LG 48CX

undertaker2k8 said:
Went back to a 38" IPS because mine had dead pixels, yes miss the blacks and HDR but since I also work on my desk 8 hours a day, this is just so much more comfortable. I was forcing myself to get used to the 48" which even at a 4 feet distance (desk is 3 feet deep and the keyboard tray extends another foot) was just too big for text use (but ok for media). They need to come up with a 40 or 42" version soon.
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Agreed, 40-42" is sweet spot on desktop based on all the sizes I've tried. But the manufacturers have claimed the problem is two fold: there isn't a big enough market, and the yields supposedly get worse the smaller they go on panels.

mirkendargen said:
Really? It's the same engine as Death Stranding and doesn't that do >60FPS at 4k with DLSS easy on a 2080Ti?
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No DLSS in HZD.
 
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Murzilka said:
The 38" Predators that I owned for a brief period of time honestly speaking had a perfect motion clarity. Also, you might want to compare the latest Samsung VA motion test vs the OLED CX48 at RTings. You will be much surprised at the clarity difference, unless the OLED was tested at 60Hz and VA at 240Hz. Can't give you the links, too much hassle, just check the two reviews and compare the motion test results at max refresh rate...
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Just my opinion, but the LG 48CX with 120hz BFI is in another league when it comes to motion clarity. Similar to the Predator's motion handling, I have one of the new school LG "1ms" IPS panels and its motion handling in the UFO test is very good at 144hz, great even. Compared to the 48CX 120hz BFI? The poor IPS looks like a smeary mess...

I was skeptical of the effusive language when the chatter started about the CX's motion handling. Now I'm a convert. 120hz BFI on OLED is truly something to behold.
 
Averian said:
Just my opinion, but the LG 48CX with 120hz BFI is in another league when it comes to motion clarity. Similar to the Predator's motion handling, I have one of the new school LG "1ms" IPS panels and its motion handling in the UFO test is very good at 144hz, great even. Compared to the 48CX 120hz BFI? The poor IPS looks like a smeary mess...

I was skeptical of the effusive language when the chatter started about the CX's motion handling. Now I'm a convert. 120hz BFI on OLED is truly something to behold.
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BFI adds flickering to the display, that's what I don't like about it. It'ok for a 30 minutes BF run, but spending several hours straight playing some Assassin Creed's Odyssey, will make me throw up on the keyboard eventually I'm afraid. The BFI on the other hand, definitely makes the motion smooth. That also is reflected in the RTing testing. The available CX55 test shows that very well. The CX48 should be the same.
 
Is it true that the luminance is dropped to sub-100 nits when using BFI though? Vega - if there's anyone here who can directly compare. How do the brighter BFI modes compare to say the FW900 for motion clarity?
 
Murzilka said:
BFI adds flickering to the display, that's what I don't like about it. It'ok for a 30 minutes BF run, but spending several hours straight playing some Assassin Creed's Odyssey, will make me throw up on the keyboard eventually I'm afraid. The BFI on the other hand, definitely makes the motion smooth. That also is reflected in the RTing testing. The available CX55 test shows that very well. The CX48 should be the same.
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Makes sense, everyone's sensitivity to flicker is different. I can certainly identify the BFI flicker at 60hz, but it's remarkably clean at 120hz. It's noticeably better than my old Dell S2716DG with ULMB backlight strobing (with physical gsync module) also at 120hz. I assume it's better because of the rolling scan method of OLED versus the TN strobe. No crosstalk either.
 
Averian said:
Makes sense, everyone's sensitivity to flicker is different. I can certainly identify the BFI flicker at 60hz, but it's remarkably clean at 120hz. It's noticeably better than my old Dell S2716DG with ULMB backlight strobing (with physical gsync module) also at 120hz. I assume it's better because of the rolling scan method of OLED versus the TN strobe. No crosstalk either.
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I think it's the fact that you're no longer tied to a backlight if anything. A black frame is a true black frame. With LCD monitors you have a rolling scan still, in terms of pixel refresh. But you have a very binary on/off with the backlight strobe. It's extremely difficult/nigh impossible to sync it perfectly so that there isn't a pixel that's still in transition when the backlight comes back on. With OLED, since there is no backlight, you don't have to contend with that.
 
jbltecnicspro said:
Is it true that the luminance is dropped to sub-100 nits when using BFI though? Vega - if there's anyone here who can directly compare. How do the brighter BFI modes compare to say the FW900 for motion clarity?
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BFI on high will half the overall perceived brightness, which is still well over 100nit at it's peak. BFI on medium/low is less (I think low is 25% but I'm not positive).

odditory said:
No DLSS in HZD.
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Well damn, that's dumb since the work is already done to implement it in the engine. Hopefully it gets added with a patch before too long.
 
mirkendargen said:
Well damn, that's dumb since the work is already done to implement it in the engine. Hopefully it gets added with a patch before too long.
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Yeah I hope so too. FML. Bought a key from GMG and just used it today to pre-load. HZD is definitely one of those games I'd rather see crispness over a higher frame-rate.
 
