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Diablo Immortal PC Build
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Wouldn't the pity system kick in?
causticspill
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Oh wow, these mobile (and PC builds of mobile) "games" actually have spending pity mechanics? Today I learned...
Kudos to this clown, er, streamer for exposing this garbage, but also shame on him for feeding the beast. And the article says he's going to go for $20k now?! Enjoy your predatory "free" games, kids!
edit: clarify that Diablo Immortal also has a PC component to, ahem, stay on topic.
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GoldenTiger
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Yeah, some do have "pity" mechanics that'll give you a tiny break. It'd be hilarious if it weren't so sad...
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I swear, next to the CEO or whatever the highest paid employees on these projects must be the psycologists/psyciatrists. They've totally figured out how to manipulate their victims.
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Yeah... Some games hire economists too in order to manipulate their in game economy to encourage further purchasing.
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Yes, it says the pity system only guarantees a "? / 5" gem. He didn't get a 5.
I thought this thread was started to discuss the pc game version and members who are actually playing it. Mybad continue trolling away. I'm out. Thanks mods for keeping it going.
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Yes, the pc version has microtransactions. Your point?
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LOL.
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Apologies in advance for piling on.
Is disappointment in aspects of a game not allowed in a discussion thread? Can only people who actively play the game participate?
Allow me to insert a pivot post in the hopes that all grown ups can continue to enjoy The [H].
I have not played Immortal, but I would have liked to (still have a copy of my Diablo II disks somewhere, I think I lost the box*). I have checked the game out and read the review at Ars. However, due to Immortal's extremely aggressive microtransaction monetization design I'd prefer not to give them another download stat and vote with my wallet, as it were. I continue to follow this thread because the game initially interested me (it's Diablo) and I appreciate that at least a portion of the game could technically be enjoyed without paying actual money.
*edit: sadly I have indeed lost the box, but I have the manuals for the base game and expansion, so that's neat.
Is disappointment in aspects of a game not allowed in a discussion thread? Can only people who actively play the game participate?
Allow me to insert a pivot post in the hopes that all grown ups can continue to enjoy The [H].
I have not played Immortal, but I would have liked to (still have a copy of my Diablo II disks somewhere, I think I lost the box*). I have checked the game out and read the review at Ars. However, due to Immortal's extremely aggressive microtransaction monetization design I'd prefer not to give them another download stat and vote with my wallet, as it were. I continue to follow this thread because the game initially interested me (it's Diablo) and I appreciate that at least a portion of the game could technically be enjoyed without paying actual money.
*edit: sadly I have indeed lost the box, but I have the manuals for the base game and expansion, so that's neat.
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He didn't spend a cent, the money his subs / donations payed for that 10 times over. He is a multi millionaire streamer who has achieved major success by sometimes pretending to be an idiot for laughs, doing nonsensical eccentric activities (mostly in ARPGs) but he is actually quite a skilled player (and businessman) if you can look past the entertainer front.
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Perhaps calling him a clown gave the impression that I am not aware of the economics surrounding streamers. I have kids. I am well aware. Being a clown, streamer, gamer, businessman, multi-millionaire, they're not mutually exclusive. The pity mechanic thing was new to me.
Regardless of where the money came from (or how much he made back streaming his spending of it), a ridiculous sum was transferred from the streamer to Activision/Blizzard via Diablo Immortal (the PC version I think, staying on topic for friends). And that ridiculousness fed the beast, and he was still disappointed! It reinforces the predatory, addictive "free to play" mechanics of the game that heavily push the player away from free and towards pay. I am quite sure that the revenue projections for Diablo Immortal contained a section entitled "Whales" or similar and that they are banking on the actions of people like this streamer when they designed the game. If only the underlying game was more free player friendly thanks to people like the streamer, and lacked the layered tiers of specialized currency like Crests and Platinum and Orbs and Gems and just had a solid, fun game subsidized by clowns with too much money.
Yes, I understand that I am being oldmanyellingatcloud right now, and the economics are clearly against me, but I don't like the way these games are designed and otherwise I would have been fine with paying for and installing a premium Diablo mobile game on my phone without all the microtransactions. Glancing at the user score at metacritic (0.3, "overwhelming dislike" currently), and the opinions previously shared in this thread, I am hardly alone in this opinion.
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Freemium started on the PC, this another thing we've ruined consoles and now mobile phones will. All hail the master race!
