GPU Market Gets Flooded With Used GeForce RTX 2080 Ti’s

Stoly said:
Why do people keep doing this?
If this ever happens, the same thing as always will happen. Settle, nvidia won't admit any wrong doing, the plaintiffs will get like $20 each and the lawyers will get millions.
Case closed, next...
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what if your a First Tier / Premiere Plaintiff? one of the primaries to bring the class action
 
Furious_Styles said:
The only people who would be mad about it not holding its value are either really young or really stupid. Did you already forget the mining craze and previous gens have had the same thing happen? Come on....
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i mean, I didn’t, but it sure seems like a lot of 2080ti owners did, otherwise they wouldn’t be feeling so entitled to compensation. To hear some people say it they haven’t gotten their money’s worth out of a $1300 video card yet so they’re mad that it isn’t worth $1300 anymore.

I don’t know how anyone would feel like they’ve gotten that much entertainment out of a card. Maybe $1300 that wouldn’t be outclassed by a mid-range card from the next generation that will sell for less than 40% of that price?

but to me that just says the 2080ti shouldn’t have been priced so high in the first place. it just was because, as it turned out, people were willing to pay for it anyways.
 
erek said:
what about the traumas of being made fun of for not having the top of line card when the ones come out?
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I have a gtx 970... there I said it... I couldnt give less of a fuck for people saying I'm not "[H]ard" ... is that even a thing now since this is just a forum now?
 
sfsuphysics said:
I have a gtx 970... there I said it... I couldnt give less of a fuck for people saying I'm not "[H]ard" ... is that even a thing now since this is just a forum now?
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don't know, but i've been working on developing a thicker skin for many years now

the price drop of the 2080 Ti does hurt superficially for me because i was planning on giving mine away anyhow
 
-Strelok- said:
3080 is looking to be at least 25-30% faster than a 2080Ti and will arrive in 10 days. I’m not sure how 10 days = 4 months. The 3090 is there too if that’s not enough.
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I'm sure they will have one for purchase for everyone that wants one on the first day too. I mean everyone basically has supply issues on day one of a hot launch but I'm sure NV has it all figured out. With all the people that seem to be selling right now... I somehow doubt they all get a card in the first month never mind the first day.
 
erek said:
Heard there might be a Class Action against NVIDIA for the plummeting values of people's 2080 Tis
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Good luck with that. If people could sue for plummeting values then everyone would sue companies every time a new product is released. That Lawsuit is a waste of time as I'm sure Nvidia has enough lawyers to know what to expect.

erek said:
im on the 2080 Ti, should i skip the 3000 series too? :(
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Find a sucker and sell it fast. Preferably someone you don't know who doesn't know about PC hardware.
erek said:
some of us on here are driven to our upgrade decisions based on the fear of being made fun of and so forth
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I make fun of those people. My Vega 56 ain't looking so bad, now is it?

Derangel said:
Consoles probably played a part, but there are also other factors at play.
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Oh yea like what? Nvidia could release a RTX 3080 Ti that was 20% faster and people would eat it up faster than you can swipe your credit card. Nvidia knows that if they aren't massively faster than consoles then nobody would buy their graphic cards. These consoles aren't your middle of the road off the shelf cheap hardware, so of course Nvidia has to massively one up the consoles. Now the Xbox Series X looks as slow as the Xbox One did when it was released, thanks to Nvidia.
Let's not forget that Pascal was a massive gen-to-gen increase without console hardware to supposedly push the jump.
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The GTX 970 was the most popular graphics card for years before the GTX 1060 became the next most popular. The GTX 970 is the reason why consoles run games at 30 fps and 900p.

So people who bought the first good 4K/high refresh rate ultrawide care are dumb?
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Yep, because they're early adopters.
Anyone buying in the last couple months was foolish, anyone buying it solely for RT was foolish, but it has been one hell of a card for the past couple years.
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For $1,300 you get to play Quake 2 with Ray-Tracing. Don't forget Minecraft with Ray-Tracing. It's not like people can't play Minecraft with Ray-Tracing without a RTX card right? Oh wait, they have.


The only "dumb" people here are those foolish enough to think themselves better than others because of a fucking computer component.
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I don't know, I'm feeling rather smart myself.
 
-Strelok- said:
Nvidia made that claim in their own announcement. Based on DF's findings in the couple of games they were allowed to show, the improvements are closer to 70-80% over a 2080.



It's more of an FE cooler production issue than a chip production issue. The 3090 supply will probably be very low though.
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I am not sure what you mean. Samsung 8nm yields are not great. According to everyone. So it’s a chip level production issue. Why would they have a FE cooler production issue? First I have heard of it from you. It’s not exactly as complicated as producing a chip.


