LG 48CX

AdmiralBolty said:
It's called contrast and its one of the most important determining factors in image quality and depth to the displayed image.

We are all entitled to our opinions however you are not presenting an opinion, you are presenting completely inaccurate, non-factual arguments that honestly with each post, just drive home a significant lack of understanding in display technology.
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Contrast is just the difference between white and black. Nothing else. At least know some basics before arguing ffs.
 
madpistol said:
All display techs have their own properties, upsides, downsides, etc.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_display_technology

Different LCD panel types.
https://www.pchardwarehelp.com/guides/lcd-panel-types.php

And of course, LCD vs OLED
https://www.trustedreviews.com/opinion/oled-vs-led-lcd-2924602


Now, I'm not going to claim to be the best expert on these techs by any stretch, but I have done my research over the years, and this is what I have found.

TN: Weak colors, Weak contrast, fast response. Incredible gaming monitors (IPS seems to have caught up in response times recently).
IPS: Accurate colors, Ok contrast, good response (excellent response on higher-end models)
VA: High color volume (can be calibrated to accurate color), Excellent contrast, OK response.
OLED: Extremely high color volume (can be calibrated to accurate color), Perfect contrast, Incredible response.

So why isn't OLED the prevalent tech nowadays? Well, they still cost a ton in TVs, they don't get as bright as LCD, and there's still a "fear" of burn-in. I say "fear" because a lot has been done in recent years to make OLED much more hardy and resist burn-in; you have to abuse the TV to the extreme in order to get burn-in to show up in any meaningful capacity within the first couple of years of ownership.

Why do I consider myself an expert? Well, I have an LG CX (OLED), Samsung Q90R (VA w/ Quantum Dot filter), Dell 27" s2716dg (TN, high refresh), iPhone XR (IPS), and AOC 34" Ultrawide (AH-IPS).

My thoughts on each of these items is as follows.

AOC 34" Ultrawide (AH-IPS): Incredible color, HORRIBLE input lag, tons of pixel smear in motion. Not good for gaming.
iPhone XR: Accurate color, can see a lot of the backlight on dark backgrounds.
Dell s2716dg (TN): Really fast response time, dingy color and contrast (I've tried calibrating the color on this, it's just not good.)
Samsung Q90R (VA with QD): Extremely high color volume and brightness, but high brightness blows up the gamma. Can see some backlight in dark scenes (FALD w/ 480 dimming zones)
LG CX OLED: Vibrant, accurate color on Warm2 Gamma profile, decent brightness, perfect contrast, beats all of them on response times and motion handling, even the dell monitor.


My conclusion: The LG CX OLED is EASILY the closest to a perfect display I've ever had, full stop. Colors are vibrant and accurate, contrast really helps this, and the response times and cleanness of the image in motion is on another level; LCD tech cannot compete.

Again, I'm not a professional by any means, but I think I've seen enough monitors at this point to very clearly say that OLED is a better tech than IPS or VA LCD. The reason? The backlights, no matter how good they are, are going to distort the color of the LCD panel a little bit, even on AH-IPS. OLED does not have this issue, and based on what I've seen so far, LG has nearly perfected color handling in their OLED panels. It's stunning to say the least.
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I agree with that.
OLED is my target and should last me awhile... but I'm not going to ignore the fact that:

-while edge lit does big flashlights from the edges affecting or limiting wide areas of color brightness, detail in fields of colors, detail in fields of darkness, contrast
-while FALD's zones do darkening and glowing "halos" on the fringes of areas and try to balance those shaped arrays against each other dynamically in "moving" content, losing details, and while pixels within the core of a fald zone don't get per pixel color luminance difference like they should

---> OLED still gets the color luminance trade-offs all at once when ABL kicks on ... and in step downs with more restricted screen brightness limits vs % of screen (though even FALD LCDs have % screen brightness limits). ABL can be avoided running lower brightness settings in SDR but overall it's still a tradeoff and always for HDR.

Still ,considering all the trade-offs, burn in was always my biggest concern. The limitations and trade-offs of OLED are now the very reason that burn in is less likely though. I'll still do a black desktop background, lock away my primary taskbar entirely, show no icons, and dedicate the OLED to a gaming/dynamic media display just to be safe. Hopefully the logo identification and dimming tech will help with game HUDs too.

