Amazon’s New World game is bricking GeForce RTX 3090 graphics cards

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It's a tight fit for me, the fiber card eats up some of the space back there but not at the end like you have it. With the tubing connected there's really no good way for me to get something in place now.
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As an EVGA 3090 owner I can tell you the stock cooling is crap....play any demanding game and the backside gets hot enough to burn you if you don't have a fan zip tied to it
 
Based on Jays video, even some AMD cards and other models of NV cards were dying from this.
Just cause it happens to AMD doesn't mean it's the games fault. You don't think that AMD isn't pushing their cards to their limit to get better benchmark results for reviews? It isn't just Nvidia. How many GTX, Vega, and RX 5700's you see dying form this? Probably not many.
 
Just cause it happens to AMD doesn't mean it's the games fault. You don't think that AMD isn't pushing their cards to their limit to get better benchmark results for reviews? It isn't just Nvidia. How many GTX, Vega, and RX 5700's you see dying form this? Probably not many.

I don't think this has anything to do with pushing the card to the limit. There are some very demanding games out there that are not cooking any GPU.

Also, not saying it's the games fault, but it may be more wide spread than just the 3090 FTW3
 
I'm glad he said something because he's the only one who knows how a graphics card is effected by something like this.
As he mentioned fuses blowing are subtle. When a fuse blows and there is a pop it most likely blew because a power stage just crowbared. The fuse just prevents a fire! Transistors are THE fastest fuse!

Kind of weird this hasn't happened up to this point.
I don't play games in that capacity but now it makes me want to try it on a system hooked up to lots of equipment to see what's going on.
 
This is crazy people reporting 9000+ FPS in the menu's then a massive power spike followed by a pop, I would imagine that there are a number of transistors on that card that just aren't designed to handle the kind of load that those insane FPS's would place on it. So it's a Firmware issue for sure because there should be a frame limiter in there to prevent such extreme values from ever being reached as an internal safety measure to protect the components. But it's also a game bug because really..... I don't think I have ever seen a menu screen reach OVER 9000!!!! FPS before. It's just the perfect shit storm really and that is beautiful in its terribleness for those users, who I genuinely feel bad for because they could potentially be without cards for a long while they wait for their replacements, assuming that EVGA doesn't just send them cheques for the cards in place of actual replacements.
 
I might have misunderstood you, but the claim is that some of these cards are no longer working (even after reboot).

The last time we had a problem with this (cards exceeding factory power spec high enough to nuke ,motherboards) was the RX 480.

Are you telling me that the 3090 running on 3x8 pin connectors somehow doesn't have enough spare wattage to go 10% over spec? The most heavily-overclocked models still use a little over 400w peak.

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/asus-geforce-rtx-3090-strix-oc/29.html'

That still allows 25% leeway (525w max).
 
The last time we had a problem with this (cards exceeding factory power spec high enough to nuke ,motherboards) was the RX 480.

Are you telling me that the 3090 running on 3x8 pin connectors somehow doesn't have enough spare wattage to go 10% over spec? The most heavily-overclocked models still use a little over 400w peak.

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/asus-geforce-rtx-3090-strix-oc/29.html'

That still allows 25% leeway (525w max).
Are you responding to me? I dont know anything about what you are talking about. The claim is that there are 3090's that crashed during amazon's new world and no longer function. That's the claim. As far as i know there has not been a careful autopsy to reveal the problem yet.
 
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This is crazy people reporting 9000+ FPS in the menu's then a massive power spike followed by a pop, I would imagine that there are a number of transistors on that card that just aren't designed to handle the kind of load that those insane FPS's would place on it. So it's a Firmware issue for sure because there should be a frame limiter in there to prevent such extreme values from ever being reached as an internal safety measure to protect the components. But it's also a game bug because really..... I don't think I have ever seen a menu screen reach OVER 9000!!!! FPS before. It's just the perfect shit storm really and that is beautiful in its terribleness for those users, who I genuinely feel bad for because they could potentially be without cards for a long while they wait for their replacements, assuming that EVGA doesn't just send them cheques for the cards in place of actual replacements.
Just as a power amplifier can go into self destruct mode if its output terminals are suddenly unloaded (speaker removed, fuse blown, et-al). There are different ways to prevent this. Looks like they are going to need to rethink this or employ some sort of adaptive frame limiting that's enforced regardless of user input/settings.

I do know there are (old) 3D programs that when run on my 3090 sets the card into a squealing frenzy. It reminds me of those ultrasonic rodent repelling devices (that really don't keep them away LOL). It doesn't sound good and probably isn't. I've never seen the frame rate as high as 8K but 2-3K is quite common.
 
