5800x most popular processor?

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I was just randomly just doing some googling and as of right now, both on Amazon and at Microcenter, the Ryzen 5800x is the most "popular" and/or "best selling" processor based on how the respective reseller phrases it. I personally run a Malaysian assembled 5800x that I got used right here in the [H] a while back.

With Alder Lake being faster and usually not much more expensive if at all from Ryzen, why is the 5800x so popular? On Amazon, Intel doesn't even enter the list until position 8 with the 10400.

Even with discounts, the 5800x isn't particularly a great value. I mean the 12400 at microcenter is $160 bucks which is within a hair of performance of the 5800x in many games and productivity apps.

Is Windows 11 keeping people off Alder Lake? DDR5 availability/pricing still deterring folks?

I'm happy for AMD as competition is good, but it seems illogical for most non-biased folks.
 
It is a drop in replacement for a lot of people. If I could get a cheap enough one, I'd replace some older 3600's in some other machines without the cost of upgrading an entire platform.
 
kirbyrj said:
It is a drop in replacement for a lot of people. If I could get a cheap enough one, I'd replace some older 3600's in some other machines without the cost of upgrading an entire platform.
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That is true, not having to replace everything is very compelling.
 
My system started as a 2700x build. I jumped to a 3800x, and was going to jump to a 5800x, but i'm waiting for the 5800x 3D now so i'll have the best AM4 based CPU for gaming.

Each move has been a decent performance improvement, and as stated, it's literally just a drop-in replacement for decent gains. This is why it's so popular. You've got many people on older AM4 boards that have been able to upgrade to these CPU's.

Even if it costs more, you also have to factor in time involved. It's way easier to drop in the newer CPU on the same board you already have then it is buying a whole new Intel platform and rebuilding the system.
 
OFaceSIG said:
I was just randomly just doing some googling and as of right now, both on Amazon and at Microcenter, the Ryzen 5800x is the most "popular" and/or "best selling" processor based on how the respective reseller phrases it. I personally run a Malaysian assembled 5800x that I got used right here in the [H] a while back.

With Alder Lake being faster and usually not much more expensive if at all from Ryzen, why is the 5800x so popular? On Amazon, Intel doesn't even enter the list until position 8 with the 10400.

Even with discounts, the 5800x isn't particularly a great value. I mean the 12400 at microcenter is $160 bucks which is within a hair of performance of the 5800x in many games and productivity apps.

Is Windows 11 keeping people off Alder Lake? DDR5 availability/pricing still deterring folks?

I'm happy for AMD as competition is good, but it seems illogical for most non-biased folks.
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It's a combination of factors. Alder Lake-S requires a fairly expensive motherboard platform even compared to X570. Additionally, all the nicer boards are DDR5 and you really need to run Windows 11 with it. DDR5 availability and lack of performance improvement are also things keeping people away and as a result, the 5800X and X570 or even B550 seem like a good value comparatively.
 
Dan_D said:
It's a combination of factors. Alder Lake-S requires a fairly expensive motherboard platform even compared to X570. Additionally, all the nicer boards are DDR5 and you really need to run Windows 11 with it. DDR5 availability and lack of performance improvement are also things keeping people away and as a result, the 5800X and X570 or even B550 seem like a good value comparatively.
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This is about the best answer possible. And realistically these multi-core beasts have a lot of life in them- so making an incremental upgrade is not really a compelling value without a core count increase.
 
On launch the 5800x was considered the worst value of any of the 5k series. It just happened to be the only one that was available almost always. Why? Because it was a terrible value compared to the pricing on the other CPU’s. So much so that many scalpers weren’t even buying to resell, because they couldnt.

I had one on launch because it was all I could find for msrp.

I don’t know current pricing, I was just going to comment on how ironic this may be considering the launch of this cpu.
 