Also DF review was whatever nvidia told him to do it seems. I mean he chose to my test BF5 without ray tracing? Probably not ready yet or it’s not as great.

I do think these will be great cards but what df showed might have been the best case scenario.
 
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DukenukemX said:
Good luck with that. If people could sue for plummeting values then everyone would sue companies every time a new product is released. That Lawsuit is a waste of time as I'm sure Nvidia has enough lawyers to know what to expect.


Find a sucker and sell it fast. Preferably someone you don't know who doesn't know about PC hardware.

I make fun of those people. My Vega 56 ain't looking so bad, now is it?


Oh yea like what? Nvidia could release a RTX 3080 Ti that was 20% faster and people would eat it up faster than you can swipe your credit card. Nvidia knows that if they aren't massively faster than consoles then nobody would buy their graphic cards. These consoles aren't your middle of the road off the shelf cheap hardware, so of course Nvidia has to massively one up the consoles. Now the Xbox Series X looks as slow as the Xbox One did when it was released, thanks to Nvidia.

The GTX 970 was the most popular graphics card for years before the GTX 1060 became the next most popular. The GTX 970 is the reason why consoles run games at 30 fps and 900p.


Yep, because they're early adopters.

For $1,300 you get to play Quake 2 with Ray-Tracing. Don't forget Minecraft with Ray-Tracing. It's not like people can't play Minecraft with Ray-Tracing without a RTX card right? Oh wait, they have.



I don't know, I'm feeling rather smart myself.
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With the way people act when things become scarce it might be smarter to wait to sell anything Turing. When people can't find Ampere cards for months they're going to want something. I wouldn't be surprised if prices on using Turing cards go up during Oct-Nov.

Like what? AMD, upcoming games, non-gaming markets. You're repeating exactly what I said by saying "Nvidia could release a RTX 3080 Ti that was 20% faster and people would eat it up faster than you can swipe your credit card". I'm not saying consoles aren't part of it, but not the only part. Companies rarely do anything for only one reason, well besides "make money".

The reason consoles run at 30fps is because of the weak hardware in them and developers focusing on visual effects over frame rate.

Early adopters for RT, yes, but not for raster performance. I already said anyone buying the card solely for RT was foolish. I have a card that can run a lot of games at 3440x1440 above 60fps. If I cared about 4K, I'd have a card that was the first truly good 4K card. Not sure what I should feel bad about here. I've more than got my money's worth from the 2080 ti, especially as I didn't buy it for RT.
 
TrevorR said:
Less than 2 months ago, I bought a Titan RTX off amazon at full price :(
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Yeah that's kind of on you. You absolutely HAD to know the 3000 series was coming down the pipeline, and probably somewhat soon maybe delayed a little due to pandemicness, but yeah unless you use that Titan to make money, and you needed to have that as a big upgrade over what you had, then deal with it

-Strelok- said:
Why are so many people butthurt this generation?
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It's because this completely destroys their business model of how they want to live their life. They want the latest and greatest, always, then they want to flip it when something new comes out so they can still have the latest and greatest without having to "pay full price" for what they're doing. Happens with video cards, iphones, hell even cars as you always hear people talking about the "resale value" as a selling point when choosing a car where as I grew up in a family that you drive it until the wheels fall off :)


Stoly said:
Why do people keep doing this?
If this ever happens, the same thing as always will happen. Settle, nvidia won't admit any wrong doing, the plaintiffs will get like $20 each and the lawyers will get millions.
Case closed, next...
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Or worse, it does what class action lawsuits are supposed to do, which is NOT make anyone financially right, but instead sends a huge message to a company to not do this shit again, and where does that leave us? Well no one can expect anything to drop in price because the above mentioned butthurt generation demands to get resale value of everything they buy so Nvidia will keep prices high.
 
sfsuphysics said:
Yeah that's kind of on you. You absolutely HAD to know the 3000 series was coming down the pipeline, and probably somewhat soon maybe delayed a little due to pandemicness, but yeah unless you use that Titan to make money, and you needed to have that as a big upgrade over what you had, then deal with it
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Yeah I knew about the 3000 series. A few weeks ago I started a Masters program in Data science, currently using it for machine learning!

3090 RTX looks nice, but they haven't released performance numbers in data science applications for the card yet, which leads me to believe it isn't for data scientists.

EDIT: Oh and I was being sarcastic lol. I don't regret it at all, it's part of my school expenses. My GI bill paid for it anyways since its a school related cost so I'm not out any money heh.