Murzilka said:
Contrast is just the difference between white and black. Nothing else. At least know some basics before arguing ffs.
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While that is true, I don't agree with you that FALD (let alone edge lighting) only affects blacks. FALD affects color luminance just like it affects the white to black scale. FALD causes "unintended areas to be darker or brighter", which means those colors in those areas will be lighter or darker than they should be. Not only do you lose detail-in-blacks but you lose detail in fields of colors and get dimming of colors, dynamically across scenes with moving player/camera and dynamic light sources. It's almost like localized omnidirectional ABL cells and localized omnidirectional flashlighting cells but the cells are too big covering a lot of pixels in each cell as well as casting their glow/bloom/dim effect into surrounding areas at various intensities in an attempt at balancing based on the particular firmware.
 
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elvn said:
While that is true, I don't agree with you that FALD (let alone edge lighting) only affects blacks. FALD affects color luminance just like it affects the white to black scale. FALD causes "unintended areas to be darker or brighter", which means those colors in those areas will be lighter or darker than they should be. Not only do you lose detail-in-blacks but you lose detail in fields of colors and get dimming of colors, dynamically across scenes with moving player/camera and dynamic light sources. It's almost like localized omnidirectional ABL cells and localized omnidirectional flashlighting cells but the cells are too big covering a lot of pixels in each cell as well as casting their glow/bloom/dim effect into surrounding areas at various intensities in an attempt at balancing based on the particular firmware.
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Yes, it affects luminance. I meant it by saying "brightness"... Not much difference if at all. FALD can be nice and personally I am looking forward to the X32 and its Asus version. I believe the halos will be tolerable. Just don't say anything about the price...
 


I'm not a professional so instead I'll let one explain why contrast doesn't just affect black levels only. The gist of it is that Sony decided to improve viewing angles at the cost of contrast, and now that elevated black level from the reduced contrast/black point is now going to affect all colors on the screen and make them appear more washed out, so no contrast isn't just a black and white thing, it affects colors too.
 
If you are displaying a single colour on the screen (and both are calibrated the same) I guess yes, OLED and IPS will look the same - except the blacks. But when displaying a real picture they can't possibly look the same.

Coming from a LCD even SDR on OLED can feel like "mini HDR" (so to speak) esp. if you watch it in a dark room (you really should use OLED in a dark room anyway).
 
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Murzilka said:
Contrast is just the difference between white and black. Nothing else. At least know some basics before arguing ffs.
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Wrong. Contrast affects all colors relative to each other. A poor contrast between the extremes (black & white) means the contrast between other shades of color is even lower. On an LCD, all colors look increasingly washed out as they get darker, while an OLED maintains high contrast. You can see the backlight brightening all dark colors, not just black.
 
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21 days to Ampere reveal. Probably just a paper launch but meh it's coming real soon.
 
Monstieur said:
Wrong. Contrast affects all colors relative to each other. A poor contrast between the extremes (black & white) means the contrast between other shades of color is even lower. On an LCD, all colors look increasingly washed out as they get darker, while an OLED maintains high contrast. You can see the backlight brightening all dark colors, not just black.
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Yep.
LCDs can only handle so much contrast, If you have a dark red pixel and a bright red pixel next to each other LCD doesn't have the contrast capability to display them accurately while OLED handles it effortlessly. On LCD you lose the detail and get an in-between brightness for both pixels, you essentially lose resolution and may as well just have one pixel instead of 2.
People have done "blind tests" comparing an 8k LCD with a 4k OLED and everyone thinks the 4k OLED is higher resolution than the 8k LCD. It doesn't matter how many pixels you cram into an LCD it won't match an OLED.
 
Murzilka said:
Yes, it affects luminance. I meant it by saying "brightness"... Not much difference if at all. FALD can be nice and personally I am looking forward to the X32 and its Asus version. I believe the halos will be tolerable. Just don't say anything about the price...
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The X32 would be pretty epic for productivity, but that slow LCD sample and hold pixel blur is sooooo last decade.
Also, $3600 is pricey but if it delivers professional grade color work, then it would be real nice for content creators.