Dan_D said:
It's a combination of factors. Alder Lake-S requires a fairly expensive motherboard platform even compared to X570. Additionally, all the nicer boards are DDR5 and you really need to run Windows 11 with it. DDR5 availability and lack of performance improvement are also things keeping people away and as a result, the 5800X and X570 or even B550 seem like a good value comparatively.
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Definitely the reason for me. The money I'd drop replacing my motherboard (and hs/f which would require replacement, or at least new retention brackets) and DDR5 really isn't worth the ~5-8% performance increase. And since I'm using my primary desktop mostly for high resolution/IQ gaming nowadays, a minor performance increase from a CPU matters even less. Also -- and I may not be au courant here -- AM4 should support Zen 4 which sounds like it will be a major IPC bump with DDR5.
 
harmattan said:
Definitely the reason for me. The money I'd drop replacing my motherboard (and hs/f which would require replacement, or at least new retention brackets) and DDR5 really isn't worth the ~5-8% performance increase. And since I'm using my primary desktop mostly for high resolution/IQ gaming nowadays, a minor performance increase from a CPU matters even less. Also -- and I may not be au courant here -- AM4 should support Zen 4 which sounds like it will be a major IPC bump with DDR5.
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I think AM4 is EOL. Everything I've seen has said AM5/DDR5/Zen4.
 
harmattan said:
Definitely the reason for me. The money I'd drop replacing my motherboard (and hs/f which would require replacement, or at least new retention brackets) and DDR5 really isn't worth the ~5-8% performance increase. And since I'm using my primary desktop mostly for high resolution/IQ gaming nowadays, a minor performance increase from a CPU matters even less. Also -- and I may not be au courant here -- AM4 should support Zen 4 which sounds like it will be a major IPC bump with DDR5.
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I haven’t seen anything saying Am4 will support Zen4 or DDR5.
 
Yeah, only new AM4 part coming out is the 5800X3D. It's dead after that unless something weird happens and AMD backtracks on AM5 production.

That being said, the 5800X3D will give any AM4 board a lot of extra life as it's almost like getting a 6800X (Or whatever they will call it) on AM4 due to the massive cache increase.
 
harmattan said:
Definitely the reason for me. The money I'd drop replacing my motherboard (and hs/f which would require replacement, or at least new retention brackets) and DDR5 really isn't worth the ~5-8% performance increase. And since I'm using my primary desktop mostly for high resolution/IQ gaming nowadays, a minor performance increase from a CPU matters even less. Also -- and I may not be au courant here -- AM4 should support Zen 4 which sounds like it will be a major IPC bump with DDR5.
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AM4 is end of life. It will not be getting Zen4 or DDR5 support.
 
On pcpart :
https://pcpartpicker.com/products/cpu/


Drop in and mental share is a bit factor but price difference is also smaller than we see there just looking at cpu

A 5800x + an ASUS x570 deluxe motherboard with WIFI start you a $535, a 12600K + a basic z690 will go at $505.

the basic z690 will have twice the M.2 slots, 2.5 gb/s and so on, so in reality maybe it is still superior in every way, but mentaly it could feel not that different to pay more for an bottom tier z690 than a mid tier x570 even if justified.

I wonder if it is has true among OEM dell/hp type of sales, where the already have an motherboard or not is not a factor, maybe it is the reverse for them.
 
OFaceSIG said:
With Alder Lake being faster and usually not much more expensive if at all from Ryzen, why is the 5800x so popular?
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I recently upgraded my 3600xt system with a 5800x, although I originally considered a DDR4 ADL system. My reason for not going with ADL was that it was a dead-end with DDR4, and not much of a benefit over a 5800x. The lack of availability and scarcity pricing of DDR5 was a very strong deterrent to going that route.

I also found that the used market for my old chip was only ~20% less than what I paid for it, and the 5800x had just gone on sale for $350 (which is now the current price at amazon). I also have a good x570 board that can more than handle the 5800x, and I did get a significant boost over the 3600xt in X-Plane, which is a very processor hungry program.

tl/dr: not much benefit to go ADL over Zen3 right now, the 5800x was on sale, and I got a good price on my old cpu. Also DDR5 scarcity pricing and lack of maturity.
 
I needed a new processor last spring and it was the best option at the time. The 5950x is extremely expensive and overkill for my gaming/job needs. I wanted something a little punchier than the 5600x. The 5900x was nonexistent at the time. Microcenter had boatloads of 'em and they were being decently discounted if you bought a MoBo, so it made sense to go for it. In the grand scheme of things, I'm not so sure a 5900x would have made much difference anyway.
 
LukeTbk said:
On pcpart :
https://pcpartpicker.com/products/cpu/


Drop in and mental share is a bit factor but price difference is also smaller than we see there just looking at cpu

A 5800x + an ASUS x570 deluxe motherboard with WIFI start you a $535, a 12600K + a basic z690 will go at $505.

the basic z690 will have twice the M.2 slots, 2.5 gb/s and so on, so in reality maybe it is still superior in every way, but mentaly it could feel not that different to pay more for an bottom tier z690 than a mid tier x570 even if justified.