Rizen said:
lol, why would you have do this?
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See above
 
Axman said:
Boy it sure would suck to sell a card Nvidia is sorta conspicuously leaving out of its 3000-series benchmarks for $500 just before a ... four-ish month wait for its replacement?
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4 months may be optimistic. Rumor has it stocks for anythign 30xx won't be at normal levels until mid next year... We might be talking 10 months :p
 
Zarathustra[H] said:
4 months may be optimistic. Rumor has it stocks for anythign 30xx won't be at normal levels until mid next year... We might be talking 10 months :p
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I don't put much stock in those rumors. If yields and stock where THAT low they wouldn't be launching three cards within a month and a half. There also wouldn't be so many AIB partner models announced and seemingly ready for release. I could see FEs being extremely limited, since it seems like the PCB and cooler are complex to design, but everything else seems to point to business as usual for non-FE cards.
 
erek said:
some of us on here are driven to our upgrade decisions based on the fear of being made fun of and so forth

some were traumatized in the early enthusiast days
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I stopped drinking so many bottles of beer because the wife was worried. Swapped from light beer to 8.4abv Spacedust. Boom! Fewer bottles being opened now so I can claim with a straight face I’m drinking less.
 
Randall Stephens said:
I stopped drinking so many bottles of beer because the wife was worried. Swapped from light beer to 8.4abv Spacedust. Boom! Fewer bottles being opened now so I can claim with a straight face I’m drinking less.
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Er... I probably missed however this ties in to video cards, but I don’t think that’s a healthy way to address a legitimate concern about drinking too much being expressed by your wife?
 
As an owner of a 2080Ti I’m bummed that the 3070 will be around 3-5% better. It’s two or more price brackets down. That said, I’m holding on to it because chances are I won’t get a 3090 when they launch.

I plan on keeping my current setup until both Ryzen 4000 series and Big Navi launch. I won’t be selling my stuff either, not at that type of loss. It’ll just be a gigantic upgrade for my 11 year olds 1070 setup. Then his 1070 setup will goto the 8 year old
 
I've got a 1080. Does fine. Make fun all you like - bothers me not a bit. I've had many, MANY GPU's. Right now, I'm good.

Also, we are talking about - at least in the case of 3090 - a $1500 component. Ability to pay and enthusiasm should not be inextricably linked. I'm sure plenty of people here would love to have one, but cannot.

As for myself, well, I just don't care that much. If you feel the need to pick a /softy/ feel free to aim slings and arrows my direction.
 
-Strelok- said:
DF might have been constrained in which games they could show, but Nvidia had no say on their system or where/how they benchmarked said games.
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Uh....did you watch the video? They weren't allowed to show any sort of industry recognized performance metrics. They had to figure out a way to generally extrapolate percentages. And we don't know if that's based on average framerate, frametimes, or.....??

And its part of the big problem of Nvidia forcing signed NDA's and heavily restricting what can and cannot be said and shown about their cards, until the signed dates. [H] and Kyle did not sign those documents and Nivida stopped sending them cards for review.

and I fear it has affected Digital Foundry. As I found their recent DLSS video for Death Stranding to be dramtically favorable to Nvidia and did not address some negative aspects of DLSS, which I noticed within the first 5 minutes of using it. While running around in the very beginning spot of the game.
 
chameleoneel said:
Uh....did you watch the video? They weren't allowed to show any sort of industry recognized performance metrics. They had to figure out a way to generally extrapolate percentages. And we don't know if that's based on average framerate, frametimes, or.....??

And its part of the big problem of Nvidia forcing signed NDA's and heavily restricting what can and cannot be said and shown about their cards, until the signed dates. [H] and Kyle did not sign those documents and Nivida stopped sending them cards for review.

and I fear it has affected Digital Foundry. As I found their recent DLSS video for Death Stranding to be dramtically favorable to Nvidia and did not address some negative aspects of DLSS, which I noticed within the first 5 minutes of using it. While running around in the very beginning spot of the game.
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100% = 2080, 180% = 3080. Look at previous reviews of those specific games by DF and you can figure out what the FPS are. It’s not perfect but it’s really not that difficult to figure out either.

Every company does this. AMD only allowed a small group to post reviews first of first gen threadrippers while the rest were allowed to release results a few days later. I don’t know all the details on Kyle and Nvidia.

What issues?
 
toast0 said:
I'm almost to the point where the GPU numbers have wrapped around and I've already got a card with the right numbers. Not too worried about my e-peen.
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C’mon, the enthusiasts and hype are what makes this hobby great. Why’d you give up on the passion
 
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-Strelok- said:
100% = 2080, 180% = 3080. Look at previous reviews of those specific games by DF and you can figure out what the FPS are. It’s not perfect but it’s really not that difficult to figure out either.

Every company does this. AMD only allowed a small group to post reviews first of first gen threadrippers while the rest were allowed to release results a few days later. I don’t know all the details on Kyle and Nvidia.

