10850K for $240 or wait for Rocketlake or get a 5900x (First upgrade in 10 years)

crazycrave said:
I had a early Ryzen 5 3600 and it would unlock to 4.4Ghz (+200 in auto overclock) so an AIO cooler was better at keeping the cpu pushing pass the 4.2Ghz cap and ran more like a 3700x in gaming .
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But if I get an AIO thats risk of it leaking and damaging my computer and then the stupid maintenance you gotta do. Air cooling is set and forget. I kinda regret the 10850K now. It seems getting to 5.0 all cores will require AIO which i really don't want to get for the reasions I mentioned
 
edo101 said:
https://www.newegg.com/black-phante...-tower/p/N82E16811854101?Item=N82E16811854101
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If that's the case, you can use just about anything. You have plenty of room to play with.

I wouldn't worry too much about getting to 5Ghz all core. The reality is you won't notice a big difference between 4.8 and 5.0, especially if it hits a lower speed with a lot less voltage.

A big dual tower air cooler is just about as good as a 240mm AIO. Something like a D15 or a comparable cooler should get you close to your goals.
 
kirbyrj said:
If that's the case, you can use just about anything. You have plenty of room to play with.

I wouldn't worry too much about getting to 5Ghz all core. The reality is you won't notice a big difference between 4.8 and 5.0, especially if it hits a lower speed with a lot less voltage.

A big dual tower air cooler is just about as good as a 240mm AIO. Something like a D15 or a comparable cooler should get you close to your goals.
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Being so close to 5.0Ghz I know I'd want 5.0ghz on all cores instead of 4.8. Are you saying the D15 will work just as well as an AIO?
 
edo101 said:
Being so close to 5.0Ghz I know I'd want 5.0ghz on all cores instead of 4.8. Are you saying the D15 will work just as well as an AIO?
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D15 is roughly as good as your average 240mm AIO. The trick is making sure you get fresh air into instead of exhaust from your vid card.
 
sabrewolf732 said:
Arctic cooling is the current AIO hotness
https://www.newegg.com/arctic-cooling-liquid-freezer-ii-360-liquid-cooling-system/p/N82E16835186249?Description=arctic cooling AIO&cm_re=arctic_cooling AIO-_-9SIA1K6BBA8487-_-Product&quicklink=true

(note, this is for the 240) https://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/3571-arctic-liquid-freezer-ii-cooler-review-benchmark
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The radiator is thicker. That's why they work slightly better. However, it brings its own set of challenges in fitting them into cases since it is bigger than most AIOs.
 
kirbyrj said:
The radiator is thicker. That's why they work slightly better. However, it brings its own set of challenges in fitting them into cases since it is bigger than most AIOs.
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I only do custom loops so I have no idea lol
 
sabrewolf732 said:
I only do custom loops so I have no idea lol
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kirbyrj said:
The radiator is thicker. That's why they work slightly better. However, it brings its own set of challenges in fitting them into cases since it is bigger than most AIOs.
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The one I linked is refillable: https://www.newegg.com/be-quiet-liquid-cooling-system/p/2YM-0069-00004
And my case is this one: https://www.newegg.com/black-phante...-tower/p/N82E16811854101?Item=N82E16811854101
sabrewolf732
kirbyrj
 
edo101 said:
Now given the case I linked, would it be better to place the radiator fans up top or replace my intake fans with the radiator fans and place the intake fans up top? sabrewolf732
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Everything is a trade off. I.E my loop has the radiator in front (3x140) with fans blowing into the rad. This means it's going to be warmer air than ambient cooling off things like mosfets and ram etc. If I had the rad up top and fans exhausting air through the rad then the air getting pulled across the rad would be warmer than ambient as that air is warmed up by mosfets etc. I don't think it would make a huge difference either way tbh, but with how warm the 10850k can get and your goal of 5+ Ghz I would say mounting the rad in the front with fans as intake would get CPU temps lowest. I would also recommend some sort of active cooling over the mosfets (i.e a fan exhausting out of the top of the case over the mosfets)
 