Gaming goes to the 48cx and productivity goes to the X32.

Shame we can't have an OLED 32CX! But they know that would be an endgame display for us.
 
I posted the other day about my 38” Acer looking washed out after adding the LG CX 48 to my system. The feedback was that a IPS isn’t going to look very good sitting next to an OLED, and while I’m not disagreeing with that assessment I felt there was more to it. To be fair to those who responded to my post I had the luxury of looking at my set up while they were going by my description. I tried swapping out the dp cable but that didn‘t help, the 38” still looked washed out even with the OLED turned off. Next I set up an Acer 27” IPS for comparison. The 27” looked normal, obviously no where as good as the OLED but much better than the 38”. After that I played around in the menu of the 38“ a bit not really getting anywhere until I turned on HDR. I don’t think I had HDR enabled on the 38” before, but I did enable HDR on the OLED. Is it possible that when I set up the OLED I enabled some HDR setting in windows that was affecting the 38”?
 
st1650 said:
Is it correct that the CX 48 is not coming to Canada ?
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There a few postings on the OLED reddit that it will be coming to Australia after they had been told it would not. Given the popularity of the 48” LG may be rethinking their decision not to bring it to certain markets
 
st1650 said:
Is it correct that the CX 48 is not coming to Canada ?
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I swear I remember seeing reports of it being available in Canadian stores between when it released in Europe and the US (because I remember thinking about how I'd drive to Vancouver and buy one if the border wasn't closed because they weren't available in the US yet). Did they only get a small shipment that never got replenished or something? Or am I just remembering wrong or saw preorders or something?
 
Murzilka said:
Contrast is just the difference between white and black. Nothing else. At least know some basics before arguing ffs.
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I already had my suspicions from the X38 but thank you for confirming it. You lack even the basics of an understanding of panels and panel technology and I might as well be talking
to my cat for all it matters because you both have about the same level of knowledge.

Ты знаешь не так много, как тебе кажется, на самом деле ты продемонстрировал прямо противоположное. Ты совершенно не понимаешь , о чем говоришь.

Пожалуйста, продолжай ошибаться дальше, это очень смешно
 
Murzilka said:
How is this a productivity monitor?
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IPS pixels are slow compared to OLED thus motion is noticeably BLURRRIEEERRR.

Also, upping the ante, the 48CX has BFI which the X32 most likely will not and even if the x32 does have BFI, BFI is traditionally shitty on IPS displays.

I had the X27 and liked it, but the 48cx stomps it a new asshole when it comes to gaming and I'm willing to bet the X32 ain't much different except for being the ideal size.

X32 seems like it will make a nice productivity, content creation, web surfing, pron viewing display.

$3600 is STEEP compared to $1499 (and falling come LG OLED sales time)
 
mirkendargen said:
I swear I remember seeing reports of it being available in Canadian stores between when it released in Europe and the US (because I remember thinking about how I'd drive to Vancouver and buy one if the border wasn't closed because they weren't available in the US yet). Did they only get a small shipment that never got replenished or something? Or am I just remembering wrong or saw preorders or something?
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Not sure. LG says they're not going to be selling them to Canada at this time. Some vendors are showing BO till November. Possibly could export one through BH photovideo I guess.
 
st1650 said:
Not sure. LG says they're not going to be selling them to Canada at this time. Some vendors are showing BO till November. Possibly could export one through BH photovideo I guess.
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People should just import the dang thing....its literally the greatest thing since sliced bread!
 
l88bastard said:
People should just import the dang thing....its literally the greatest thing since sliced bread!
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This is the option I wanted to take prior to the AU announcement, however our import duties now have no threshold and it would push the already significantly high price up even further, not to mention postage. Must be way easier if you are in Canada though and it only has to go across the border :) Lucky lads.
 
l88bastard said:
IPS pixels are slow compared to OLED thus motion is noticeably BLURRRIEEERRR.

Also, upping the ante, the 48CX has BFI which the X32 most likely will not and even if the x32 does have BFI, BFI is traditionally shitty on IPS displays.

I had the X27 and liked it, but the 48cx stomps it a new asshole when it comes to gaming and I'm willing to bet the X32 ain't much different except for being the ideal size.

