Bill Gates, Airbus, Softbank back EarthNow plan to cover Earth with real-time video surveillance satellites

Zarathustra[H] said:
So, if accurate as spelled out, this is alarming. You do realize you are citing a tabloid though, right?

I'm going to Google for some more reliable sources for this news.
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So, alternate sources do address the privacy concerns.

They claim to be intentionally limiting the systems resolution in order to make it useless for harvesting personally identifiable data.

It still sounds a little concerning, but a hell of a lot less so than the original sources up top.

That's still a lot of trust to put in a private company. We all saw how quickly Google abandoned "don't be evil" when money got involved...
 
Planet Labs and others did this ages ago. They aren't going to build 500 spy satellites, that would be insanely expensive in money, bandwidth, and processing. Neither Google Earth nor streetview has updated at my place in over fiver years.
 
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They claim to be intentionally limiting the systems resolution in order to make it useless for harvesting personally identifiable data.
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Well, it's a "limited resolution" to the public, and to those that aren't under contract, or the highest bidder. ;)
Yet another dark cyberpunk-style megacorp emerges in 2020.

That's still a lot of trust to put in a private company. We all saw how quickly Google abandoned "don't he evil" when money got involved...
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Yeah, 2015, that was a good year. :oops:
 
tangoseal said:
here is my point

Claim: The Sun came up this morning in the United States
Snopes Fact Check: False - according to evidence posted by CNN the Sun did not rise this morning in the United States.
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Absolute bullshit.

Edit: And just for clarity: Snopes is probably the best fact checking site around right now. It doesn't make them perfect, just makes them the most reliable. They make mistakes, they sometimes add editorialized comments to their articles, and they do lean left (not to an extreme, but the lean is there). However, they provide clear sources and address myths from BOTH political sides calling out bad information across the board.
 
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I haven't clicked on the Snopes link in question in this thread, but I've seen enough Snopes pages to know they are often less reliable than the claims they claim, often falsely, to debunk.

Snopes style "fact-checking":

1. [Insert claim]

2. [insert personal, often very naive and ignorant doubts and conjecture regarding the claim, and present an extremely-reaching rationalization involving much illogic for why the claim must not be true without using sources to substantiate whether there is merit to the rationalization or while misrepresenting the sources used]

3. [insert assertion of having debunked or verified the claim, without actually having done so]


A lot of their pages I've looked at are cringey childish excuse-making for why claims which are at odds mainstream propaganda narrative. Based on who a claim benefits or harms, the assertion of True or False for a claim can be very reliably guessed before looking at they said. They use their assertions to protect their preferred propaganda.


None of the "fact-checking" sites out there are reliable, from what I've seen. They seem to all be run by people who are highly bigoted and dogmatic in the propaganda they believe, and maybe with big chips on their shoulders. And they all just bend-over backwards to rationalize things towards their pre-determined conclusion for the purpose of propagandizing other people, ignoring obvious logic and falsely using words like "true, "false" and "debunked" to do so. And considering that they rarely ever act as something other than mainstream propaganda shills, it's likely some of them are state-backed or corporate-backed by mainstream information sources. I think they're really only there to serve as an additional layer to the propaganda being peddled by MSM, to make experiencing confirmation bias all the more easy.
 
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tangoseal said:
if youd just listen to your inner self.
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You mean bowel movements? Yes, some of the wealthy leaders of the world do believe in spiritual crap. That doesn't mean spiritual crap is real, it means having money doesn't make you clever. That should be obvious, especially now.
 
I'm a less behaved citizen who does some illegal stuff but this actually sounds like a fun thing. Google Maps with live view! As long as it's available for the public.
What do you have to hide, hmmm? ;)

Having Softbank behind this means it's most likely going to become a reality.
 
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tangoseal said:
here is my point

Claim: The Sun came up this morning in the United States
Snopes Fact Check: False - according to evidence posted by CNN the Sun did not rise this morning in the United States.
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Well the sources refuting are direct quotes from Gates that anyone can watch or read for themselves, while the source supporting is a random website made up quotes. Even if you click on the video they linked you get taken to this page where they posted this erratum:

ERRATUM: To be completely fair and accurate, I should have stated that Gates seeks to reduce the anticipated growth of the human population rather than that he seeks to reduce the current population. I admit that the latter slogan, that is contained in the video, is a bit misleading and I do not want to insinuate that Gates seeks to kill off currently living people. He rather seeks to lower the projected population growth.
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So you don't have a point.
 
eclypse said:
He has said as much out.in the open.. what more do you need?
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...when you clip small segments of things out of context, yes.

He is on record wanting to limit population growth. That is true. And he also believes vaccines can help accomplish this, that is also true.

The theory is that when child mortality rates go down, and most children actually survive until they are adults, people have fewer children, because they don't need as many "spares".