I wonder if it is has true among OEM dell/hp type of sales, where the already have an motherboard or not is not a factor, maybe it is the reverse for them.
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My $180 Gigabyte mITX B550 board has 2.5GbE, Wifi6, 2xM.2 and had much better power delivery than super budget Z690 boards. There is nothing on my Z690 DDR4 motherboard I didn't already have available to me on my AMD motherboard except more M.2 slots (expected when comparing mITX to ATX...besides, I've never used more than 2 at at time anyway).

Let's look apples to apples:
Asus TUF Z690 DDR4 + 12600k combo - $545

Asus TUF X570 + 5800x (with $5 off coupon) - $540

They trade blows according to Tech Jesus to the point where you could go either way.

 
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I built a 5800X system the same week that Alder Lake came out- even knowing all the specs/performance/price details about AL ahead of time from the leaks. I could have waited literally one day and gotten a 12700K instead but I went with the "safe" option because even though it's costing me a bit of performance, it's also potentially saved me stress.

Clearly a lot of people are getting great results with their AL systems but there are also a lot of threads around the web with software compatibility issues, performance issues, memory issues, motherboard issues, heat issues. And I don't point that out to knock AL specifically- it's just a thing with new platforms. Zen 3 had launch issues too but they're pretty much solved now because the platform has had time to mature. NOTHING about AL is mature. New architecture with a very new (for x86) heterogeneous core design, new IMC, new memory, new PCIe, new chipset, new socket... I can't remember the last time Intel changed that many things all at once. Maybe Willamette on Socket 423 with RDRAM?

My point being, I think a lot of folks may be holding off for Raptor Lake to go with Intel at this point. A 5800X is an extremely safe bet- you drop it in a B550 board with an AiO and some 3600MT DDR4 and it just works, and near its peak performance without a ton of tuning and fretting. That can't be guaranteed with Alder Lake- which isn't to say AL is bad or inferior, just that's it's got a lot of complicating factors going on that may make it a less attractive choice than benchmarks and price imply.
 
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Seem to be what I thought, not really cheaper at the end, but in example:

Maybe on some newer revision or maybe stuff few could use but you would have but that Z690 would have over the x570, I think after a quick comp has difference outside way more PCI express connectivity and M.2 slots:

Wifi 6 2x2 / ax ?
Bluetooth v5.2
USB 3.2 Gen 2x2
2.5 gigabit ethernet
An iGPU (which in today world feel less irrelevant considering the price of a simple emergency GPU, it is a nice plus to have, specially for when those system end up has server/htpc/x.. in their second life)

Which is not enough to go clearly one way or another value wise, but give the edge feature wise to the z690 platform, while superb maturity of the AM4 platform and x570 in particular would make me go that way I think, it is not like Intel has an history of making their chipset long-lived anyway.
 
I just don't see wifi/bluetooth whatever and 2.5gbps NIC being a feature worth paying extra for or weighing more. There may be a small number of people that could use that, but most can't or don't need it period. The BT spec in particular changes so often that you're better off buying whatever the latest $20 USB dongle is for it.

At this point though I don't see the value in buying an AM4 board personally. I'd either go intel or wait a little while longer for AM5. Given the current track record, you have a good chance that the first AM5 boards will last you years of new CPU's.
 
For me, it's not about value. I only build myself a computer every 6 or 7 years. So when I shop, I'm only somewhat looking at value, but only due to practical budget reasons. I'm not afraid to spend the money to get something excellent.

With my budget, I was able to consider all the options, at least up to the 5900x if I really wanted.
So instead of focusing on budget, I simply figured that 6 cores just wasn't a perfectly ideal number. 6 x 2 = 12.
Just 12!

But with EIGHT cores, I'm actually getting a total of 16 with SMT enabled. That's a difference of four, is it not?
So I just did the math. If I'm getting 25% more cores, but the price is less than 25% of 5600X's price, then I'm getting a bonus.

However, at the core of this issue is that simple mathematical concept: 1 2 4 8 16 32 and so on.
Such a number progression has always seemed very inherent to modern computing, so I just figured that having eight prepares me for a future where applications commonly use multithreading, with 8 being a very clear average, as opposed to only 4 or 6, or a much higher and more expensive number like a 12 real core CPU with 24 threads total. That sort of monster would be amazing to have, but at such prices, I just have to appreciate a hefty 16. I'm not at all unhappy. My computer feels prepared for "the future."
 
