the 7k series lmao. All at one shop, I mean where did these people get their card? a Mining dump? There are so many used one rolling around i wouldn't lose sleep over this lmao. I would like to see all the 60 cards he is talking about.
 
Armenius said:
Reminds me of the recent story where one small repair shop was claiming that PS5 consoles were being killed when used vertically due to the liquid metal seeping and shorting the board out. If this was such a huge issue the info would be much more widespread.
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I feel like these things are fire catching articles now. I have had my PS5 vertical for 2 years and its been abused lmao. Everyone wants to be quick to blame things hits hits hits. It was only a matter of time I saw this everywhere after this guy posted video.
 
FrgMstr said:
This does not pass the smell test. You know how many of these cards were sold in North America and not a peep about this problem here??? One small computer repair shop in Germany has these flooding in? There is more to this story if it actually is a real story.
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Everyone is trying to push the next issue it seems. Its crazy this comes out right after the 7k series vapor chamber. I don't want to ignore it but really make it seem like propaganda machine is hot against AMD, just everyone gonna jump on it now.
 
In the weird same vein of life, DeBauer trusted KrisFix for his GPU adventures in modding repair, so just something to keep in mind. So far the only real confirmed issue is a vapor chamber issue on what could be a batch of 7900xtx reference cards.
 
Some miner guy posted this in youtube video comments. IDK how true it is but didn't sound too far fetched, I mean its true shit load of mining cards got sold off last year that are dying out and coming to his shop.

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I could be naive, but if the issue like this was not caught in AMD, it would not be something that occur on all cards (or even most card or even 25% of them), specially if it is an issue interacting with mod-volting of miners.
 
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Some miner guy posted this in youtube video comments. IDK how true it is but didn't sound too far fetched, I mean its true shit load of mining cards got sold off last year that are dying out and coming to his shop.

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Interesting here is this person stated 30% fail rate of Nvidia cards in his farm and the Radeons didn’t die in the mines but shortly thereafter. Where is the outrage concerning dead RTX cards? I think we all collectively can agree that mining runs the piss out of any gpu so the service life is likely affected.
 
TheHig said:
Interesting here is this person stated 30% fail rate of Nvidia cards in his farm and the Radeons didn’t die in the mines but shortly thereafter. Where is the outrage concerning dead RTX cards? I think we all collectively can agree that mining runs the piss out of any gpu so the service life is likely affected.
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I am wondering if these cards from mining farms might be running some custom bios where the power limits are f'ed and removed up or down. Messing with the drivers. I know lot of mining farms would use custom bios to unlock things to improve power, wondering if that just f'ed with the drivers in the wrong way when gaming after they sold them in masses on ebay.
 
TheHig said:
Interesting here is this person stated 30% fail rate of Nvidia cards in his farm and the Radeons didn’t die in the mines but shortly thereafter. Where is the outrage concerning dead RTX cards? I think we all collectively can agree that mining runs the piss out of any gpu so the service life is likely affected.
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Not sure why people will have a big outrage about miners ending up with dead cards on their hands, has those cards get over their 2 years warranty (1 or 3 years depending on the markets/AIBs) since last October and has they get into gamers hands via the used market it will change how people react to issues.

I feel pro miner saw a ton of cards get out and consider it part of the business if they modded and pushed them.
 
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The timing is a bit suspicious. Piling on AMD for the cooler batch issue put them in focus so more attention on them right now for sure. What if after mining for a year or more lots of Radeon cards barely make it past warranty? What if the 6000s for whatever reasons wear out faster when used for mining than the previous gen cards? We will start to see lots of them die here soon based on the launch date maybe. With gpu mining all but dead there are a ton of 6000 series being sold off near end of warranty. Also what if a hobby miner is bag holding with dozen or so cards right now and wow it sure is convenient that they die suddenly before the warranty is up.. Lastly if this is anything at all it should make people consider the risk used card purchases. Like they should anyway. Personally I buy lots of used stuff and understand that anything out of warranty is all risk so the price just needs to reflect that.
 