Vaccines accomplish this reduction in child mortality.

I'm not 100% convinced his theory is sound. I think there are more complexities to that equation than he has expressed, but one thing is certain, and that is, in no way shape or form has he suggested that vaccines will help kill anyone in order to limit pooulation.

The only way you can come to that conclusion is by intentionally twisting his words out of context, cutting little snippets from here or there without the full meaning of what he has said.
 
Aix. said:
Not that I expect much here but:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/bill-gates-vaccinations-depopulation/
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So based off a assumption that improved surival rate will result in reduced birthrate is dumb. This is based off correlation = causation in the West. Commensurate with improved survivability we had agricultural revolution in lowing the need for labor, a massive improvement in the average standard of living in addition to the advent of vaccination.

This is guy trying to curb population growth while keeping these countries backward and poor.

The only thing he will accomplish if he's successful is a population boom in those countries which will happen until they are hit by another limiter, probably food. So he'll explode their population and lower the standard of living, cause mass starvation.
 
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Jagger100 said:
So based off a assumption that improved surival rate will result in reduced birthrate is dumb. This is based off correlation = causation in the West. Commensurate with improved survivability we had agricultural revolution in lowing the need for labor, a massive improvement in the average standard of living in addition to the advent of vaccination.

This is guy trying to curb population growth while keeping these countries backward and poor.
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Agreed.

The theory is flawed.

A lot of the reduction in birth rate comes from economical changes, not from lower child mortality rates. When people have higher educational aspirations they tend to delay having children. And then when they become professionals having 16 children is no longer convenient due to work schedules.

These changes in economies tend to happen at about the same time (slightly after really) changes in healthcare that lower child mortality rates leading to this inaccurate correlation.

Usually what happens as economies develop is something like this:

1.) Healthcare/vaccinations improve resulting in reduced infant/child mortality rates
2.) Population EXPLODES in size in a very short period of time
3.) Economy develops
4.) People start having fewer kids due to more advanced education/economy and affordable availability of family planning
5.) Population stabilizes.

Europe and the U.S. had this occurr first, followed by country after country across the world. Hopefully all of them will get there eventually.

So, I don't think it will have the immediate effect he suggests, but the fact that he has a flawed theory regarding what will cause people to have smaller families DOES NOT mean he is trying to kill people with vaccines.

That is the worst sort of crazy tin foil hat talk I can possibly think of.

The man is trying to solve poverty and improve health across the planet. It is very admirable work, even if some of his theories may be a little flawed.
 
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Jagger100 said:
So based off a assumption that improved surival rate will result in reduced birthrate is dumb. This is based off correlation = causation in the West. Commensurate with improved survivability we had agricultural revolution in lowing the need for labor, a massive improvement in the average standard of living in addition to the advent of vaccination.

This is guy trying to curb population growth while keeping these countries backward and poor.

The only thing he will accomplish if he's successful is a population boom in those countries which will happen until they are hit by another limiter, probably food. So he'll explode their population and lower the standard of living, cause mass starvation.
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I didn't say his theory was correct or incorrect, I simply wanted to add some context to this brain rot:

Bill Gates, the man that has spoken out in the open that we need to limit man to 500 million.. His vaccine he says will kill 700k but that's ok.. that's the price we got to pay..
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I go with this:

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Ehhh population control/thinning should be considered. Better to tackle now vs. the strongest countries in the world “snapping” their fingers...
 
Red Falcon said:
Feel free to be the first to volunteer to stand in line for the population thinning. :meh:
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Must be nice not having to watch your family or kids starve to death. I mean what is a few million dead people a year from lack of food?

You don’t have to thin the population by murdering people, can be done many other ways. But since you jumped straight to killing, don’t think you or your quoting fanboi would see it any other way.
 
Wow Bill Gates went pretty quickly from helping to save lives in Africa to Dr. Evil bent on world domination. This corona virus must have made some people crazy, that or they need to put the bottle down.
 
I use to have a lot of respect for Bill but in recent time he has been becoming more insane.
 
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Delicieuxz said:
or for when thieves plotting to rob a house when someone isn't home
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yea, that would be a problem LOL ... are you serious? Do you rob houses? Just asking since you see satellite surveillance of house robbers as a drawback
 
UltraTaco said:
Yes, but not ultra tacos.

Maybe Mr.Bill should stick to making windows.
Hopefully I won't be chased by AI powered drones with Microsoft logo at 3 am for those words.

If anything happns, taco loved everyone here. Stay safe, and eat well on Tuesdays.
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Chomp! :D
 
HAL_404 said:
yea, that would be a problem LOL ... are you serious? Do you rob houses? Just asking since you see satellite surveillance of house robbers as a drawback
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You misunderstood my comment. I see thieves being able to monitor when people leave their homes, letting the thieves know when homes are empty and vulnerable, as a drawback.
 