X32 seems like it will make a nice productivity, content creation, web surfing, pron viewing display.

$3600 is STEEP compared to $1499 (and falling come LG OLED sales time)
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144hz with hardware gsync is plenty gaming monitor for me. Same 144hz with gsync were very smooth on the X38. The price.... is outrageous. But after the x38 nothing seems impossible. I'd like to see how severe the halos will be. The calibrated C7 55 didn't stomp the X38 in Vermintide 2 and Far Cry 5 at all...


AdmiralBolty said:
Ты знаешь не так много, как тебе кажется, на самом деле ты продемонстрировал прямо противоположное. Ты совершенно не понимаешь , о чем говоришь.

Пожалуйста, продолжай ошибаться дальше, это очень смешно
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пеши исчо. и йаду не забудь жахнуть заодно.
 
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l88bastard said:
People should just import the dang thing....its literally the greatest thing since sliced bread!
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I'm thinking about it, it'd be an extra 200$ over what it should retail here though. I could always ship it to a PO box near the border and pick it up and pay the duties on the drive back. It's only a 2.5 hr drive and probably cheaper than shipping such a large item from BH photo.

Is it that good ?
 
I’d rather play on an old plasma at 1080p than any led or lcd tech in any configuration. An LED of LCD screen will always be the weakest link of any system.

This issue has already been litigated and settled. Pioneer settled it with its Kuro plasma displays years ago. It was just a question of price. Once Kuro launched LED/LCD was obsolete for video and gaming. It just was not viable commercially.

I lived through the CRT to flat panel transition period and people really just do not understand what a step back LCD was in every way. LCD has never been a reference quality product that shows the work as the creators intended. It can’t really do black and motion is just not good. The screen is so inept it actually has a glow.

I say go dual screen, a small IPS for office work and managing the PC and a large OLED for gaming.
 
Other question, my GTX 1080 can only do HDMI 2.0, will this cause issues at 4k 120hz ?

BTW still have my old plasma Viera ST60. Still looks amazing compared to a lot of today's offerings.
 
st1650 said:
Other question, my GTX 1080 can only do HDMI 2.0, will this cause issues at 4k 120hz ?

BTW still have my old plasma Viera ST60. Still looks amazing compared to a lot of today's offerings.
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My living room TV is still an 8 year old 65" Panasonic ST60. After seeing the 48" OLED at my computer, my wife has agreed that when a ~84" OLED is available for $3000 or less we're getting one, heh.
 
mirkendargen said:
My living room TV is still an 8 year old 65" Panasonic ST60. After seeing the 48" OLED at my computer, my wife has agreed that when a ~84" OLED is available for $3000 or less we're getting one, heh.
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You'll probably be waiting a while for that one. Even decent LCD TVs aren't that cheap @ 85".
 
madpistol said:
You'll probably be waiting a while for that one. Even decent LCD TVs aren't that cheap @ 85".
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She says 84+, but I think if I actually show her what 12" bigger (giggity) than the 65" looks like she'll go for that. I can already get a 77" CX for $3400, I expect whatever next year's are called will be ~$3000 by Black Friday 2021.
 
st1650 said:
I'm thinking about it, it'd be an extra 200$ over what it should retail here though. I could always ship it to a PO box near the border and pick it up and pay the duties on the drive back. It's only a 2.5 hr drive and probably cheaper than shipping such a large item from BH photo.

Is it that good ?
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Yes, when Fedex borked my original order from Beach Camera ($1499), I bought locally and had to pay the 7% sales tax = $104.93 and wait two weeks for my refund from beach....so had over three k tied up and it was worth it :)
 
Murzilka said:
The calibrated C7 55 didn't stomp the X38 in Vermintide 2 and Far Cry 5 at all...

пеши исчо. и йаду не забудь жахнуть заодно.
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lol...did you really just compare a C7 55 experience to a CX???
No....just NO MAN lol

I had a C6, C7, AW55 now a C9 & CX and you cannot compare non native 1080p 120hz Oled to 4k Native 120hz OLED....your experience with the C7 is in no way shape or form relevant to that of the C9/CX @ native 4k120. Just STAAAHHHHHPPPPP.
 
mirkendargen said:
She says 84+, but I think if I actually show her what 12" bigger (giggity) than the 65" looks like she'll go for that. I can already get a 77" CX for $3400, I expect whatever next year's are called will be ~$3000 by Black Friday 2021.
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The 77" CX is the ticket if it's big enough for her (pleasure).