TheHig said:
The timing is a bit suspicious. Piling on AMD for the cooler batch issue put them in focus so more attention on them right now for sure. What if after mining for a year or more lots of Radeon cards barely make it past warranty? What if the 6000s for whatever reasons wear out faster when used for mining than the previous gen cards? We will start to see lots of them die here soon based on the launch date maybe. With gpu mining all but dead there are a ton of 6000 series being sold off near end of warranty. Also what if a hobby miner is bag holding with dozen or so cards right now and wow it sure is convenient that they die suddenly before the warranty is up.. Lastly if this is anything at all it should make people consider the risk used card purchases. Like they should anyway. Personally I buy lots of used stuff and understand that anything out of warranty is all risk so the price just needs to reflect that.
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yea that is what makes me think this is really weird when. I am not a conspiracy guy but it almost seems like person has to know the shit storm they will start lmao. Really weird it all comes out right after 7000 series issue with some vapor chambers and now some shop saying common factor is drivers.

I mean is that so hard to believe? Almost everyone updates drivers so that by default is going to be the common factor lmao. I mean if you are going to make a video do more investigation about where the cards were bought etc, and how heavily they were abused. Really stating the obvious there by saying OMG they were all same driver, only that that shows is people update their drivers lmao.
 
TheHig said:
Interesting here is this person stated 30% fail rate of Nvidia cards in his farm and the Radeons didn’t die in the mines but shortly thereafter. Where is the outrage concerning dead RTX cards? I think we all collectively can agree that mining runs the piss out of any gpu so the service life is likely affected.
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But miners claimed that it doesn't harm the cards one but. They are even better then the average used GPU cause they are always ran under volted in a well conditioned space!
 
vegeta535 said:
But miners claimed that it doesn't harm the cards one but. They are even better then the average used GPU cause they are always ran under volted in a well conditioned space!
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I can't speak for anyone but myself, but my mining cards ran cooler and at a lower voltage than any of my system GPUs. I only mined for about 2 years, but I didn't have any failures.

Everyone will have different experiences, it's all anecdotal.
 
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But miners claimed that it doesn't harm the cards one but. They are even better then the average used GPU cause they are always ran under volted in a well conditioned space!
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Yeah, all these talking heads on YouTube telling you, "Sure, go buy those mining cards, they are excellently cared for," is a load a bullshit.
 
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But miners claimed that it doesn't harm the cards one but. They are even better then the average used GPU cause they are always ran under volted in a well conditioned space!
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Not all miners are the same. If you take that as 100% guarantee you should think harder Lmao.

People here let’s say if they mined at home with a card they usually take care of it fine and big miners will do custom firmware etc to unlock power limits and push memory hard to squeeze every bit of performance. I am cool buying a personal mining card here in forums based on honest feedback of seller but I won’t on eBay etc. where they are offloading em and likely coming from farms etc where they are like hit hardest.
 
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Yeah, all these talking heads on YouTube telling you, "Sure, go buy those mining cards, they are excellently cared for," is a load a bullshit.
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Every time someone says something like this it sounds like they're trying to sell a load of bullshit. I've never done any mining but I've done plenty of distributed computing projects which includes running on GPUs. I had a couple Radeon RX570s in my system running DC projects part of last year; one of them my own personal card for the system and the other my son's identical card he gave me after replacing it with an RX6700. Those RX570s normally ran pretty damn cool but once there were two of them in the case it was a different story. The one in the middle slot would run normal temperatures because it was getting most of the cool air but my card running in the primary PCI-e slot was almost baking (relative to the normal temps with only one card) because the only air it could get was already pre-heated by the card below and there was very little space between them.

There's no way you can tell me that a bunch of cards packed as tightly as possible in as small an area as possible running full load 24/7 is considered "cared for". They were beating on those cards as hard as they could and the only thing they cared about was getting their money's worth before the card died.

This is another reason I refuse to buy used video cards. First of all, people lie. There's little chance you can be assured that the owner hasn't mined on the card. There's also no way to know how many times the card has changed hands. The person you're buying from may have never mined on the card but that doesn't mean they were the only owner and if not the person before may have mined the card into the ground.

I don't trust anyone and caveat emptor.

As for the original report, it's way too odd and too convenient to be considered credible for the most part. It's likely every one of the cards being talked about was from a mining setup and abused badly. It's also likely as stated by another poster that the cards probably had been modded for mining and never changed back which caused some really odd issues when used as a normal card. Is it technically possible that the newer drivers are the "cause" of the card failures? Sure, as long as you ignore everything else which was done to the card which had it probably run way out of spec. On those specific cards something different in the new drivers may have been the straw that broke the camel's back but won't likely be the cause unless you ignore everything else loaded onto the camel.
 
