iPhone 12 Won't Include Charger Or EarPods In Box

If it really is to reduce e-waste, and the price of the phone is lowered by the amount of those parts: charger, cable, headphones, then I am all for it.
 
Derangel said:
The world doesn’t revolve around you and your fucking retarded opinions. I buy the Apple products I do because I fucking like them. I prefer Apple mobile devices over Android. Simple as that. Not my fault your closed-minded ass can’t accept opinions that differ from your own.
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Lol calls someone's opinions fucking retarded while arguing with an opinion. What makes your opinion not fucking retarded?
 
UnknownSouljer said:
If you want this to be a discussion primarily about build quality we can do that. I spent about 5 minutes looking up the Dell XPS 13 and 15 as an example and there is a litany of common problems on current hardware.
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I'm not saying Dell or other companies don't screw up, I'm saying that Apple is one of the screw ups. I have a Dell XPS M1710 that was left behind by the previous owner because the GPU fried itself and it wouldn't boot. The reason for this is because Dell didn't ramp up the fan speed until the GPU was cooked. I have since fixed the laptop but by no means do I say buy a Dell product.
Apple has two items on their product stack that haven't really been updated. And that's the Macbook Air and the Mac Mini. Considering the rest of their product stack is more than solid, telling people to not buy two models like telling people to not buy two models from a car company isn't even remotely a big deal.
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Apple has proven multiple times to screw up their products and when the broken clock that is Apple is correct twice a day, it doesn't mean you should buy them. This absolutely applies to automobiles. That's why you have a mechanic that tells you to buy this not that.

Bad design is bad design. I wouldn't call Nintendo having bad joy-cons anti-consumer. That's a leap at best.
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It is when Nintendo ignored the problem and people had to buy expensive joysticks. Luckily the problem is getting enough coverage that Nintendo is forced to take action.
You'd have to prove that Apple's intent is to do things against the customer. And even as lawsuits are considering 'looking into it' it's a really high bar to prove. Guilty until proven innocent though, I'm sure. And as I've stated, the rest of their lineup sans 2 products are bullet proof. And the rest are likely to be the first to get updated with ARM. I guess that's enough evidence for you to take the extreme leap that they're "anti-consumer" though.
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What is Apple doing about the poor cooling? What did Apple do about the butterfly keyboards? I can go back 10 to 20 years and you'll see that Apple has done nothing to help those with issues using their products. Their answer is buy the newer model that fixed the issue.
Okay great. Feel free to read my thoughts about testing methodology below. But in short this isn't a particularly good reason to be on any OS.
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Did you find a benchmark to prove your point? I don't see any benchmark.
Well, you're welcome to buy Apple and dictate to them what they do. You're basically complaining that a company is able to make it's own choices in the market. Not sure what your point is here.
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That's not the point Unkown. You said Apple can't support more hardware because it would ruin the Apple magic and I'm telling you there's no magic.
Right. So all synthetic.
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No, no they're not all synthetic Uknown. The games certainly aren't. Firefox, Chrome, and 7zip aren't synthetic. I get you Apple fanboys will dismiss anything to prove your point but it doesn't work.
The only way to test remotely fairly would be to find applications that serve similar functions that were coded and optimized for that system and test those functions.
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Then get to it and find some benchmarks.
FCPX has been shown multiple times to be definitely faster at rendering than Premiere and Resolve.
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FIND THE BENCHMARKS FANBOY!
And similarly DOTA 2, a game for Windows, was clearly optimized for Windows and continues to be so, whereas it won't have those optimization on macOS.
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It also runs faster on Linux as well. Which means you're wrong.

This is the dumbest idea I've ever heard. Whose going to pay for their development? Who is going to increase their profit margins? You? The dev community? People using it for free? Apple is a company. You figure out how to give them their billions every year and I'm sure they can figure out a way to give you their platform for free.
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Android is free. CUPS developed by Apple is open source and freely used in Linux.
You should also expect Windows to do the same. Why should only Apple be open source?
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Like anything else open source it improves the product. The community can improve the product.
Literally this is the dumbest argument ever. "macOS should be free and open source so that they can gain customers that won't pay them including some guy on some forum somewhere". Cool idea. We should all do that for all of our businesses and see how that works out.
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Google literally does this with Android. The idea is dominate the market so they can better advertise and get people onto the Play Store.