I just tried out smooth video project to watch aquaman for the first time in higher framerate. I really wish the new gpus were here already, I think that software can get video all the way to 120fps. As it stands, 4k limits it to 60Hz and 8 bit color with no sub sampling. I noticed some artifacts during some scenes with very fast motion with the tridents early on, but most of the movie looks pristine so far.

Soon, soon all the shackles will come off. Right now, the best quality video is to have it played natively or streamed to the tv, but once we get new gpus, we can let the software feed video directly with even better processing for the best possible video fidelity.

I had no idea SVP allowed you to play videos in real time, I thought a video had to be converted first.
 
mehguy5 said:
Yeah I hope so too. FML. Bought a key from GMG and just used it today to pre-load. HZD is definitely one of those games I'd rather see crispness over a higher frame-rate.
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Yeah DLSS is not happening because it's an AMD sponsored title.
 
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tybert7 said:
I just tried out smooth video project to watch aquaman for the first time in higher framerate. I really wish the new gpus were here already, I think that software can get video all the way to 120fps. As it stands, 4k limits it to 60Hz and 8 bit color with no sub sampling. I noticed some artifacts during some scenes with very fast motion with the tridents early on, but most of the movie looks pristine so far.

Soon, soon all the shackles will come off. Right now, the best quality video is to have it played natively or streamed to the tv, but once we get new gpus, we can let the software feed video directly with even better processing for the best possible video fidelity.

I had no idea SVP allowed you to play videos in real time, I thought a video had to be converted first.
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TruMotion seems better than SVP, with less artifacts. It also has the advantage of not consuming CPU & GPU power, spinning up the fans.

Configure madVR or MPC-BE to automatically switch refresh rate in fullscreen mode. When the refresh rate drops below 30 Hz, Instant Game Response deactivates and the TV switches to the last used preset such as Cinema mode.

If you configure it in MPC-BE instead of madVR, you can use a separate hotkey for fullscreen with refresh rate change, rather than it switch every time you go fullscreen.
 
Monstieur said:
TruMotion seems better than SVP, with less artifacts. It also has the advantage of not consuming CPU & GPU power, spinning up the fans.

Configure madVR or MPC-BE to automatically switch refresh rate in fullscreen mode. When the refresh rate drops below 30 Hz, Instant Game Response deactivates and the TV switches to the last used preset such as Cinema mode.

If you configure it in MPC-BE instead of madVR, you can use a separate hotkey for fullscreen with refresh rate change, rather than it switch every time you go fullscreen.
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I do like truemotion quite a bit. I leave it set to the highest setting of smooth when watching netflix shows and other streaming content. Without that, some stuff has visible disgusting judder.

If only there was a setting powerful enough to strip away the nasty film grain effect some directors seem to crave. Hideous.
 
SoCali said:
Well looks like I'm going to hold off on Horizon Zero Dawn since it apparently runs like trash. Hopefully they fix it over the next few months.
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So dumb since Death Stranding runs great on the same engine. Not to get all fanboi but....maybe the green team is the right choice as a developer looking for cash and technology handouts...?
 
^ Well, G-Sync on the LG 48CX will mitigate sub-4K60 frame dips in the meantime until they patch it.
 
mirkendargen said:
So dumb since Death Stranding runs great on the same engine. Not to get all fanboi but....maybe the green team is the right choice as a developer looking for cash and technology handouts...?
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It is the same engine but supposedly Death Stranding uses a much newer version. Also you have to consider just how empty and barren most of Death Stranding is in comparison. Horizon is full of vegetation that casts shadows.

But yeah I'm just gonna blame it all on the AMD sponsorship. They don't even have a competent driver team and have no business being involved in these games.
 
So I haven't read all 89 pages of this thread but is there a best method for using this set as a virtual ultrawide for desktop use - meaning when I'm in work mode then programs like Chrome/Excel are constrained to a middle horizontal stripe of the TV - 3840x1440 let's say, with the top and bottom 16.7% as blacked out pixels, but then when gaming it uses fullscreen? Is there such thing as setting up a custom/virtual resolution in WIndows 10, or better with a window manager/arranger?

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odditory said:
So I haven't read all 89 pages of this thread but is there a best method for using this set as a virtual ultrawide for desktop use - meaning when I'm in work mode then programs like Chrome/Excel are constrained to a middle horizontal stripe of the TV - 3840x1440 let's say, with the top and bottom 16.7% as blacked out pixels, but then when gaming it uses fullscreen? Is there such thing as setting up a custom/virtual resolution in WIndows 10, or better with a window manager/arranger?