The last time we had a problem with this (cards exceeding factory power spec high enough to nuke ,motherboards) was the RX 480.

Are you telling me that the 3090 running on 3x8 pin connectors somehow doesn't have enough spare wattage to go 10% over spec? The most heavily-overclocked models still use a little over 400w peak.

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/asus-geforce-rtx-3090-strix-oc/29.html'

That still allows 25% leeway (525w max).
It isn't clear what's causing the issue but all it takes is one component that can't handle the load and regardless of why it's happening some cards are reportedly dying.
 
This is crazy people reporting 9000+ FPS in the menu's then a massive power spike followed by a pop, I would imagine that there are a number of transistors on that card that just aren't designed to handle the kind of load that those insane FPS's would place on it. So it's a Firmware issue for sure because there should be a frame limiter in there to prevent such extreme values from ever being reached as an internal safety measure to protect the components. But it's also a game bug because really..... I don't think I have ever seen a menu screen reach OVER 9000!!!! FPS before. It's just the perfect shit storm really and that is beautiful in its terribleness for those users, who I genuinely feel bad for because they could potentially be without cards for a long while they wait for their replacements, assuming that EVGA doesn't just send them cheques for the cards in place of actual replacements.
It's not the FPS by itself.

I Just ran Path of Exile at 800W TDP (shunt mod) and GI shadows Ultra and I got this.

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The last time we had a problem with this (cards exceeding factory power spec high enough to nuke ,motherboards) was the RX 480.

Are you telling me that the 3090 running on 3x8 pin connectors somehow doesn't have enough spare wattage to go 10% over spec? The most heavily-overclocked models still use a little over 400w peak.

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/asus-geforce-rtx-3090-strix-oc/29.html'

That still allows 25% leeway (525w max).

The PCI-E sig is VERY loosely specced for those cables. Those things aren't even remotely close to getting hot enough to be an issue. I don't recall such thing happening in ages outside of some internal short circuits, which don't tend to happen often. In that case, it's not the cable's fault but the PSU's for setting the OCP too high.

That's how the 295x2 pulled more power than the stock 3090 while using only 2x 8-pin, and it's never been a problem for the card. The 1500i I own, has OCP around 40a per cable. That equals to 420W for just one cable, which is about the actual melting point of it in case of a short. This was proven by JonnyGuru back in the day, who also worked on the design of the 1500i.

Shunt mods are unrelated to this topic. You already void the warranty and murder the second hand value while creating a potential short circuit point on the back of your card. You should be worried about those things beforehand. You're taking an objectively pointless risk for the sake of pulling more performance out of a card that can run most things at ultra.
 
The last time we had a problem with this (cards exceeding factory power spec high enough to nuke ,motherboards) was the RX 480.

Totally never an issue. Never! AMD/AIB partners totally hasn't had a habit of over volting cards from the factory either.

I really should test my rx 480 Sapphire Nitro cards on newer mobos and see how they run now. The joys of the pcie power spec issue along with uefi bios vs non uefi mobos.
 
EVGA confirms it's replacing all its RTX 3090s killed by Amazon's New World MMO

EVGA has confirmed to us that every one of its GeForce RTX 3090 cards that have been killed by issues with the New World MMO closed beta will be replaced by the company: "Yes, all failed 3090’s are being replaced," a spokesman for the company has said

when it comes to RMA-ing the card with EVGA's support system, there is reportedly also now a specific 'New World' category when it comes to giving the reason for the return of the faulty graphics card...

https://www.pcgamer.com/evga-confirms-new-world-rtx-3090-rmas/
 
EVGA confirms it's replacing all its RTX 3090s killed by Amazon's New World MMO

EVGA has confirmed to us that every one of its GeForce RTX 3090 cards that have been killed by issues with the New World MMO closed beta will be replaced by the company: "Yes, all failed 3090’s are being replaced," a spokesman for the company has said

The developer, Amazon Games Studios, has now released a hotfix which clamps the FPS in the menu without affecting the rest of the game, despite assuring gamers that the closed beta was "safe to play" regardless of any patch...

https://www.pcgamer.com/evga-confirms-new-world-rtx-3090-rmas/
If EVGA could hurry the fuck up on my que that would be great....Been waiting since October of 2020. I guess being an "Elite" member aint all its cracked up to be.
 
Evga steps up(No pun intended) and answers the call. Who if any other AIBs will follow suit? Or should i say amazon lawsuit 😆 you know its coming.
 
I don't think this has anything to do with pushing the card to the limit. There are some very demanding games out there that are not cooking any GPU.

