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I saw the slide deck, so I'm not listening to someone who has their own issues with honesty. I didn't see anything that was dishonest in the PPT.
He raised good points in this one and there is much to criticize in the slides and Intel's marketing in general lately.I saw the slide deck, so I'm not listening to someone who has their own issues with honesty. I didn't see anything that was dishonest in the PPT.
Having done many benchmarks between Intel's CPU's and AMD's, I can tell you that it's stance that "benchmarks don't matter" tell you all you need to know. Intel only competes well on the gaming front outside of a few select applications which feature specific Intel optimizations that don't really scale well with larger thread count CPU's. At best, any benchmark data released by Intel is going to show Intel in the nicest possible light. At worst, benchmarks are likely to be misleading to anyone who sees them.
It's marketing 101 and while most of the companies that dominate this industry have all done this for as long as I can recall, Intel sets the standard for it. AMD, NVIDIA, Intel, and other companies have all done it in the past. This isn't exactly shocking.
Now, playing Devil's advocate, Intel's stance that "benchmarks don't matter" isn't entirely wrong. Most of the time, Intel and AMD are equal across any tasks that don't require the extra thread count AMD brings to the table. In contrast, there are applications where single-threaded performance makes a huge difference and Intel's clock speed advantage certainly improves its performance, however, those applications are almost equally few. For the vast majority of use cases, you could buy either AMD or Intel products and you wouldn't ever notice the difference.
Of course, the bulk of us here are enthusiasts. It's those niche use cases and specific scenarios that make the decision for us. In some cases, it comes down to price/performance. In those cases, we gravitate towards the solutions we are biased towards or work better for our intended uses.
I would even support them if they actually meant it, even if it comes from blatant hipocricy, but it'sNow, playing Devil's advocate, Intel's stance that "benchmarks don't matter" isn't entirely wrong. Most of the time, Intel and AMD are equal across any tasks that don't require the extra thread count AMD brings to the table. In contrast, there are applications where single-threaded performance makes a huge difference and Intel's clock speed advantage certainly improves its performance, however, those applications are almost equally few. For the vast majority of use cases, you could buy either AMD or Intel products and you wouldn't ever notice the difference.
I would even support them if they actually meant it, even if it comes from blatant hipocricy, but it'sscummydishonest to bash benchmarks like Cinebench as not real world while promotingIntelBapco SYSmark as reference real world at the same time.
... need a hit of smack, and need to pass out on the streets of Edinburgh.
I agree with your "Benchmarks don't matter" assessement as I've noted the same thing for a while. I've swapped between AMD and Intel several times in the past year and in day to day use, I don't "feel" a difference between the two in normal tasks.
What is comical about this Intel scenario is how Intel's marketing relied on benchmarks for so long only to see it be tweaked to "Real World benchmarks" and now to "Benchmarks don't matter." Then with Rocket Lake, maybe benchmarks will matter again?
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Look at size of his thumb and then look at the area for a die with all the pin space and caps on each side.. die is even smaller than I thought.That's a huge 4 tile GPU chip. I would be surprised if that's for us mere mortals. I'm guessing their single and possibly dual tile chips would be more consumer oriented. Not really sure what it's got to do with this thread though. Would be funny if all the outlets decided not to benchmark it since benchmarks don't matter to Intel . (see what I did there, I brought it back into the thread topic).