I've had various issues with both over the years. Driver crashes, black screens, dead cards, Windows Vista drivers, and so on. Going along with aokman's logic that must mean both companies suck.
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How AMD Radeon Sabotages Itself & Its Partners: Development Timelines & Failures
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I've had various issues with both over the years. Driver crashes, black screens, dead cards, Windows Vista drivers, and so on. Going along with aokman's logic that must mean both companies suck.
Smoked Brisket
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If you claimed he was reading emails, that is just not true. That means you saw a negative amd title and rushed to shut it down out of habit. His point is that he wants to recommend the card but cant because performance varies by 12% from cards of the same name at the same price. That is not great. This is the same guy that gave 5700xt graphic card of the year.
IdiotInCharge
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...after panning the very same card upon release for poor cooling and BIOS issues.
Sounds fair to me?
Only the reference model has poor cooling. Most of the aftermarket ones are fine. I don't recall the 5700 XT having BIOS issues. It had driver issues, something that's plagued all of Navi. However, they're not bad enough to prevent recommending cards on it's own. GN looked at a lot of 5700s and 5700 XTs last year,
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But that's what was available on release?
He recommended against buying it upon release -- and then recommended and even awarded it after the issues were fixed. That's fair, right?
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Hey, I didn't even say how I felt about what until I was put on point. I made it clear what I thought was dumb in my very first post. I think it stands on its own.
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Cant tell if YOU are panning MY post. But, yes, that does sound fair.
Eh perhaps I'm just an old cynical curmudgeon... but it seems to me that Steve just says whatever is going to get him the most youtube views that week. Its crap don't buy it... oh people are buying it... Card of the year !!!! lol
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Nvidia puts significantly more work into all aspects of their product launches and still manages to pull off the odd Turing... it's not hard to see how AMD rarely gets it all straightened out on release day, but they do also tend to get it together soon enough.
It basically summarizes to 'don't buy AMD upon release', and well, that's been the advice since they started making GPUs; at least Steve takes into account what AMD could do to get everything squared away and then recognizes them when they do.
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Who is that everyone else? Apart from those who can't update?
The only people screwed over by this move... are a few OEMs that made less then cards. Looks to me like the vast majority will have a perfectly fine working bios update.
People are also acting like Customers already have these. The bios was released before anyone ever purchased a 5600. Its not like 3 months after release AMD released a major bios update. Or 6 months later release a super version that was nothing but a bios update.
Yep as always do your research before you buy a card. Not all are equal... not all SKUs are equal.
I agree AMD should have really let their OEMs know they where doing this before anyone made cards. AMD either didn't trust them, as they where really trying to play some silly pricing game... or where not really planning to do this unless they really had to. I get the feeling they would have been more then happy selling these with the old bios... and moving more 5700s.
IMO this entire thing is being blown out of proportion. It may have been messy but it really doesn't effect end customers as I sort of doubt more then a handful of the cards won't be able to take the new bios and run at full Mem speed. Still if there are some OEMs that are honestly annoyed cause AMDs move highlights their crappy designs. The easy fix at this point would simply create a 5600 SKU with the old bios... have the vendors charge AMD a fee for reboxing them, and eat the pricing difference on all stock that requires rebranding. It wouldn't cost AMD much... and others have said. AMD would have a sku to compete vs 1660 and 2060. Would be good segmentation.... and it even gives AMD a cheapo 5600 sku for OEMs.
People are also acting like Customers already have these. The bios was released before anyone ever purchased a 5600. Its not like 3 months after release AMD released a major bios update. Or 6 months later release a super version that was nothing but a bios update.
Yep as always do your research before you buy a card. Not all are equal... not all SKUs are equal.
I agree AMD should have really let their OEMs know they where doing this before anyone made cards. AMD either didn't trust them, as they where really trying to play some silly pricing game... or where not really planning to do this unless they really had to. I get the feeling they would have been more then happy selling these with the old bios... and moving more 5700s.
IMO this entire thing is being blown out of proportion. It may have been messy but it really doesn't effect end customers as I sort of doubt more then a handful of the cards won't be able to take the new bios and run at full Mem speed. Still if there are some OEMs that are honestly annoyed cause AMDs move highlights their crappy designs. The easy fix at this point would simply create a 5600 SKU with the old bios... have the vendors charge AMD a fee for reboxing them, and eat the pricing difference on all stock that requires rebranding. It wouldn't cost AMD much... and others have said. AMD would have a sku to compete vs 1660 and 2060. Would be good segmentation.... and it even gives AMD a cheapo 5600 sku for OEMs.
I grabbed screenshots of quotes from his AIB sources.
https://hardforum.com/threads/radeo...eview-round-up.1992026/page-6#post-1044475424
Everything else is old news
It would be quite useful to read the TechpowerUp review where they compare the MSI card with & without memory overclock, everything else being the same
https://hardforum.com/threads/radeo...eview-round-up.1992026/page-4#post-1044471938
Lol. That is a broad statement and it can apply to anyone. So I don’t think there is much to complain there.
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Man, so much complaining here. The only thing I bought at launch was Ryzen 1000 series (1600 at first, released in April 2017). I did a day or 2 of research and ave had no issues with stability other than trying to find a stable OC (can't find a stable max OC without some crashing lol).
I found in those 2 days that I should avoid ASUS mobos like the plague and not to expect to run 3200MHz RAM unless I had a specific set of RAM and got somewhat lucky. Oh and also to set my Mobo to "typical current idle" or something like that because I had an old PSU to avoid random crashing at idle.
I did my research and have had zero issues. You people that have issues have not done your due dilligence, I had a stable product from AMD since launch.
I found in those 2 days that I should avoid ASUS mobos like the plague and not to expect to run 3200MHz RAM unless I had a specific set of RAM and got somewhat lucky. Oh and also to set my Mobo to "typical current idle" or something like that because I had an old PSU to avoid random crashing at idle.
I did my research and have had zero issues. You people that have issues have not done your due dilligence, I had a stable product from AMD since launch.
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The first batch that's in stores this month have the old bios. And most customers will have no idea a bios update is needed or even what one is and like MSI said, not all these are validated to run at higher clocks which just creates problems down the road. This was a really stupid solution from AMD, no need to make excuses for them. They jebaited themselves, their AIB partners and early buyers, nVidia is probably getting a big laugh out this.
CPUs don't require the same level of driver complexity.
Navi otherwise fine? You mean ignoring the driver issues that are almost the entire problem people are complaining about.
Almost every other day on reddit, I still see users outright abandoning their Navi (5700 series) card for a NVidia cad after too many stability (likely driver related) issues.
It's better than it was, but it's still something of a shit show.
1st round was a $50 price drop - They Jebaited Nvidia... Ok, I'll buy that. 2nd time - Bios update - needs revalidation, AIBs pissed off. Now I don't buy any of that. GG AMD.