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More scummy BS with the legendary gems:
I normally wouldn't post something so off topic but I feel like Diablo Immoral led me to this. This weekend after hearing so much BS about DI I decided to try Path of Exile since I hadn't played it since launch years and years ago. Man, it's so good. F2P done right IMO.
I wouldn't consider it off-topic, you nailed it. PoE does ftp incredibly well.
I'm a filthy casual by most standards, but didn't pay a cent until my 1000th hour into it. I almost felt obligated to throw them $30 in cosmetics at that point.
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/paulta...has-hidden-caps-preventing-grinding-for-free/
- After six legendary drops a day, your drop rate severely decreases for future drops.
- After a group bonus for six normal gems a day, your drop rate severely decreases.
- Side quests stop giving rewards after five per day.
- Purple bosses stop giving rewards after five per day
- Random map events stop giving rewards after five per day.
- Zoltan Kule treasure rooms are limited to five per day.
- Hidden Lair dungeons stop giving gem rewards after just a few completed sections.
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This is the one thing that actually doesn't bother me as much, and I've stated above. Diablo has had a botting problem. Time gating is actually one of the ways to alleviate it.
As having a competitive nature, it does bother me some that people look at people on the leaderboard, including popular streamers, as being skilled, when it's more about them playing 10+ hours a day than actual knowledge. Diablo is a very low skill game. Now, maybe a time gate shouldn't be this low, but I doubt most people are going to notice these caps.
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Those caps are only applicable to free players. It's not going to stop bots.
The caps are also there for whales. The difference is that they can continue to buy materials to get better legendary gems, or they can buy some materials to make stronger gear. But they're not going to out level anyone or find new legendaries.
One of the things talked about is how you also need to extend the game out for whales as well. You can't just give them unfettered access. Otherwise they'll become too powerful too quickly and do everything and quit early. The goal is to have the game turn into a habit, and thus, things are specifically designed to slow down for the whale as well.
And in terms of bots, it majorly affects them. Are they going to be better off than a non bot? Sure. But in something like Diablo 2 or 3, they'd be massively ahead of other players. In P2W games, the time caps make it so that when you've hit caps, even grinding continuously barely gets you anything. A normal player would easily make that up in one or two quests when they're uncapped. So, that forces the botting player to actually be in the game when their cap is lifted.
Take this video:
The guy got a 5812 massacre bonus which only gave him 226k experience. He was Paragon 23 and it only moved half a bar. They're not designed to have you level up quickly, regardless if you are F2P or pay $100k.
Yes, and Diablo Immortal is much more fun than that was.
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Mchart
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I'm currently enjoying it, but as soon as I hit a paywall i'm dumping it. I'm most impressed with the fact that this is, at least to me, the first AAA title i've seen on a phone that doesn't run like shit. It's actually quite impressive how good this game looks/runs on the phone, and also not destroying battery life. At least on my 13 pro. The touch controls are also done really well.
It's just a damn shame they couldn't have just charged people $60 for 'the game' and left the micro-transactions to be cosmetic only. With how good this game is I would have laid down $60 even with it being a mobile game.
It's just a damn shame they couldn't have just charged people $60 for 'the game' and left the micro-transactions to be cosmetic only. With how good this game is I would have laid down $60 even with it being a mobile game.
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A few observations with the game so far. As Mchart posted its fun. If you like D3 then you will enjoy this. (Note: I'm playing the free pc beta, not mobile). There are way more activities to do in the game than D3 and you can do team raids with up to 4 players in rifts and dungeons. A must once you reach (choose) Paragon Hell 1 level and higher.
The grinding isn't too bad, even the paragon levels that go from Hell 1 to Hell 4. Unlike D3 you will not be able to hit Paragon level (60) in a day or so though. You get plenty of drops along the way including legendary's. You also get a few gems, regular and legendary along the way.
The game (so far) does not allow you to use the right mouse button. Your move and base damage is done by the left mouse button, while others are done using the number keys.
It's still in beta so there are issues. Every now and then you stop doing damage for a minute or more, at the most inconvenient times it seems. Sometimes doing damage you float backwards as well. These are known issues that should be fixed eventually. Getting any additional gems for upgrades is extremely slow with grinding. Done on purpose I imagine. This is where the pay to win comes in.
There are plenty of ways to grind for several different currencies to level up or get better gear, etc. but there is a learning cure on where to go, what NPC's to do and how to use them. It's more detailed than D3. It has auto navigation for those players that are stuck on where to go.