sabrewolf732 said:
Everything is a trade off. I.E my loop has the radiator in front (3x140) with fans blowing into the rad. This means it's going to be warmer air than ambient cooling off things like mosfets and ram etc. If I had the rad up top and fans exhausting air through the rad then the air getting pulled across the rad would be warmer than ambient as that air is warmed up by mosfets etc. I don't think it would make a huge difference either way tbh, but with how warm the 10850k can get and your goal of 5+ Ghz I would say mounting the rad in the front with fans as intake would get CPU temps lowest. I would also recommend some sort of active cooling over the mosfets (i.e a fan exhausting out of the top of the case over the mosfets)
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sabrewolf732 Well you make it sound like you can make the radiator fans act as exhaust fans instead of intake fans. My idea was to have the radiator fans pull air from up top and push it into the pump. No? Never owned an AIO so I don't know how they work lol
 
I have the fans pull cool air in through the front of the case and over the components. These fans also supply air for the AIO. I have a push-pull setup for the AIO radiator at the top of the case. The air flows through the radiator fins and exhausts out from the top of the case.
 
edo101 said:
sabrewolf732 Well you make it sound like you can make the radiator fans act as exhaust fans instead of intake fans. My idea was to have the radiator fans pull air from up top and push it into the pump. No? Never owned an AIO so I don't know how they work lol
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if rad put on top you would just flip the fans so they can exhaust air out
 
edo101 said:
why would you do that? sabrewolf732 ? What is the difference between mounting radiator fans up top vs up front? Isn't it the same principle?
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fans mounted up top generally are set to exhaust as heat rises. It isn't a huge deal either way, but again fans mounted up top are generally set to exhaust with the front as intake. Also, radiators are typically more effective with fans set to pull air through them vs. pushing.
 
sabrewolf732 said:
fans mounted up top generally are set to exhaust as heat rises. It isn't a huge deal either way, but again fans mounted up top are generally set to exhaust with the front as intake. Also, radiators are typically more effective with fans set to pull air through them vs. pushing.
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Source on pull being more effective than push? I’ve only ever seen evidence the other way
 
Endgame said:
Source on pull being more effective than push? I’ve only ever seen evidence the other way
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https://www.ekwb.com/blog/push-pull-or-push-pull-on-radiators/
It's pretty negligible but this is in line with everything I've read over the years

edit: just found this which shows better results with push
https://martinsliquidlab.wordpress.com/2012/01/15/radiator-shroud-testing-v2/4/

this is from a jayz2cents video (not the most reliable source of info) but it seems to show mixed results depending on fan RPM


Who knows? Perhaps it's radiator dependent as well?
 
edo101 said:
Hmm why can't you pull cool air from up top? Just as you can from the front?
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You CAN, it just generally is used as an exhaust as hot air tends to rise so the general consensus is to exhaust out the top of the case. I don't believe it will make a huge difference either way. Try both and see?
 
sabrewolf732 said:
You CAN, it just generally is used as an exhaust as hot air tends to rise so the general consensus is to exhaust out the top of the case. I don't believe it will make a huge difference either way. Try both and see?
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yeah looks like i should. I just would like to keep those nice RGB fans up front lol. Silly me. It'd be nice to be like the cool kids and their RGB
 
edo101 said:
yeah looks like i should. I just would like to keep those nice RGB fans up front lol. Silly me. It'd be nice to be like the cool kids and their RGB
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Dude, aesthetics are really important to some. As long as it's not inhibiting performance/causing throttling go for it!
 
sabrewolf732 said:
https://www.ekwb.com/blog/push-pull-or-push-pull-on-radiators/
It's pretty negligible but this is in line with everything I've read over the years

edit: just found this which shows better results with push
https://martinsliquidlab.wordpress.com/2012/01/15/radiator-shroud-testing-v2/4/

this is from a jayz2cents video (not the most reliable source of info) but it seems to show mixed results depending on fan RPM


Who knows? Perhaps it's radiator dependent as well?
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I was familiar with Martian’s results and earlier ones where push was better. Per one of Martian’s comments, this may very well come down to specific combinations of fans and radiators. He was using GT AP-15s for that test - it’s entirely possible he would have gotten different push or pull results with different fans on those same rads. The good news is, the difference is generally minimal, and push + pull always wins, so if you have the room, and want to be 100% sure, go push + pull.
 