Someone made this comment on LTT. I think it's a good one.

Kind of curious with all the talk people were having of small scale crime (stalking, kidnapping, etc) nobody mentioned how this would make it easier for governments to track dissidents (leaving aside the argument about resolution for a moment). Even if you trust your government/ruling party, can you say the same for other governments/parties? If something like this does go live with a resolution that allows tracking people, you can guarantee that countries that do not already have access to this sort of system but want it (e.g Iran, Turkey) would be at the front of the line to get access.
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Delicieuxz said:
Someone made this comment on LTT. I think it's a good one.
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Why would governments need public satellite projects like this when they have government-controlled private ones already? I said it before and ill say it again: I dont understand how everyone can be so forgetful that governments around the world already can do this. This adds nothing but bringing the ability to the average person rather than being government controlled. Don't like it? Then get your government to stop and make it illegal, and hopefully have enough trust in them that the government wont just continue using the satellites against the law anyway.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satellite#Launch-capable_countries
 

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EniGmA1987 said:
Why would governments need public satellite projects like this when they have government-controlled private ones already? I said it before and ill say it again: I dont understand how everyone can be so forgetful that governments around the world already can do this. This adds nothing but bringing the ability to the average person rather than being government controlled. Don't like it? Then get your government to stop and make it illegal, and hopefully have enough trust in them that the government wont just continue using the satellites against the law anyway.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satellite#Launch-capable_countries
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If governments have such an array of satellites that can track every moment of people's lives with real-time video feed, then surely those satellite arrays are known of and tracked by hobbyists. I'm not saying they're there or not, but such a large network of satellites can't really be hidden, can they?

But whether governments already do that, now political parties and groups who aren't the incumbent government will be able to do it.
 
Delicieuxz said:
If governments have such an array of satellites that can track every moment of people's lives with real-time video feed, then surely those satellite arrays are known of and tracked by hobbyists. I'm not saying they're there or not, but such a large network of satellites can't really be hidden, can they?

But whether governments already do that, now political parties and groups who aren't the incumbent government will be able to do it.
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There are ways to hide satellites with varying degrees of effectiveness. See: https://www.space.com/637-anatomy-spy-satellite.html for some general ideas.

EniGmA1987 said:
Why would governments need public satellite projects like this when they have government-controlled private ones already? I said it before and ill say it again: I dont understand how everyone can be so forgetful that governments around the world already can do this. This adds nothing but bringing the ability to the average person rather than being government controlled. Don't like it? Then get your government to stop and make it illegal, and hopefully have enough trust in them that the government wont just continue using the satellites against the law anyway.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satellite#Launch-capable_countries
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Goverenments won't, but private companies having this level of data is scary. If you aren't already concerned about how much data google, Facebook, et al have on you well...you should be. The big difference is we hold our governments accountable and require them to get independent permission (i.e. warrants) before they can just go watching you sun bathe on a private beach. Companies will not be getting that oversight.

Get your government to stop and make it illegal is such a joke. How effective do you think that would actually be with lobbyists in the mix? Ill give you a hint: not at all.
 
kju1 said:
Goverenments won't, but private companies having this level of data is scary. If you aren't already concerned about how much data google, Facebook, et al have on you well...you should be. The big difference is we hold our governments accountable and require them to get independent permission (i.e. warrants) before they can just go watching you sun bathe on a private beach. Companies will not be getting that oversight.

Get your government to stop and make it illegal is such a joke. How effective do you think that would actually be with lobbyists in the mix? Ill give you a hint: not at all.
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Except governments arent really held accountable, and only seem to care about backdating a warrant if it ever gets public that they were doing something bordering/beyond illegal.
And why would Google or Facebook care about a satellite image of you going somewhere? They already have perfectly accurate GPS data on your moving about and have had that for years.
 
Well with the recent stay at home orders, I expect the population to explode in 8-9 months :D (I would say some had a very good time being at home)

What is interesting with video feed streams is you could have multiple targets from just one satellite, I would guess maybe even hundreds of targets. AI could then be used to track for trends, locations, where person left from and to. Combined that with Visa/Mastercard purchases, residence address an identity could be obtain transparently in the background without even human intervention, just data saved which could be used later. Patterns for people could be mapped out and recorded and tested periodically for consistency, all AI, law deals with people watching and actions not AI. Then that data can be sold to bidders whoever they maybe, criminals(public/government/whoever) could make plans that would get best odds for success. Insurance companies watching your driving habits, once again AI driven and no real human intervention except when you want to renew your policy and the insurance agency has firm data/information you routinely speed, driver further then you say, drive after going to bars . . .

Na it is just going to be used to capture all the beautiful clouds, sun rises over cities, wheat fields, rain storms, weather and nothing else, maybe some cows to calculate methane release into the atmosphere.
 
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