They said in a couple weeks the patches should start rolling out along with more to do for free players. I don't plan on paying a dime for the "pay to win scenario" so I hope so. If they just made it a stand alone purchase with all the benefits I would have purchased it that way. If it stops being fun or too much of a grind I quit, its free so I got my enjoyment out of it.
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I'm in mid-40's now, and still have yet to really hit a 'paywall' that is turning me away from the game. There is a daily 'limit' on getting decent loot that you absolutely notice after about 3-4 hours of playing, but at that point, i'm generally done with the game for the day anyways. I've been averaging about 2-3 legendary item drops per day just playing free, but I agree, the legendary gem grind once that becomes the only thing you need to grind for, is absolutely paywalled since there are only a few legendary crests available per month consistently for free.
I'm definitely feeling the lack of high(er) quality legendary gems simply because I don't have legendary crests. I can't do Hell 2 yet despite being nearly Paragon 50 though I've been finding a few more exceptional legendaries where they roll some fantastic values. I'm still enjoying it until we get a new season in D3, at least.
On that note, anyone still playing Diablo 3 willing to group up for next season? I've been going after early conquests the past several seasons, but it really helps to have a group.
Last season, I managed to reach Level 70 roughly 40 minutes into the season. This was 20 minutes faster to 70 than anyone else on the server.
But without some extra help, the post 70 stuff slows down (the bounty portion is a pain to do without a group of 4). There would need to be some practice, but not much.
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Having more fun with this on iPhone than I should be and haven't spent a dollar.
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They hook you in with a fun game at the start. Then you get to the end-game grind, they drop the monetizations on you, and they hope you're addicted enough to spend money.
It's the same way casinos are designed, dude.
The model doesn't have to work on everyone, just enough to make a profit. If you can reach the end of the game, finish it and quit, without spending a dime, you aren't the target customer.
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Got my fill of it in. Spent nothing on it, but i've now reached paragon and it's pretty obvious i'm hitting the P2W wall. So i'm done. The daily rewards/quests are pretty lame as well. So i'll never touch this thing again given that they aren't going to change the model much at this point.
Either way, I had fun with it for a couple weeks, and didn't spend a dime. I just didn't see any point to give them money as there is basically no reward to doing so. If you pay, it gets you basically nothing since the ceiling is so high.
Either way, I had fun with it for a couple weeks, and didn't spend a dime. I just didn't see any point to give them money as there is basically no reward to doing so. If you pay, it gets you basically nothing since the ceiling is so high.
I'm on paragon level 68 and still having fun. But you have to know how to work the daily weekly system to keep going and level up. Once it gets boring I'll quit. Just like every other pc game I've owned or played.
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My main issue is that it just gets boring pretty fast, mostly because there isn't an adventure mode like D3 and/or the fact that the levels are static in layout. D3 with adventure mode and at least the somewhat random level layout makes it more entertaining. Couple that with the fact that you don't have the P2W wall.. I'm done with immortal. It has some cool stuff going for it, but ultimately, I really wish they would have ported D3 to mobile. I'd rather have that in the long run. The issue with immortal now is that any new content is largely going to be P2W walled.
None of this is even mentioning all the BS in immortal that requires parties to do. I'm not the type of person who likes to play diablo with a party, and this game forces it for good amount of stuff. Or you know, the fact that there are bot farmers littering all the spawn points on the maps in immortal as well.
I realized at the end of it that i'd have more fun just playing another season of D3, and just being patient for D4 or POE2.
Finally, it's not looking good for immortal either. The playercount is tanking hard, and honestly, the only people that will be left playing it in a year are just going to be the people who have thrown thousands of dollars at the game.
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Yeah the higher levels require groups in certain areas (not all) which I hate but you are basically running though killing everything you can and can ignore the other players while doing it...I hope before I get bored they release some sort of other modes like that. But they do push group play a lot.
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Streamer pays to win, wins game, complains about winning game.
He paid over $100k in the game and is now complaining about his MMR being too high to get PvP games. One of the quests he needs to get Immortal wings for his clan requires you to play a Battlegrounds match, and he hasn't been able to get one after queueing for 72 hours. He wants Blizzard to take responsibility for his actions.
He paid over $100k in the game and is now complaining about his MMR being too high to get PvP games. One of the quests he needs to get Immortal wings for his clan requires you to play a Battlegrounds match, and he hasn't been able to get one after queueing for 72 hours. He wants Blizzard to take responsibility for his actions.
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Don't give this idiot any publicity please. It's what he's seeking with these dumb antics.