(sorry not sorry)
 
Having owned the CX and a good 38" IPS, I see a lot of idiotic fan boyism on this forum. Yes the CX is great for a lot of things but for comfort working and viewing angles the IPS is still king. And no the move it further back comment is equally idiotic because you have to constantly finess scaling options and even at 4" feet distance, it requires too much vertical neck movement to use the whole screen.

A curved 40-42" OLED will be perfect though since the size and viewing angle issues will be largely mitigated. Curved TVs make no sense but curved monitors make total sense.Peace out.
 
l88bastard said:
lol...did you really just compare a C7 55 experience to a CX???
No....just NO MAN lol

I had a C6, C7, AW55 now a C9 & CX and you cannot compare non native 1080p 120hz Oled to 4k Native 120hz OLED....your experience with the C7 is in no way shape or form relevant to that of the C9/CX @ native 4k120. Just STAAAHHHHHPPPPP.
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🤪 That was SDR image quality comparison between 55" 4K and 38" 1600p. There was no stompage from the OLED side. The displays looked identical except for black color and lower gamma on the X38...
 
undertaker2k8 said:
Having owned the CX and a good 38" IPS, I see a lot of idiotic fan boyism on this forum. Yes the CX is great for a lot of things but for comfort working and viewing angles the IPS is still king. And no the move it further back comment is equally idiotic because you have to constantly finess scaling options and even at 4" feet distance, it requires too much vertical neck movement to use the whole screen.

A curved 40-42" OLED will be perfect though since the size and viewing angle issues will be largely mitigated. Curved TVs make no sense but curved monitors make total sense.Peace out.
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At a farther distance it's the same "size" to your perspective. In fact if you move it back farther than 4' or so it's native ppi will stop looking similar to 105 - 100ppi does up close and will then be too small without scaling it up. You can have a laptop or tablet , VR(with lenses) in front of your face, you can have a large tv screen across a room, a billboard or scoreboard in the distance.

I use a 8" 1536x2048 OLED tablet, 15" 4k IPS laptop, I've had 27" 1080p and 1440p monitors among others, now a 32" 1440p g-sync 144hz and two 43" 4k tvs at my desk. I also have a 70" 4k tv with a lap desk from ~ 8' away in my living room that I sometimes put my laptop's desktop and browser on.. and I have an oculus quest VR headset (which uses lenses to change the focal point ~ "viewing distance" from being too close).

They all work great at the appropriate distance. I don't have to change scaling on any of them on the fly "finessing" them unless I were to change how far away I am sitting for some reason. This is a cop out from people who'd rather not sit farther away and want to keep the monitor at or on the peripheral desk they have their keyboard and mouse on.

A lot of people are still stuck in the "up against the wall like a bookshelf" desk layout. Some of us have more of a multimedia room , command center or island style with a separate desk or desk separate from the monitor mounting area. If you have the space and the freedom you can design your viewing (and listening) environment around your hardware and not the other way around.

Optimally I'd like a wide wall of monitor the height of a 40" one, where I could run whatever game resolution within at different sizes 1:1 windowed.... but by the time we get to that with dual layer or micro LED , we'll probably be getting near having high quality extreme rez AR/mixed reality glasses with virtual screens of whatever sizes we place.
 
elvn said:
At a farther distance it's the same "size" to your perspective. In fact if you move it back farther than 4' or so it's native ppi will stop looking similar to 105 - 100ppi does up close and will then be too small without scaling it up. You can have a laptop or tablet , VR(with lenses) in front of your face, you can have a large tv screen across a room, a billboard or scoreboard in the distance.

I use a 8" 1536x2048 OLED tablet, 15" 4k IPS laptop, I've had 27" 1080p and 1440p monitors among others, now a 32" 1440p g-sync 144hz and two 43" 4k tvs at my desk. I also have a 70" 4k tv with a lap desk from ~ 8' away in my living room that I sometimes put my laptop's desktop and browser on.. and I have an oculus quest VR headset (which uses lenses to change the focal point ~ "viewing distance" from being too close).