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https://github.com/microsoft/PowerToys "Fancy Zones" feature, combined with black background, hiding the taskbar, and TranslucentTB to make the remaining sliver transparent.

Or make a custom resolution (like 3840x1600) and use that for work, switch to 2160p for play.
 
Okay since Horizon was a disappointment and I have literally nothing but cyberpunk that I'm interested in this year, I sold my 2080 Ti.

Gonna grab a new GPU at the end of the year and in the meantime play the 25 indie titles in my backlog that are almost all pixel art games my 1070 can handle
 
SoCali said:
Okay since Horizon was a disappointment and I have literally nothing but cyberpunk that I'm interested in this year, I sold my 2080 Ti.

Gonna grab a new GPU at the end of the year and in the meantime play the 25 indie titles in my backlog that are almost all pixel art games my 1070 can handle
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2080 Ti would've allowed you to use Integer Scaling though which is a massive benefit for pixel art games. Of course if they can natively render at 4k then it's a moot point but if the games were to cap out at 1080p then Integer Scaling would've been nice to have.
 
I’m really enjoying this as a monitor. Now I am only using this for gaming. I might surf the internet on it like here or amazon. The motion on this thing is amazing. I’m running 4k@120hz 4.2.0 . I can see some blurry ness around red lettering in games but other then that I’m happy with it. Been playing Jedi Fallen order , WOW , Diablo 3 and bloodstained. So little bit of everything. I tried some HDR, but it’s just to bright for me. I’m super sensitive to light and it just kills my eyes. Same with the BFI even at 120hz I can see it and I can’t use it. Even with out it , the motion is still top quality. People talking about IPS with 1000:1 contrast and all that. Toss in some glow in the corners and it just kills dark games for me. Contrast is what really gives that extra pop to games and movies. My projector has a 160k native contrast and it’s a huge jump over my old projector that was around 3k. Makes all the difference in world in dark movies. I definitely see me keeping this for a long while.
 
Makeroflostsouls said:
I’m really enjoying this as a monitor. Now I am only using this for gaming. I might surf the internet on it like here or amazon. The motion on this thing is amazing. I’m running 4k@120hz 4.2.0 . I can see some blurry ness around red lettering in games but other then that I’m happy with it. Been playing Jedi Fallen order , WOW , Diablo 3 and bloodstained. So little bit of everything. I tried some HDR, but it’s just to bright for me. I’m super sensitive to light and it just kills my eyes. Same with the BFI even at 120hz I can see it and I can’t use it. Even with out it , the motion is still top quality. People talking about IPS with 1000:1 contrast and all that. Toss in some glow in the corners and it just kills dark games for me. Contrast is what really gives that extra pop to games and movies. My projector has a 160k native contrast and it’s a huge jump over my old projector that was around 3k. Makes all the difference in world in dark movies. I definitely see me keeping this for a long while.
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Yup, I’m with you. Some people are finding nits to pick — and for them they might be legitimate — but I’m just not that demanding. This is the definite upgrade from the already awesome B7 that I anticipated it to be, and I’m not even experiencing it at its full capabilities yet (no 4:4:4@120Hz, no G-Sync). I’ve been using it daily at 120Hz 4:2:0 and finding everything except small red text (which is rare) to be perfectly acceptable. Motion clarity and general image quality are outstanding. Perfection will be achieved if the Nvidia 3xxx GPUs support HDMI 2.1. LCD displays are a thing of the past for me regardless.
 
So....Juat Beats & Shapes may just be the ultimate OLED game. If it supported HDR it definitely would be...and would probably give 9/10 people a seizure.
 
Can answer a few questions for me:
#1: Is PC mode actually the only way to get full chroma? I have tried HDMI mode as well and checked the HDMI Diagnostics Menu, and the CX is reporting 2160p60 8-bit RGB.
#2: Related to #1, I am only able to eliminate rainbow fringing around text by labeling input as HDMI and using Game Mode. Labeling input as PC exaggerates the fringing problem.
#3 Is it okay to leave Windows 10 set to HDR at all times? I read at AVSForum this will shorten the lifespan of TV because OLED Light is set to 100.
#4 What are your preferred settings under SDR and HDR Game Mode (OLED Light, brightness/contrast/color/sharpness), Dynamic Tone Mapping/HGiG, etc.?
 
Now that Asus has announced an HDMI 2.1 version of its PG43UQ 43" gaming LCD (2160p144, DP1.4+DSC, DisplayHDR 1000), I am starting to regret my purchase of LG CX 48.
 
Vega said:
That will be a peice of junk compared. Non FALD LCD with slow/inverted pixel structure.
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Yep. The first version was a huge disappointment (I myself was hyped for it) and I don’t expect that one to be vastly better outside of those updated specs.
 
