Rumor : Nvidia's RTX 3080 Ti Might Also Have A Mining Limiter

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https://www.tomshardware.com/news/rtx-3080-ti-3070-ti-ethereum-limiter
"A well-known leaker with a stellar track record believes that Nvidia is planning to extend its Ethereum mining limiter, currently found in the RTX 3060 12GB, into the rumored RTX 3080 Ti. VideoCardz has also confirmed that Nvidia informed AIB partners that the mining limiter would be coming to the RTX 3080 Ti, making rumors for the existence of the RTX 3080 Ti even more likely".



I would hope for the sake of the PC Gaming community that this turns out to be true.
 
Krenum said:
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/rtx-3080-ti-3070-ti-ethereum-limiter
"A well-known leaker with a stellar track record believes that Nvidia is planning to extend its Ethereum mining limiter, currently found in the RTX 3060 12GB, into the rumored RTX 3080 Ti. VideoCardz has also confirmed that Nvidia informed AIB partners that the mining limiter would be coming to the RTX 3080 Ti, making rumors for the existence of the RTX 3080 Ti even more likely".



I would hope for the sake of the PC Gaming community that this turns out to be true.
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Even if it is one that could eventually be bypassed by hacking the bios I would still take it as a win, it would slow down the initial mining craze purchasing of the cards.
 
zehoo said:
Meanwhile out the backdoor they'll probably sell miners cards in bulk with a working bios.
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No, they really want to push them on the CMP HX cards which are pretty cut down versions of other things and honestly can't really sell as something else. It would be a good way for them to pass off their failed parts
 
Lakados said:
they really want to push them on the CMP HX cards which are pretty cut down versions of other things and honestly can't really sell as something else
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You really think their yields are so bad that they're somehow able to salvage gaming-incapable cards into mining variants?

I'd wager cash money on Nvidia selling them good, working glass no matter what, and I'm even more positive that they're selling gaming cards to miners, because mining-specific cards have no resale value.

This whole thing is just a marketing campaign to make gamers think that Nvidia's got their backs even when they're taking away the main tool that gamers have to offset costs on their own.
 
Axman said:
You really think their yields are so bad that they're somehow able to salvage gaming-incapable cards into mining variants?

I'd wager cash money on Nvidia selling them good, working glass no matter what, and I'm even more positive that they're selling gaming cards to miners, because mining-specific cards have no resale value.

This whole thing is just a marketing campaign to make gamers think that Nvidia's got their backs even when they're taking away the main tool that gamers have to offset costs on their own.
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Yeah no... I just did some research on them and they are based on Turing done on TSMC 12nm so they are a new product line. So I was way off base there, the question is are they leftover Turing failures or a new chip variant. But I would much rather those be super cheap/effective/desirable to miners than the 3000 series stuff. If they offer them up priced below gaming cards then they don't need resale value, if they are buying $500 gaming GPU's with the hope of selling them at $150 some 2 years down the line all they need to do is come in at $350 on the mining-specific one and the TCO comes in the same. I'm sure some number crunchers over at NVidia have done some of the math on how they could make it work because the news I am hearing is showing NVidia pretty mad at some of their AIB's who have been dealing under the table to 3'rd parties directly and never letting their shipments hit the retail channel.
 
A well-known leaker with a stellar track record
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Lakados said:
Even if it is one that could eventually be bypassed by hacking the bios I would still take it as a win, it would slow down the initial mining craze purchasing of the cards.
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I believe this. If they can’t use “I’ll make the purchase price back as mining profit” rationale, some folks won’t be able to make the mental leap of spending their Biden bucks on a $1000 video card.
 
Randall Stephens said:
I believe this. If they can’t use “I’ll make the purchase price back as mining profit” rationale, some folks won’t be able to make the mental leap of spending their Biden bucks on a $1000 video card.
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Not even that, not many miners would be willing to shell out MSRP let alone scalper pricing on the idea that in the future they may be able to break the locks, they might get one to try it but certainly not 50 when there are tailor-made cards available or other options, they will wait until somebody else has done the work and by the time that happens hopefully, they have moved onto easier alternatives.
 
I dont think its going to matter, Miners will still buy them no matter what, cause you cant buy cards.

And even if they gimp it 50% like the 3060, it will still be profitable.

Say there is a 3080 TI at $900 MSRP, vs a 3080 @ current market $2k price, The gimped 3080 TI will still turn a 10-11 month ROI, vs if someone was goign to buy the 3080 at full market price, thats a 10 or so month ROI right now.
 
kenpomasta said:
I dont think its going to matter, Miners will still buy them no matter what, cause you cant buy cards.

And even if they gimp it 50% like the 3060, it will still be profitable.