SmokeRngs said:
Every time someone says something like this it sounds like they're trying to sell a load of bullshit. I've never done any mining but I've done plenty of distributed computing projects which includes running on GPUs. I had a couple Radeon RX570s in my system running DC projects part of last year; one of them my own personal card for the system and the other my son's identical card he gave me after replacing it with an RX6700. Those RX570s normally ran pretty damn cool but once there were two of them in the case it was a different story. The one in the middle slot would run normal temperatures because it was getting most of the cool air but my card running in the primary PCI-e slot was almost baking (relative to the normal temps with only one card) because the only air it could get was already pre-heated by the card below and there was very little space between them.

There's no way you can tell me that a bunch of cards packed as tightly as possible in as small an area as possible running full load 24/7 is considered "cared for". They were beating on those cards as hard as they could and the only thing they cared about was getting their money's worth before the card died.

This is another reason I refuse to buy used video cards. First of all, people lie. There's little chance you can be assured that the owner hasn't mined on the card. There's also no way to know how many times the card has changed hands. The person you're buying from may have never mined on the card but that doesn't mean they were the only owner and if not the person before may have mined the card into the ground.

I don't trust anyone and caveat emptor.

As for the original report, it's way too odd and too convenient to be considered credible for the most part. It's likely every one of the cards being talked about was from a mining setup and abused badly. It's also likely as stated by another poster that the cards probably had been modded for mining and never changed back which caused some really odd issues when used as a normal card. Is it technically possible that the newer drivers are the "cause" of the card failures? Sure, as long as you ignore everything else which was done to the card which had it probably run way out of spec. On those specific cards something different in the new drivers may have been the straw that broke the camel's back but won't likely be the cause unless you ignore everything else loaded onto the camel.
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Using two gpus in your case doing DC is not what most miners were doing. If you don't know, either ask or shut up about topics you know nothing about.

MOST miners spent the small price to buy a rack. A rack they needed to run more than 3 or 4 cards per system. Racks have tons of fans and aren't trapped inside a case.

You had a gpu heating issue because you ran then in an enclosed case. Dumb. Inexperienced.
 
Mined for 3 or 4 years with my 16 R9 290s 4 cards per MotherBoard. Cutting edge back then LoL.. Undervolting helped along with hand built open air "cases". Still using some of them now for pc/workstation tasks. Not your average mining gpu story I would imagine.
 
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Using two gpus in your case doing DC is not what most miners were doing. If you don't know, either ask or shut up about topics you know nothing about.

MOST miners spent the small price to buy a rack. A rack they needed to run more than 3 or 4 cards per system. Racks have tons of fans and aren't trapped inside a case.

You had a gpu heating issue because you ran then in an enclosed case. Dumb. Inexperienced.
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You think that’s significantly cooler?
 
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Are you implying that cards next to each other with very little space in between is the same as this with cards separated by at least an inch with fans blowing over them?

Open air, fans blowing over, space between. Yes, it is cooler. Significantly. I ran 8 gpus in a rack and they ran cooler than 2 gpus in a case. Always.
 
auntjemima said:
Using two gpus in your case doing DC is not what most miners were doing. If you don't know, either ask or shut up about topics you know nothing about.

MOST miners spent the small price to buy a rack. A rack they needed to run more than 3 or 4 cards per system. Racks have tons of fans and aren't trapped inside a case.

You had a gpu heating issue because you ran then in an enclosed case. Dumb. Inexperienced.
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No shit open air might be cooler. Yay for captain obvious. But you know what else? Those people don't give a shit about the hardware as long as most of it lasted long enough for them to make something off of it and get rid of it. If you think that everyone had "perfect" mining setups designed with keeping the hardware in good shape in mind, I have some oceanfront property in Arizona to sell you. I posted one small example of what I have personally experienced. I didn't say I killed the cards. I didn't say the cards were running at the limit regarding thermals. I flat out stated that one of the cards ran a hell of a lot hotter than normal because of the setup. And guess what, the same thing is going to happen with your precious mining setups. We're not talking about a datacenter with a/c units blowing cold air over everything. We're talking about something someone probably has shoved in a closet somewhere because the sound and noise are too much to put up with.

I'll talk about something I do have knowledge about and that's having more than one GPU running together. Don't try to tell me to shut up. There's absolutely nothing in your post worth looking at. Mining abuses cards. Miners modify and abuse cards. They don't care about the life of the hardware nor what happens to it after they get rid of it. Thus, what the bogus report about is 95% likely mining cards which were abused and sold off without caring what happened to it.
 
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