What issues?
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What DF did is not a review. It’s nvidia controlled introduction/best case scenarios. I wouldn’t say it’s 180% on average after looking at nvidia controlled benches. Proper reviews will determine that.
 
This rumor about it not being that available. I might actually get. 3090 and if big Navi surprise switch route because I can only imagine what hardcore nvidia fanboys will pay to get their hands on 3090 if it’s not easily found lol.
 
I was checking offerup and FB marketplace in my area and are seeing them go for ~500-600.. pretty hilarious unless you own one.
 
It's not rocket science DF's percentages shown throughout the videos were either average FPS or the current FPS... It's not nvidia controlled benchmarks.. it's just getting around nvidia's NDA or whatever to be first on getting a review out without breaking any rules.

Anywho, huge numbers, good luck AMD you're gonna need it.
 
It's like people forgot we occasionally see massive generational performance increases.

I feel sorry for anyone who started thinking of PC hardware as an investment. Companies are literally trying to make something better every year so there's a reason to upgrade. Things were never going to hold value.
 
legcramp said:
It's not rocket science DF's percentages shown throughout the videos were either average FPS or the current FPS... It's not nvidia controlled benchmarks.. it's just getting around nvidia's NDA or whatever to be first on getting a review out without breaking any rules.

Anywho, huge numbers, good luck AMD you're gonna need it.
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Wow you really think DF got a video card and went around NDA? I won’t argue this but seriously you are factually wrong here. Nvidia controls their shit before NDA. There is no going around it. He either went against them or they controlled what he could show. No such thing as going around it when he was given card by Nvidia? Do you wonder why anyone else didn’t do that? Hmmm lol. Because they probably didn’t want to and wanted to do an actual review.

Ask yourself why DF didn’t do BF5 with ray tracing? Hmm. Lol.
 
The issue with selling off your 2080Ti so fast is that you may not be able to get an Ampere GPU for a while if they end up being as scarce as the rumors say then you'd be without a GPU (assuming you don't have a capable backup laying around). I'm a 2080Ti owner but my only backup card is a GTX 680 which can't run anything at 4K these days so selling off my 2080Ti right now is not a good option. Then there's the possibility the resale value of the 2080Ti could increase once the Ampere cards become impossible to find.
 
I had a 980Ti die on me last week. This isn't my main rig, its my old one and it's got what appears to be a busted pump (its an AIO from evga). I picked up a 1080 Ti Superclocked for about $368 bucks shipped.......that's a significant upgrade over the 980 Ti and simply put I didn't see any 2080's or 2080Ti's that I'd call cheap. Lower than retail, that's for sure, but not cheap...and if you're going to spend $600+ you may as well buy a 3070 or a 3080. I couldn't wait, needed to buy this week so the 1080 Ti was the best bang for the buck. I could have gone with a stock 1080 for about $280 but the performance jump to the Ti made sense for less than $100 more.
 
I looked at the 2080 Ti buy it now prices on Ebay, not at all that impressive.
 
ChadD said:
Indeed... I really don't know why you would want to sell your main GPU a month or two before you can get a replacement. I somehow doubt NV floods the market with stock on day one... or day 14 or 30 for that matter. The demand is probably going to outstripe stock. You would have to have a lot of faith in NV to sell your 2000 today.
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Halo cards comprise under 1 maybe 2% of the entire gaming market at least as far as steam hardware survey is concerned I highly doubt that these cards are going to be that unobtanium for that long.
 
NKD said:
What DF did is not a review. It’s nvidia controlled introduction/best case scenarios. I wouldn’t say it’s 180% on average after looking at nvidia controlled benches. Proper reviews will determine that.
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Just wait until the NDA embargo drops then everyone else who got cards (Jay, Linus, etc) will immediately post their videos/numbers as those videos most likely are already done, hell they're probably already uploaded to Youtube just with a delay on the release time, no need to get too worked up over it, it's not like anyone is accepting pre-orders anyways to lure you into buying with just one reviewer's "numbers"
 
erek said:
C’mon, the enthusiasts and hype are what makes this hobby great. Why’d you give up on the passion
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you can be an enthusiast without the "hype"(whatever you mean by that?!) and some of us grow out of the epeen contest. it aint the size that counts its how ya use it ;)
 
sfsuphysics said:
Just wait until the NDA embargo drops then everyone else who got cards (Jay, Linus, etc) will immediately post their videos/numbers as those videos most likely are already done, hell they're probably already uploaded to Youtube just with a delay on the release time, no need to get too worked up over it, it's not like anyone is accepting pre-orders anyways to lure you into buying with just one reviewer's "numbers"
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No one has cards yet.
 
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