Say there is a 3080 TI at $900 MSRP, vs a 3080 @ current market $2k price, The gimped 3080 TI will still turn a 10-11 month ROI, vs if someone was goign to buy the 3080 at full market price, thats a 10 or so month ROI right now.
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Right but if that same hash rate can be achieved on a $300 turning-based mining card instead? that is only available to miners on bulk purchasing.
 
rinaldo00 said:
If Nvidia was really serious about making mining cards they would create them with no video output and reduce the price.
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not knowing all the details on the "CMP" cards yet its hard to say but that sounds like exactly what their plan is
 
rinaldo00 said:
If Nvidia was really serious about making mining cards they would create them with no video output and reduce the price.
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Like their announced CMP HX lineup, no display output, modified Turing so it’s not competing for node space with the 3000’s and draws between 85-125w depending on the model and available NVidia direct at bulk purchase pricing?

looks to be based on modified 1660’s and 2060 supers.
 
IMO the best alternative from point of view of everyone I think instead of the separate CMP line and lack of gaming capability I think they should simply target the previous generation cards for miners but don't cripple the cards but lock latest generation of cards out of mining until a new series has arrived and allow manually unlocking of mining on locked cards at that time (will be automatically unlocked on new cards shipped after the launch day of latest generation cards).

Then miners won't be stuck with useless cards once mining boom eventually wears off again, gamers can buy latest cards which is win-win for Nvidia to push customers towards the latest stuff and technology (also good for game developers) and Nvidia will have an easier way to maximize profit and get more profit out of older cards. Since miners and gamers would be using entirely different chips they aren't directly competing with each other for availability etc.
 
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Lakados said:
Not even that, not many miners would be willing to shell out MSRP let alone scalper pricing on the idea that in the future they may be able to break the locks
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Miners pay the manufacturers a premium over MSRP in order to get priority access to the cards, so yeah, they will pay extra.

Likewise they will pay for semi-custom cards that aren’t nerfed, and they’ll get them.

This will *only* affect gamers who mine on the side.
 
IndyColtsFan said:
Exactly. At this stage, I fully anticipate I will still be running my 1080Ti at the end of the year.
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I'll be running my 1080Ti (or 3060 depending on how you look at it) for several years at this point, nor will I own a new console past my Xbox One X...........until these things are loafing on store shelves I'm enjoying years of back catalogs and replays because frankly there isn't shit out there I'm desperate to update to next-next-gen for. No sense overpaying for "more of the same".
 
Axman said:
Miners pay the manufacturers a premium over MSRP in order to get priority access to the cards, so yeah, they will pay extra.

Likewise they will pay for semi-custom cards that aren’t nerfed, and they’ll get them.

This will *only* affect gamers who mine on the side.
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Yeah MSI and other AIB’s dealing under the table miner direct, not full scalper prices but certainly above MSRP. Not sure what I was thinking when I posted that, no way they are selling anything with a discount knowing the street prices for it. Makes me wish NVidia could punish them in some way for doing it but they can’t... but people who want to mine on the side can always buy AMD cards, they aren’t artificially locked down.
 
HeadRusch said:
I'll be running my 1080Ti (or 3060 depending on how you look at it) for several years at this point, nor will I own a new console past my Xbox One X...........until these things are loafing on store shelves I'm enjoying years of back catalogs and replays because frankly there isn't shit out there I'm desperate to update to next-next-gen for. No sense overpaying for "more of the same".
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The current situation is totally unacceptable IMO. Why bother releasing new hardware if no one can realistically get it at MSRP?

And you're right about playing a backlog of games - I just wanted a new system because mine is getting older and I wanted new toys to play with, but I absolutely refuse to pay scalper prices. A small finder fee, maybe. Paying double or triple MSRP? No way.
 
IndyColtsFan said:
The current situation is totally unacceptable IMO. Why bother releasing new hardware if no one can realistically get it at MSRP?
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I agree. But in reality its only unacceptable to the people who refuse to pay these ridiculous prices. All other parties are making a killing.
 
Krenum said:
I agree. But in reality its only unacceptable to the people who refuse to pay these ridiculous prices. All other parties are making a killing.
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It's a shame people are willingly enabling scalpers and none of the vendors seem to seriously try to stop it. Oh well. I'll spend my money elsewhere.
 
IndyColtsFan said:
It's a shame people are willingly enabling scalpers and none of the vendors doesn't even seem to seriously try to stop it. Oh well. I'll spend my money elsewhere.
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Yep, that's pretty much where I'm at too. I'll spend it on other things, but lately I've just been saving it. The only thing I buy now days is gas and food.
 
kirbyrj said:
I don't know why people are for this. Why would anyone want the manufacturer to tell you how you should use their product after you own it?
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It's simple really. Leave it alone and miners will buy up all stock for eternity. Limit mining and maybe the average consumer has a chance to buy the card. Now that nvidia will be making mining-centric cards, it is their interest as well to limit mining on gaming cards. Yes it hurts those gamers who also do mining. It is theoretically a way to help address the complete lack of availability that cannot otherwise be solved.

