The Nuc 13 Extreme looks mean!

I remember when NUC's were small.
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Lakados said:
https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/229782/intel-nuc-13-extreme-kit-nuc13rngi9.html
https://www.intel.ca/content/www/ca/en/products/docs/boards-kits/nuc/mini-pcs/nuc-13-extreme.html

https://www.anandtech.com/show/1764...on-review-sizzling-sff-performance-powerhouse

How do you think it could be modded to fit a 4090... Cause that would be sick!
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The photo of the "Raptor Canyon Baseboard" (what the compute module plugs into) shows (what appears to be) a three fan asus card installed. You could probably fit a 4090 with a water block easily--the hard part would be powering it and routing/placing the water components. A simpler method might involve a large finned heatsink and a few fans, if case design allows for sufficient airflow.
 
I am looking for a complete platform upgrade this spring and this is pretty enticing... def within my upgrade budget.. maybe it's time to go pre-fab and no RGBs. ;)
 
Aren't SODIMMs slower than DIMMs? At 13.7L this thing is bigger than my Shuttle XPC Cubes at 13.4L and they use all standard PC parts. You think that they would have just gone with that here, given the size.

That said, the 13th gen Intel support and 3-slot GPU cooling is nice. That is quite a bit ahead of Shuttle's mini-PC's right now which are still stuck back at 11th gen Intel.
 
Red Falcon said:
No, they do the same thing in a different way, but the speed/latency is the same.
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To a point, the mounting bracket a SODIMM uses adds some extra length, then you have the spacing between the modules and the CPU adding more length and you reach a point where the modules are too far from the CPU to maintain the timings so it has to drop to a lower speed. It's why Dell is looking at developing the CAMM format with Intel, and why most other OEMs just solder the memory in place now. But if you are limited to two modules there isn't a practical difference at the speeds available to us now.
 
Lakados said:
To a point, the mounting bracket a SODIMM uses adds some extra length, then you have the spacing between the modules and the CPU adding more length and you reach a point where the modules are too far from the CPU to maintain the timings so it has to drop to a lower speed. It's why Dell is looking at developing the CAMM format with Intel, and why most other OEMs just solder the memory in place now. But if you are limited to two modules there isn't a practical difference at the speeds available to us now.
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Ah, I meant the internal functionality of SODIMMs compared to DIMMs, not the physical aspect of either to CAMM/embedded, but you are definitely correct about all of that.
 
Lakados said:
To a point, the mounting bracket a SODIMM uses adds some extra length, then you have the spacing between the modules and the CPU adding more length and you reach a point where the modules are too far from the CPU to maintain the timings so it has to drop to a lower speed. It's why Dell is looking at developing the CAMM format with Intel, and why most other OEMs just solder the memory in place now. But if you are limited to two modules there isn't a practical difference at the speeds available to us now.
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Shouldn't vertical sodimm slots be identical to vertical dimm slots afa length?
 
Red Falcon said:
No, they do the same thing in a different way, but the speed/latency is the same.
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OK, thank you for the clarification. I had read on a Quora post that seemed reputable that SO-DIMM would have a slower mem speed than DIMM because LPDDR4 3200 (which SO-DIMM would likely use for that particular speed) has a data throughput of 12.8 GB/S while DDR4 3200 has a throughput of 25.6GB/S. That said, I get that this topic is likely a lot more complicated than just comparing two numbers and that SO-DIMM may have other ways to compensate for the lower throughput. This was the post that I (likely mis) read:

https://www.quora.com/What-is-Sodim...&share=616e8528&srid=hUw0q&target_type=answer

Regardless, let's just say that SO-DIMMs are the same speed as DIMM (my mistake). What about mem capacity? It says on Wikipedia that:

"[SO-DIMMs"] are usually available with the same size data path and speed ratings of the regular DIMMs though normally with smaller capacities"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DIMM

Is it more accurate for me to, instead, say that SO-DIMMs generally have lower capacity or are generally more expensive (for sticks of the same capacity) as that of DIMM? If that's the case, then my assertation could still stand in that the NUC 13 would be better off using DIMMs.

I guess where my understanding is struggling here is that if SO-DIMM is every bit as good as DIMM without any drawbacks then why the heck are we still using the much bigger and bulker DIMM sticks? It seems like it would just be way better to use SO-DIMM even in regular PC's as, at the very least, it would free up real estate on the motherboard.

Thanks again for the info. I am not trying to argue with you, I am legitimately trying to learn and understand more about PC hardware and there is a lot of knowledge out there that is outdated, just isn't that clear or fails to consider the full complexity of practical application.
 
gvx64 said:
OK, thank you for the clarification. I had read on a Quora post that seemed reputable that SO-DIMM would have a slower mem speed than DIMM because LPDDR4 3200 (which SO-DIMM would likely use for that particular speed) has a data throughput of 12.8 GB/S while DDR4 3200 has a throughput of 25.6GB/S. That said, I get that this topic is likely a lot more complicated than just comparing two numbers and that SO-DIMM may have other ways to compensate for the lower throughput. This was the post that I (likely mis) read:

https://www.quora.com/What-is-Sodim...&share=616e8528&srid=hUw0q&target_type=answer

Regardless, let's just say that SO-DIMMs are the same speed as DIMM (my mistake). What about mem capacity? It says on Wikipedia that:

"[SO-DIMMs"] are usually available with the same size data path and speed ratings of the regular DIMMs though normally with smaller capacities"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DIMM

Is it more accurate for me to, instead, say that SO-DIMMs generally have lower capacity or are generally more expensive (for sticks of the same capacity) as that of DIMM? If that's the case, then my assertation could still stand in that the NUC 13 would be better off using DIMMs.

I guess where my understanding is struggling here is that if SO-DIMM is every bit as good as DIMM without any drawbacks then why the heck are we still using the much bigger and bulker DIMM sticks? It seems like it would just be way better to use SO-DIMM even in regular PC's as, at the very least, it would free up real estate on the motherboard.

Thanks again for the info. I am not trying to argue with you, I am legitimately trying to learn and understand more about PC hardware and there is a lot of knowledge out there that is outdated, just isn't that clear or fails to consider the full complexity of practical application.
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SODIMMs can be just as good or bad in terms of performance and overclocking as they’re full DIMM sized cousins. The catch is a SODIMM is far more dense and costs more to make, it also has a much smaller market as most people who buy laptops never replace the ram they got initially. Some may buy a stick down the road towards the end of its life cycle but I’d say it’s fewer than half who do. Either way the economy to scale isn’t there for the format so there just isn’t a demand to switch.

While the sticks may be smaller there’s no performance benefit to be gained and there isn’t really anything to take up any space that it would free up. At best it may allow for an ITX board with 4 memory modules but I doubt that would be a selling point for most.

The ATX standard format and all its variants were designed with full size sticks in mind so unless Intel publishes a new size format that the AIBs and OEMs can get onboard with then any board that did switch would be a gimmick at best.

We still use full DIMMs because the format isn’t broken by anything we are doing so there’s just no need to change it.

Regarding the NUC and it using the SODIMMs it’s a space thing, I doubt you could fit a full pair of sticks on there and still have it fit.
 
zer0gravity said:
Just picked up a NUC13RNGI9 for around $1,800 and showed up yesterday. I'll have a 4090 this week and will let you know how the mod goes!
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How was it configured? I tried going to various sellers and playing around with the configurator, and the only way I could get to $1,800 is to include literally nothing but cheap 8GB DDR5 memory.
 
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