Mchart said:
I just don't see wifi/bluetooth whatever and 2.5gbps NIC being a feature worth paying extra for or weighing more. There may be a small number of people that could use that, but most can't or don't need it period. The BT spec in particular changes so often that you're better off buying whatever the latest $20 USB dongle is for it.
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I would agree on wifi and bluetooth. I could giveAS about that. But 2.5Gbe interested me greatly my and B550 tomahawk included it. I run my own NAS and I'm saturating 1Gbps just with hard drives and that's with encryption on. My next NAS will have SSDs and 1Gbps isn't going to cut it.
 
I just built a 5800x rig for my brother in law. While AM4 is end of life, he still has the option to drop in a 5900x years later really cheap if he needs more threads. Got the 5800x for $329 and an asus x570 tuf for $180. Id say the biggest reason the 5800x is selling like hotcakes is it can drop in so many 3+ year old motherboards with just a bios update. Intel systems require a new board, ram, maybe even OS license if you cant reuse your oem/pro license because of the new board.
 
At ShopRBC in Canada, the most popular looks like the 5600G followed by the i5-10400.
EDIT: I had looked at the stock levels, not the back orders. Looking at the back orders the 12700K is really the most popular. lol
 
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All of you people talking about dropping a 5800X into an X570 or B550 board... And then PRICE COMPARING buying a new ADL rig and an new Ryzen 5800X rig...

You do realize these chips are much more likely to be going into that buttload of existing x470 and b450 motherboards, right?
 
Domingo said:
I needed a new processor last spring and it was the best option at the time. The 5950x is extremely expensive and overkill for my gaming/job needs. I wanted something a little punchier than the 5600x. The 5900x was nonexistent at the time. Microcenter had boatloads of 'em and they were being decently discounted if you bought a MoBo, so it made sense to go for it. In the grand scheme of things, I'm not so sure a 5900x would have made much difference anyway.
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5900x is twice the core count of the 5600x. I think the 5800 is the most popular because it's only a few more $ than 5600 for an extra 25% more threads. They are all good chips, just a different prices/core counts.
 
illli said:
or, if a person is lucky to be near a microcenter, it is $300
https://www.microcenter.com/product...ore-am4-boxed-processor-heatsink-not-included

+ there is a $50 off new customer coupon
https://www.microcenter.com/site/content/specialoffercpu.aspx
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Going to be a tough choice between this or the 5800X3D if the pricing on the normal 5800x is like $250 at time of release of the 3D which will likely be at least $400.
 
Mchart said:
Going to be a tough choice between this or the 5800X3D if the pricing on the normal 5800x is like $250 at time of release of the 3D which will likely be at least $400.
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I have a feeling that the X3D CPU is going to be a unicorn. Kind of like the Intel KS CPUs. If you ever see it, it will be $600+ on ebay.

But I heard in my newsfeed that AMD might launch Zen 4 over the summer instead of Q4 (grain of salt). So maybe they aren't putting a lot of effort into these either.
 
I hope not, the 5800X3D will get along my X470 build for another few years at least given it will be like moving to a new generation of CPU's again almost for some games.
 
NattyKathy said:
I built a 5800X system the same week that Alder Lake came out- even knowing all the specs/performance/price details about AL ahead of time from the leaks. I could have waited literally one day and gotten a 12700K instead but I went with the "safe" option because even though it's costing me a bit of performance, it's also potentially saved me stress.

Clearly a lot of people are getting great results with their AL systems but there are also a lot of threads around the web with software compatibility issues, performance issues, memory issues, motherboard issues, heat issues. And I don't point that out to knock AL specifically- it's just a thing with new platforms. Zen 3 had launch issues too but they're pretty much solved now because the platform has had time to mature. NOTHING about AL is mature. New architecture with a very new (for x86) heterogeneous core design, new IMC, new memory, new PCIe, new chipset, new socket... I can't remember the last time Intel changed that many things all at once. Maybe Willamette on Socket 423 with RDRAM?