There isn't much of a point in looking at your links because of the information above. Feel free to show me any program that is optimized equally well on different operating systems. You won't, because it's impossible.
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I'm going to do your homework? You're the one who said Final Cut Pro is better than anything. I can't find anything that says that you're correct.
 
DukenukemX said:
I'm not saying Dell or other companies don't screw up, I'm saying that Apple is one of the screw ups. I have a Dell XPS M1710 that was left behind by the previous owner because the GPU fried itself and it wouldn't boot. The reason for this is because Dell didn't ramp up the fan speed until the GPU was cooked. I have since fixed the laptop but by no means do I say buy a Dell product.

Apple has proven multiple times to screw up their products and when the broken clock that is Apple is correct twice a day, it doesn't mean you should buy them. This absolutely applies to automobiles. That's why you have a mechanic that tells you to buy this not that.


It is when Nintendo ignored the problem and people had to buy expensive joysticks. Luckily the problem is getting enough coverage that Nintendo is forced to take action.

What is Apple doing about the poor cooling? What did Apple do about the butterfly keyboards? I can go back 10 to 20 years and you'll see that Apple has done nothing to help those with issues using their products. Their answer is buy the newer model that fixed the issue.

Did you find a benchmark to prove your point? I don't see any benchmark.

That's not the point Unkown. You said Apple can't support more hardware because it would ruin the Apple magic and I'm telling you there's no magic.

No, no they're not all synthetic Uknown. The games certainly aren't. Firefox, Chrome, and 7zip aren't synthetic. I get you Apple fanboys will dismiss anything to prove your point but it doesn't work.

Then get to it and find some benchmarks.

FIND THE BENCHMARKS FANBOY!

It also runs faster on Linux as well. Which means you're wrong.


Android is free. CUPS developed by Apple is open source and freely used in Linux.

Like anything else open source it improves the product. The community can improve the product.

Google literally does this with Android. The idea is dominate the market so they can better advertise and get people onto the Play Store.


I'm going to do your homework? You're the one who said Final Cut Pro is better than anything. I can't find anything that says that you're correct.
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Honestly if you don't like Apple that much why the hell are you in here arguing on a thread about the iPhone? Seems like a huge waste of time to me.

Maybe the two of you should hash it out in PMs and let everyone else talk about the potential lack of charging cable on the thread? Just my 2 cents.
 
kju1 said:
Honestly if you don't like Apple that much why the hell are you in here arguing on a thread about the iPhone? Seems like a huge waste of time to me.

Maybe the two of you should hash it out in PMs and let everyone else talk about the potential lack of charging cable on the thread? Just my 2 cents.
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Rabid Apple haters cant live with the fact that there are many that use Apple products daily and never have an issue. It means they are wrong and can’t hack it.
 
What happens with the old saying "We won't warranty your device if you use an aftermarket charger". This is going to cause issues if they don't supply the chargers now, since many will use whatever they have.
 
NIZMOZ said:
What happens with the old saying "We won't warranty your device if you use an aftermarket charger". This is going to cause issues if they don't supply the chargers now, since many will use whatever they have.
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I believe its changed to "authorized charger" and since Apple still makes them...

On the other hand good luck proving I didn't use an Apple branded charger. Especially if I only ever charged it via USB.

As a side note Sony was pretty shitty with this back in the PS1 days. I had a PS1 die due to the heat issue with the laser and they blamed it on me plugging it into surge protection and would not warranty it. No shit the guy said a direct connection to the wall was the only allowed method and a surge protector voided the warranty.
 
kju1 said:
I believe its changed to "authorized charger" and since Apple still makes them...

On the other hand good luck proving I didn't use an Apple branded charger. Especially if I only ever charged it via USB.

As a side note Sony was pretty shitty with this back in the PS1 days. I had a PS1 die due to the heat issue with the laser and they blamed it on me plugging it into surge protection and would not warranty it. No shit the guy said a direct connection to the wall was the only allowed method and a surge protector voided the warranty.
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That is super shitty to straight-up deny a warranty claim over that. It is has been advised in the past by some electronics manufacturers to plug a device directly into the wall, but there's a lot of evidence that proves plugging into a surge protector is benign. Yours is the first I've heard of, but my sample pool is small. And, to be fair, that surely would have been 20+ years ago.

Though now you're giving me flashbacks of having 3 PlayStations go bad on me for various reasons (power supply, laser, and power supply).
 
kju1 said:
I believe its changed to "authorized charger" and since Apple still makes them...

On the other hand good luck proving I didn't use an Apple branded charger. Especially if I only ever charged it via USB.