Endgame said:
I was familiar with Martian’s results and earlier ones where push was better. Per one of Martian’s comments, this may very well come down to specific combinations of fans and radiators. He was using GT AP-15s for that test - it’s entirely possible he would have gotten different push or pull results with different fans on those same rads. The good news is, the difference is generally minimal, and push + pull always wins, so if you have the room, and want to be 100% sure, go push + pull.
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How do you push + pull an AIO?
 
Nightfire said:
Most AIO radiators have places to put fans on both sides. I've only seen push/pull on 120mm setups, though.
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So wait... say a radtiator has 3 fan spots. You'd put 2 in places where they can push and one where they can pull air? On the same peice of radiator?
 
edo101 said:
So wait... say a radtiator has 3 fan spots. You'd put 2 in places where they can push and one where they can pull air? On the same peice of radiator?
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No, you put fans on both sides of the radiator. So in a normal 240mm AIO, you'd have 4 fans each blowing the same direction. 2 pushing through the radiator, and 2 pulling through the radiator on opposite sides.

Not all cases have the room to accommodate a setup like that either.
 
edo101 said:
So wait... say a radtiator has 3 fan spots. You'd put 2 in places where they can push and one where they can pull air? On the same peice of radiator?
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Push+pull would look like this, with fans on both sides of the radiator. For a 360 radiator, one with 3 fan spots, you would need 6 fans.

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Nightfire said:
Most AIO radiators have places to put fans on both sides. I've only seen push/pull on 120mm setups, though.
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I should take a picture and post it of one of my machines with a Corsair H150 pro with 6x gentle typhoon AP-15s on it. I’ve airways run push + pull on every radiator I’ve had where it would fit.
 
edo101 said:
sabrewolf732 Might you know if this case: http://www.phanteks.com/Eclipse-P500A-DRGB.html
Wiill be able to fit this AIO: https://www.newegg.com/arctic-cooling-liquid-freezer-ii-360-liquid-cooling-system/p/N82E16835186249
with the radiator mounte up top as opposed to front?
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based on looks/dimensions it looks as if that AIO will fit that case perfectly fine.

found this on reddit:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Phanteks/comments/jo6zc0/phanteks_p500a_top_mount_360mm_aio_arctic_liquid/


seems like up top with the 360 AIO is your best bet.
 
sabrewolf732 said:
based on looks/dimensions it looks as if that AIO will fit that case perfectly fine.

found this on reddit:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Phanteks/comments/jo6zc0/phanteks_p500a_top_mount_360mm_aio_arctic_liquid/


seems like up top with the 360 AIO is your best bet.
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sabrewolf732 , wow, thanks so much man! My only contention now is that the Artic Liquid sadly only comes with 2 year warranty. Looking into buying extended warranty through newegg but man its 25 bucks more for 4 years
 
Endgame said:
I was familiar with Martian’s results and earlier ones where push was better. Per one of Martian’s comments, this may very well come down to specific combinations of fans and radiators. He was using GT AP-15s for that test - it’s entirely possible he would have gotten different push or pull results with different fans on those same rads. The good news is, the difference is generally minimal, and push + pull always wins, so if you have the room, and want to be 100% sure, go push + pull.
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GT and A12X25 are like 2 of the only fans that don't completely suck ass when in exclusively pull configuration. Even the cooler master clone is worse and it looks the same as the other 2 though its main issue somehow is filters lol.
 
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I don't know why anyone buys anything but the Arctic P12 fans. You can get 5 of these for one A12x25 :D

 
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