My point being, I think a lot of folks may be holding off for Raptor Lake to go with Intel at this point. A 5800X is an extremely safe bet- you drop it in a B550 board with an AiO and some 3600MT DDR4 and it just works, and near its peak performance without a ton of tuning and fretting. That can't be guaranteed with Alder Lake- which isn't to say AL is bad or inferior, just that's it's got a lot of complicating factors going on that may make it a less attractive choice than benchmarks and price imply.
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Even Wiliamette didn't have a new OS that was recommended, since it launched in late 2000, and XP didn't drop till late 2001. This is why I didn't buy AL - it looks like a REALLY good architecture, but I don't have a pressing need right now, and transitional architectures like this are sometimes worth skipping to let the early adopter tax pass. If I really needed an Intel system I'd buy one, don't get me wrong, but my Z490/10700K is just fine still.
LukeTbk said:
Seem to be what I thought, not really cheaper at the end, but in example:

Maybe on some newer revision or maybe stuff few could use but you would have but that Z690 would have over the x570, I think after a quick comp has difference outside way more PCI express connectivity and M.2 slots:

Wifi 6 2x2 / ax ?
Bluetooth v5.2
USB 3.2 Gen 2x2
2.5 gigabit ethernet
An iGPU (which in today world feel less irrelevant considering the price of a simple emergency GPU, it is a nice plus to have, specially for when those system end up has server/htpc/x.. in their second life)

Which is not enough to go clearly one way or another value wise, but give the edge feature wise to the z690 platform, while superb maturity of the AM4 platform and x570 in particular would make me go that way I think, it is not like Intel has an history of making their chipset long-lived anyway.
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You can get the top 3 with an add-in card easily enough, the fourth is often available on X570 boards too (or older even), and the iGPU is an oddity that may or may not matter.
 
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You can, I bought a luxobarge f150 with a 36 gallons tank partly to drive to the one in Dallas and back without refueling until the next day. It has worked every time since January 2016 except in July 2021 there was a storm that slowed traffic to 4th gear speeds and a fatal wreck on the way back on I-635 en route back to I-30. Crap like this is why I bought an automatic truck.
 
Mchart said:
I hope not, the 5800X3D will get along my X470 build for another few years at least given it will be like moving to a new generation of CPU's again almost for some games.
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I too was looking to swap in the x3d and sell my regular 5800x.
 
Having an iGPU is handy at the moment. It allows you to build a functional PC while trying to get the GPU you really want without settling for what's readily available. Especially if you're selling your own card while prices are high. It's also nice for RMA situations. When my 3090 died, I was able to borrow my wife's card since she her MoBo had an integrated option.
It's not that important most of the time, but I wish I had it just in case.
 
Wade88 said:
You can, I bought a luxobarge f150 with a 36 gallons tank partly to drive to the one in Dallas and back without refueling until the next day. It has worked every time since January 2016 except in July 2021 there was a storm that slowed traffic to 4th gear speeds and a fatal wreck on the way back on I-635 en route back to I-30. Crap like this is why I bought an automatic truck.
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I think the operative word was "simply." Nothing about what you're describing sounds simple ;).
 
kirbyrj said:
I think the operative word was "simply." Nothing about what you're describing sounds simple ;).
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Yes it is. The day before you fill the truck up and then the next day you get up early and drive on the Interstate Highway system for 330 miles. Then you go shopping at Micro Center and retrace your route (nearly) to get back. It's very simple and way faster than waiting on places like B&H and things that are OOS on Amazon to dribble in over the course of a week or four. Maybe it would be simple for you too if you had a vehicle that was comfortable to drive long distances. This one has an automatic transmission, 4wd, and adaptive cruise control with blind spot detection and lane keeping assistance. It has a 360 camera too so it's not a pain to park at Micro Center.
 
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Wade88 said:
Yes it is. The day before you fill the truck up and then the next day you get up early and drive on the Interstate Highway system for 330 miles. Then you go shopping at Micro Center and retrace your route (nearly) to get back. It's very simple and way faster than waiting on places like B&H and things that are OOS on Amazon to dribble in over the course of a week or four. Maybe it would be simple for you too if you had a vehicle that was comfortable to drive long distances.
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I'm rarely in a position where I need something immediately. If it trickles into stock within a week, I still have a backup.

The REAL cost of driving 330 miles at the 2022 mileage rate of $0.585 = $193.05. I'm 208 miles round trip, so $121.68. I don't personally buy enough to save almost $121 in order to justify the trip. If I'm in the area doing something else, sure, I'll stop in and shop.

I drive somewhere between 100-300 miles a day at work. The LAST thing I want to do in my free time is drive the 208 miles round trip to MC when I could save myself the time and wear, tear, and gas on my vehicle just ordering from somewhere else online.

So...not so simple :p.
 
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