As a side note Sony was pretty shitty with this back in the PS1 days. I had a PS1 die due to the heat issue with the laser and they blamed it on me plugging it into surge protection and would not warranty it. No shit the guy said a direct connection to the wall was the only allowed method and a surge protector voided the warranty.
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Wow, its better protected with a surge protector. That is shocking literally. lol
 
DJ Lushious said:
That is super shitty to straight-up deny a warranty claim over that. It is has been advised in the past by some electronics manufacturers to plug a device directly into the wall, but there's a lot of evidence that proves plugging into a surge protector is benign. Yours is the first I've heard of, but my sample pool is small. And, to be fair, that surely would have been 20+ years ago.

Though now you're giving me flashbacks of having 3 PlayStations go bad on me for various reasons (power supply, laser, and power supply).
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NIZMOZ said:
Wow, its better protected with a surge protector. That is shocking literally. lol
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Well my sample size is also just me. The console was like 3 weeks old when it died - I had been playing it non stop pretty much (summer break from school). We eventually got the local games store (think it was EB back then) to swap it out and send the dead one back to the manufacturer as a dead display unit.
 
GoodBoy said:
If it really is to reduce e-waste, and the price of the phone is lowered by the amount of those parts: charger, cable, headphones, then I am all for it.
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Ideally, but I suspect the reality is that those add very little to the price of the phone....probably under 10 bucks, so I wouldn't expect much if any discount.
 
nilepez said:
Ideally, but I suspect the reality is that those add very little to the price of the phone....probably under 10 bucks, so I wouldn't expect much if any discount.
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Yeah they probably cost a few dollars to manufacture. But they charge the customer $30 or whatever for the part, the phone should be discounted by the same so when someone does buy all the parts that were previously included, they pay the same price for the phone as they would previously.

I don't really trust Apple to do that, and saying the effort is to reduce e-waste will appeal to many. I suspect they will still pay for the parts (in the phone price), just not get them. And later when the part is needed, they get to fork out an extra $30.
 
One thing I don't believe many have considered: if true, this is partly a reflection of the practical realities of the pandemic.

Air freight is harder to come by as there are fewer aircraft flying (cargo isn't limited to dedicated jets). If Apple excludes the charger and earbuds, it can shrink the packaging and ship more iPhones aboard a given flight. That maintains Apple's ability to ship even in the current climate, cuts shipping costs, and of course looks good from an environmental perspective.

Don't get me wrong, this could just as easily be about maintaining prices or boosting profit margins... but there are plenty of other factors to consider.
 
Aurelius said:
One thing I don't believe many have considered: if true, this is partly a reflection of the practical realities of the pandemic.

Air freight is harder to come by as there are fewer aircraft flying (cargo isn't limited to dedicated jets). If Apple excludes the charger and earbuds, it can shrink the packaging and ship more iPhones aboard a given flight. That maintains Apple's ability to ship even in the current climate, cuts shipping costs, and of course looks good from an environmental perspective.

Don't get me wrong, this could just as easily be about maintaining prices or boosting profit margins... but there are plenty of other factors to consider.
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People keep saying this but when I talk to my friends in the industry there was a lack of demand for common carriage for people but cargo didn't really decline according to them. Also that sets aside quite bit of cargo comes by sea not air.

The FAA hasn't published anything yet but will see what their stats show when they do. As far as looking at ADSB I saw a shitton of planes flying even during the lockdown...
 
GoodBoy said:
Yeah they probably cost a few dollars to manufacture. But they charge the customer $30 or whatever for the part, the phone should be discounted by the same so when someone does buy all the parts that were previously included, they pay the same price for the phone as they would previously.

I don't really trust Apple to do that, and saying the effort is to reduce e-waste will appeal to many. I suspect they will still pay for the parts (in the phone price), just not get them. And later when the part is needed, they get to fork out an extra $30.
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I wouldn't expect any company to reduce it by the retail price for those items. That dream ended, for me, at least 10 or 20 years ago. And TBH, I doubt they increase the price of the phone by the retail price of those items. That said, what would be nice is if they gave a coupon for discount on a power block and for a lightning cable that can be used if you return your old power block or cable. Honestly, I'd like a cable included with the phone, because those wear out. Charging blocks, OTOH, seem to last for a very long time. Nevertheless, if yours dies, it'd be nice to be able to get one for a reasonable price (not more than 10 bucks), so long as you return your broken charging block.
 
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