Also, not saying it's the games fault, but it may be more wide spread than just the 3090 FTW3
What exactly is a demanding game? Anyone remember Intel's AVX killing their CPU's by using a special Prime95 with AVX instructions? We all blamed Prime95 for using AVX when in reality Intel was putting a feature into their CPU's that weren't exactly ready for public use? This is why I referenced Doom 3 because when Doom 3 was released it would stress graphic cards differently than any other game before it. Far Cry was also released in 2004 and one could say that game was demanding in it's own right, but Doom 3 was different and used hardware differently, which caused some cards to artifact and crash. Whatever New World is doing it's putting stress onto the GPU very differently than any game before it. I do believe it's exposing a flaw in some cards either in power management, or not enough cooling on VRM's and etc, or the components are too weak to handled what these cards can demand.

EVGA confirms it's replacing all its RTX 3090s killed by Amazon's New World MMO

EVGA has confirmed to us that every one of its GeForce RTX 3090 cards that have been killed by issues with the New World MMO closed beta will be replaced by the company: "Yes, all failed 3090’s are being replaced," a spokesman for the company has said

when it comes to RMA-ing the card with EVGA's support system, there is reportedly also now a specific 'New World' category when it comes to giving the reason for the return of the faulty graphics card...

https://www.pcgamer.com/evga-confirms-new-world-rtx-3090-rmas/
If I were a EVGA owner I would just RMA the card you're using right now. It has a flaw and just claim the card died and you want a replacement. It could take months or even a year before you get a replacement so just RMA it and hope they send you one where they fixed the flaw.
 
It isn't clear what's causing the issue but all it takes is one component that can't handle the load and regardless of why it's happening some cards are reportedly dying.
sure man - back in the day Furmark killed some early gpus (before they all added protections), so I guess this is possible for the most power-hungry single card NVIDIA has ever built
 
If I were a EVGA owner I would just RMA the card you're using right now. It has a flaw and just claim the card died and you want a replacement. It could take months or even a year before you get a replacement so just RMA it and hope they send you one where they fixed the flaw.

I have an EVGA 3080 FTW3 Ultra...I wonder if I could try getting an RMA...maybe they'll send me a 3080 Ti back :D
 
If I were a EVGA owner I would just RMA the card you're using right now. It has a flaw and just claim the card died and you want a replacement. It could take months or even a year before you get a replacement so just RMA it and hope they send you one where they fixed the flaw.
Except thats not the case. They are already shipping replacements as they have stock pulled back for RMAs already so the can support their customers.
 
No, it's not on topic at all. Please learn what a shunt mod does. Did you even look at the picture? He's pulling 311W, not 800W lol.
A Shunt mod makes the software think it is running at lower wattage and display that. You need to learn how it works before insulting others.
 
A Shunt mod makes the software think it is running at lower wattage and display that. You need to learn how it works before insulting others.

I didn't "insult" you. A shunt modded card goes beyond board power limitations, and if it displays LOWER on software end, what the heck is even your point? This thread is about regular cards. For the majority of 3090 users, a shunt modded card's results are IRRELEVANT. End of topic.
 
I didn't "insult" you. A shunt modded card goes beyond board power limitations, and if it displays LOWER on software end, what the heck is even your point? This thread is about regular cards. For the majority of 3090 users, a shunt modded card's results are IRRELEVANT. End of topic.
It displays lower because the software thinks it is, to stop it from tripping the power limiter. The point is he's showing wattage isn't necessarily the issue. That's the relevance. Not end of topic just because you want to storm off.
 
It displays lower because the software thinks it is, to stop it from tripping the power limiter. The point is he's showing wattage isn't necessarily the issue. That's the relevance. Not end of topic just because you want to storm off.

It would have been the end of this shunt mod topic in particular if you wanted to be less much of a spin doctor. He showing getting 9000 FPS is not 10 o'clock news, limit your FPS so this doesn't happen. There is your relevance. Kapish?
 
It would have been the end of this shunt mod topic in particular if you wanted to be less much of a spin doctor. He showing getting 9000 FPS is not 10 o'clock news, limit your FPS so this doesn't happen. There is your relevance. Kapish?
its "capisce" but yes limiting the fps to, lets say, double your monitor refresh should stop this. they(oem) will still need to figure out what component is popping though.
 
Okay, so taco so confused. What difference does it make if gpu fully loaded at 50fps or 9000fps. Their are bloody gazillion gpus out there in hands of low budget gamers that are pegged at 100% all the time! You don't hear them braking!!