They all work great at the appropriate distance. I don't have to change scaling on any of them on the fly "finessing" them unless I were to change how far away I am sitting for some reason. This is a cop out from people who'd rather not sit farther away and want to keep the monitor at or on the peripheral desk they have their keyboard and mouse on.

A lot of people are still stuck in the "up against the wall like a bookshelf" desk layout. Some of us have more of a multimedia room , command center or island style with a separate desk or desk separate from the monitor mounting area. If you have the space and the freedom you can design your viewing (and listening) environment around your hardware and not the other way around.

Optimally I'd like a wide wall of monitor the height of a 40" one, where I could run whatever game resolution within at different sizes 1:1 windowed.... but by the time we get to that with dual layer or micro LED , we'll probably be getting near having high quality extreme rez AR/mixed reality glasses with virtual screens of whatever sizes we place.
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Yup that is why I bought a floor stand for the LG 48CX instead of trying to fit it on a desk (wall mount is cool too, but I don't own this current apartment). Sure it's possible to make it work on some desks but from pictures and videos I've seen, a lot of people clearly do not have the right desk for that. There is a gap now between my desk and the TV but who cares? Heck, it's probably beneficial cooling wise during the heatwave we're having here lol
 
Murzilka said:
🤪 That was SDR image quality comparison between 55" 4K and 38" 1600p. There was no stompage from the OLED side. The displays looked identical except for black color and lower gamma on the X38...
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"My cloudy, dark patched, low contrast, no black depth IPS has the same image quality as an OLED. This is somehow something that has yet to be replicated anywhere else on the planet, but guys trust me its totally true."

Yeah. Nah. When I buy poor products, I just acknowledge it and move on instead of trying desparately to turn it into something its not.
 
Maybe a dumb question. Does loading the RTINGS provided ICC profile yield better results than doing nothing? I understand it's reference but i cannot do a calibration myself.
 
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Wish they had tested game mode + PC mode instead (or in addition to) of ISF Dark + PC (for the calibration part). They only used game mode when testing for input lag. Their input lag numbers seem a bit high as well compared to the 55 version they tested. And they are saying there isn't much difference (lag wise) between ISF and game mode, as long as you are in PC mode. Which is not what people have been saying here and on other forums. I'm not sure myself, since I instantly turned on game mode and changed a few settings to make it look as similar as possible to ISF / Filmmaker mode. I don't have the hardware to make accurate input lag testing but I can try the iPhone 240fps camera I suppose.

Also, I'm a little confused by them having a different calibration target for TVs and monitors. Is it because monitors are always LCDs and they want a different gamma curve to accommodate the terrible black levels?
 
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st1650 said:
Other question, my GTX 1080 can only do HDMI 2.0, will this cause issues at 4k 120hz ?

BTW still have my old plasma Viera ST60. Still looks amazing compared to a lot of today's offerings.
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HDMI 2.0 is incapable of 4k120; you'll have to upgrade the GPU or do some Displayport-to-HDMI conversion.

And yes, top-end Plasma TVs are better then current LCD/LEDs; I got my parents a Viera VT65 shortly after Plasmas were discontinued for only $1300.
 
elvn said:
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It's exactly as we have said so far. Input lag is ok, but pixel response is the hero which helps this be an outstanding monitor for gaming. The peak brightness in SDR is low though. My CX 55 gets quite bright in SDR, so much so that I have to keep it down between 0-40 brightness most of the time.

gamerk2 said:
HDMI 2.0 is incapable of 4k120; you'll have to upgrade the GPU or do some Displayport-to-HDMI conversion.

And yes, top-end Plasma TVs are better then current LCD/LEDs; I got my parents a Viera VT65 shortly after Plasmas were discontinued for only $1300.
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4k120 works fine over HDMI 2.0b as long as Chroma is 4:2:0 and the panel is using 8-bit color. My Samsung Q90R is also capable of this.

The reason that we all want HDMI 2.1 is because of 4k120 Chroma 4:4:4 10-bit color (HDR). This is the golden ticket, and the B9/C9/BX/CX are capable of this.
 
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