Also this is not after you own it, you'll know up front that it will be limited for mining. If nvidia bricked existing cards (not sure how they do this without a crypto locker style global attack) until you installed an anti-mining bios, then that argument would hold water. Miners can continue to buy existing 3k series cards or the mining specific ones.
 
kirbyrj said:
I don't know why people are for this. Why would anyone want the manufacturer to tell you how you should use their product after you own it?
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Doesn't seem to be affecting Oculus Quest 2 sales...
 
Axman said:
But miners don't want mining-specific cards. These don't have value on the used market. They want gaming cards which can be re-sold.
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Exactly my point, so this leads to two possible futures. One is miners buy everything as they are now, and gamers will be left with ONLY buying miner cards once they are a generation or two old. This sucks because gamers will have a future of no warranties and only outdated & abused tech. Two is nvidia limits mining on the gaming cards, and too bad for miners they will have to eat their costs and reduce some of their profits when the cards are done mining. The second also favors nvidia more as the second hand market gets them nothing.
 
RPGWiZaRD said:
IMO the best alternative from point of view of everyone I think instead of the separate CMP line and lack of gaming capability I think they should simply target the previous generation cards for miners but don't cripple the cards but lock latest generation of cards out of mining until a new series has arrived and allow manually unlocking of mining on locked cards at that time (will be automatically unlocked on new cards shipped after the launch day of latest generation cards).

Then miners won't be stuck with useless cards once mining boom eventually wears off again, gamers can buy latest cards which is win-win for Nvidia to push customers towards the latest stuff and technology (also good for game developers) and Nvidia will have an easier way to maximize profit and get more profit out of older cards. Since miners and gamers would be using entirely different chips they aren't directly competing with each other for availability etc.
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In theory that makes sense, but I have a feeling that Nvidia doesn't mind selling to miners. The number of high-end PC users spending $1,000 plus for a video card is a drop in the bucket compared to the large scale mining operations buying hundreds of cards. Not to mention the casual miners buying 10 or less cards. A couple of my friends who have no interest in gaming at all have 15 to 20 cards between them mining.

If the price of etherium crashes hard, wait until you see the amount of used cards on the market. Everyone will have cards to spare.

And if I am a miner looking for a bang for the buck, why would I want the previous generation which hashes slower and uses more power than the current one?
 
kirbyrj said:
In theory that makes sense, but I have a feeling that Nvidia doesn't mind selling to miners. The number of high-end PC users spending $1,000 plus for a video card is a drop in the bucket compared to the large scale mining operations buying hundreds of cards. Not to mention the casual miners buying 10 or less cards. A couple of my friends who have no interest in gaming at all have 15 to 20 cards between them mining.

If the price of etherium crashes hard, wait until you see the amount of used cards on the market. Everyone will have cards to spare.

And if I am a miner looking for a bang for the buck, why would I want the previous generation which hashes slower and uses more power than the current one?
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The power efficiency on the proposed mining cards doesn't look terrible and they are built on an uncontested node, but Etherium 2.0 is on track and then GPU mining on it stalls off so they will move over to newer coins that mine faster at this stage so they will pay off there probably.
 
I think as long as Cryptos are a thing, the days of discrete powerful GPU's being available for non-mining operations.....well.......they may be in the past. I'm waiting for the Consoles to get their chance at doing this type of stuff.....then those will be ghosted too.
 
Lakados said:
The power efficiency on the proposed mining cards doesn't look terrible and they are built on an uncontested node, but Etherium 2.0 is on track and then GPU mining on it stalls off so they will move over to newer coins that mine faster at this stage so they will pay off there probably.
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No, it's pretty terrible. To put in perspective, a 3060Ti/3070/RX6800 will do 60MH at 120W. According to the Nvidia spec sheet, the 125W card only does 26MH. The 320W 90HX card does 86MH when a 3080 will do 100MH at 230W and a 3090 will do 120MH at 300W.

I don't see why miners would bother with these... Supposedly the 320W one is essentially a 3080, so I'd assume that there is the ability to tweak the settings to hash more efficiently, but that's the only one that's Ampere based. Turing hash rates and efficiency were terrible compared to Navi. A 5700/5700xt will do 50MH at 100W. The Turing based 50HX card is 45MH at 250W.

Plus, the "crypto limiter" is only good for Ethereum. Sure, once Eth 2.0 takes off, ethereum mining will not be as profitable, but something comes along to take its place. I've been doing this since the first BTC days...all of a sudden with ASICs then everyone moved to LTC...Now ETH.
 
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