You mean 3099 is so powerful that it runs everything at 60% load on ultra nd anything above that will blow up? What kind of gibberish is that, mate? Their never meant to run 100% load?
It isn't the total load, it is some specific component, what is unknown yet. Cards aren't a monolithic thing a "100%" loaded card could mane the framebuffer is maxed, or the shaders, or the memory copy, etc. Different things can be a limiting factor. So this is stressing something in a way that hasn't been done before and wasn't properly planned for, thus causing a problem.

An imperfect analogy might be take a Uhaul truck: You buy one of their huge trucks and it is rated to haul several tons... but if you stack even 100 pounds on the gear shift lever, it'll snap off. The truck as a whole is nowhere near capacity, but you overstressed one component and that broke.
 
Wonder what kind of coil whine those 9000+ fps brings out, I remember The Witcher's menu creating some good squeel on a previous card of mine when it went to like 2000 fps :D
 
Did y'all forget, this is [H]

If you don't blow a card or CPU up once in awhile, you're doing it wrong...

lol.. anyway

Seems to primarily be the EVGA 3090 ftw3 card. EVGA is replacing them, even for 3rd party buyers. Good on EVGA. Who is gonna get screwed? If any other 3090's have the same issue and were bought off eBay/scalper, the buyer probably isn't going to have any warranty...

Software bug exposes that the hardware overcurrent protection isn't robust enough or not implemented properly (what I took from buildzoids video). Chances are not every single card exposed to the game is dying.. but this shows how close to the bleeding edge the manufacturers are designing these cards. A part or 2 just at the edge or outside the range of its' specs is all it would take to cause this to happen. The overcurrent protection circuits use a few external resistors/caps to configure the circuit. So just one of those out of spec by a little bit, circuit doesn't trip soon enough and instead you got a fuse popping. The good news for EVGA is that those are quick and easy SMT repairs, assuming no other damaged components.

Do we know how widespread this is? i.e. how many cards when subjected to the torture game fail? This would be a good piece of information.

Got a 3090Fe myself just recently. Plan to replace the TIM with Thermalright Odyssey 12.8w/mK + Kryonaut on the GPU. Maybe here in just a little bit, already got the new thermal pads cut into all the required sizes, just need to get brave enough to disassemble my 3090FE... Watched the how-to video twice, I think I will do it after one last review.
You should set the FPS cap in the nVidia control panel to 3fps below your LCD's max anyway, this prevents screen tearing when the gpu runs faster than the G-Sync range of the LCD Panel.
 
The reports of cards crashing or dying quickly after opening a menu makes me think that it might not be the overall load that's the issue so much as how quickly it ramps up the load.

The bad car analogy would be having plenty of traction and horsepower but a weak link in the transmission that can break by accelerating quickly in a low gear.
 
The reports of cards crashing or dying quickly after opening a menu makes me think that it might not be the overall load that's the issue so much as how quickly it ramps up the load.

The bad car analogy would be having plenty of traction and horsepower but a weak link in the transmission that can break by accelerating quickly in a low gear.
Pretty much. Funny thing is the Hellcat will break the driveshaft with factory power levels if you run drag slicks. In this case, however, the warranty has specific language excluding that type of abuse.
 
Pretty much. Funny thing is the Hellcat will break the driveshaft with factory power levels if you run drag slicks. In this case, however, the warranty has specific language excluding that type of abuse.

There is more than one Hellcat, and no it's not a definite that you will break the driveshaft with drag slicks. That sounds like some story you'd hear from people who abuse their cars like idiots. I recall hearing something similar, but then again that can indeed happen if you go around driving the car like a madman on a track (say jumps).

Transmissions breaking is a lot more common down dragways, because the cars get insane amounts of power through gearboxes such as Turbo 400, which are also found in moderate power level muscle oldies.

Of course, this is getting off topic. I think the concept of why cards are being loaded heavily here is easy to understand, no need for poor car analogies.
 
A Shunt mod makes the software think it is running at lower wattage and display that. You need to learn how it works before insulting others.

Whoa whoa whoa both of you now....
I'm pulling 311W. I already corrected the power readings with a 2x multiplier in hwinfo. The 311W is my real reading,
 
reddit thread on cards bricking

Looks Like it's bricking a huge range of cards. Some that I've seen gamers report complete bricking on:

970gtx
980ti
2070
2080ti
3090 (dozens of ftw3 evga, several gigabyte, asus, msi)

vega 56
vega 64

Other than Hardware being bricked, game is causing hard resets on essentially all gpu architectures from 900 series to 3000 series, and vega to 6000 series.

This is absolutely nuts.
 
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