Vega said:
That will be a peice of junk compared. Non FALD LCD with slow/inverted pixel structure.
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That's good to know. I guess you can't rely on specs to predict performance of an LCD. It is same price as LG CX 48, so I would have expected it to perform pretty well.
 
I have no idea what I am doing with settings and what not, but 120Hz at whatever-chroma is _amazing_; however, not nearly as amazing as the contrast and BLACK blacks - not blurry, cloudy, gray LCD bullshit but actual solid blacks and smooth shadow gradients.

Doom 3, STALKER, Metro - these are like brand new games to me now!
 
schoolslave said:
I have no idea what I am doing with settings and what not, but 120Hz at whatever-chroma is _amazing_; however, not nearly as amazing as the contrast and BLACK blacks - not blurry, cloudy, gray LCD bullshit but actual solid blacks and smooth shadow gradients.

Doom 3, STALKER, Metro - these are like brand new games to me now!
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It was crazy to experience the blacks on an OLED for the first time. When you can have the display turned on, with a black wallpaper and taskbar hidden, and it looks the same as if it's turned off.

The 48CX has definitely made me want to go back and replay titles that I previously enjoyed at 60Hz or pre-OLED. It's an entirely new experience.
 
Lateralus said:
The 48CX has definitely made me want to go back and replay titles that I previously enjoyed at 60Hz or pre-OLED. It's an entirely new experience.
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I want to do a Mass Effect run through all four games, especially if they get the remaster out.

A few hacks were needed to get the original trilogy to run at higher framerates, but >60FPS with G-Sync made a huge difference.
 
IdiotInCharge said:
I want to do a Mass Effect run through all four games, especially if they get the remaster out.

A few hacks were needed to get the original trilogy to run at higher framerates, but >60FPS with G-Sync made a huge difference.
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Oh yeah. Only thing that sucks is when you run across old games that weren't designed to run above 60fps and stuff like physics gets wonky above that, but there are usually fixes or workarounds...and IME, those games are somewhat rare anyway. At least out of the ones that I play. And even if you're forced to cap the framerate to 60Hz, you still get all the other benefits and the amazing image quality.

I need to do another System Shock 2 run sometime. :)
 
JasonHF said:
Now that Asus has announced an HDMI 2.1 version of its PG43UQ 43" gaming LCD (2160p144, DP1.4+DSC, DisplayHDR 1000), I am starting to regret my purchase of LG CX 48.
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JasonHF said:
That's good to know. I guess you can't rely on specs to predict performance of an LCD. It is same price as LG CX 48, so I would have expected it to perform pretty well.
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lol NO
 
IdiotInCharge said:
I want to do a Mass Effect run through all four games, especially if they get the remaster out.

A few hacks were needed to get the original trilogy to run at higher framerates, but >60FPS with G-Sync made a huge difference.
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The .ini tweaks don't really do much though. Well not for me at least, I did the tweaks to remove the 62fps cap in Mass Effect 2 hoping to be able to play the game at a locked 120fps with BFI on my 2080 Ti and the game just ended up having ridiculous frame rate fluctuations dropping as low as 40's and not going any higher than 80's. Real damn shame because ME2 is my favorite one in the series and I was really hoping to be able to enjoy it in glorious 4k120fps with BFI. Surely a remaster will better optimize the game for modern hardware though and finally let me play the game at it's best.
 
MistaSparkul said:
The .ini tweaks don't really do much though. Well not for me at least, I did the tweaks to remove the 62fps cap in Mass Effect 2 hoping to be able to play the game at a locked 120fps with BFI on my 2080 Ti and the game just ended up having ridiculous frame rate fluctuations dropping as low as 40's and not going any higher than 80's. Real damn shame because ME2 is my favorite one in the series and I was really hoping to be able to enjoy it in glorious 4k120fps BFI.
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I was able to run both ME1 and ME2 without restriction, I just ran them with the global frame limiter in RTSS. ME3 on the other hand required a lower limit for the cover animations to work, I wound up settling on 93FPS. That may or may not be the upper limit, but at some point your character cannot activate abilities while covering and must aim by standing up or leaning out a bit to do anything which results in a quick death. I've done multiple runs like this through the trilogy since all three were released, on the highest difficulty level for ME2 and ME3 as well. The higher framerates help significantly when cranking the difficulty!
 
Vega said:
That will be a peice of junk compared. Non FALD LCD with slow/inverted pixel structure.
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I've yet to see a FALD implementation that impressed me. FALD isn't the holy grail some make it out to be.
 
Absalom said:
I've yet to see a FALD implementation that impressed me. FALD isn't the holy grail some make it out to be.
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Yep, at the end of the day, your still stuck with slow LCD pixels with FALD. OLED 120hz is so freakin Snappy LCD cannot compete.

The X27 and $3600 32" version will make fine productivity / websurfing monitors, but that is about it
 
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