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Was a process started years ago to modernize all our systems and it was quite expensive. Old programs were replaced by newer ones, tho some of the new programs really suck tho.
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PSA: Windows 7 support ends tomorrow, Jan 14, 2020
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Was a process started years ago to modernize all our systems and it was quite expensive. Old programs were replaced by newer ones, tho some of the new programs really suck tho.
I've fortunately had all of my servers and other important devices on Linux for the past 15 years or so. The only machine I have that uses Windows 7 is my main gaming rig, and it will be upgraded to Linux once I migrate everything over. Linux has advanced to the point that there's really no reason to ever need Windows. Even my old programs that require Windows run fine on WINE or a virtual machine.
The only Windows 10 machine I have is an experimental 3D printer server, and it reminded me of the perpetual state of it being a dumpster fire last week when it demanded I install the 1909 update (it was on 1903.) It promised it would only take "30 to 45 minutes", but after it was done grinding away for about half an hour, it rebooted the machine and went into an infinite boot loop. It had so badly corrupted itself doing god knows what that even the partition map was corrupted and required a complete format and reinstall. There was no debugging because Microsoft in their infinite wisdom back in Windows 8 killed the F8 recovery prompt, now you have to boot into the OS first and restart holding shift to get there, OR force a dirty shutdown by pulling the plug or rebooting during the OS loading. Congratulations Microsoft on creating an impossible situation.
You may think "well why don't you use the install CD to recover it?" You can't, it throws an error "you must be booted into windows to have access to recovery options" shitty Microsoft.
Windows 10 is alpha quality software, and will always be alpha quality software. It's not for any sort of serious use, just an interesting curiosity on how badly a multi billion dollar company can perpetually screw up.
I have customers that run offline Windows XP installations because of this. They have old software made in the 90s which has no modern equivalent, the only thing close would be buying a suite of applications that cost thousands of dollars each, and you don't even own them anymore, you have to "subscribe" on monthly or yearly payment plans.
The only Windows 10 machine I have is an experimental 3D printer server, and it reminded me of the perpetual state of it being a dumpster fire last week when it demanded I install the 1909 update (it was on 1903.) It promised it would only take "30 to 45 minutes", but after it was done grinding away for about half an hour, it rebooted the machine and went into an infinite boot loop. It had so badly corrupted itself doing god knows what that even the partition map was corrupted and required a complete format and reinstall. There was no debugging because Microsoft in their infinite wisdom back in Windows 8 killed the F8 recovery prompt, now you have to boot into the OS first and restart holding shift to get there, OR force a dirty shutdown by pulling the plug or rebooting during the OS loading. Congratulations Microsoft on creating an impossible situation.
You may think "well why don't you use the install CD to recover it?" You can't, it throws an error "you must be booted into windows to have access to recovery options" shitty Microsoft.
Windows 10 is alpha quality software, and will always be alpha quality software. It's not for any sort of serious use, just an interesting curiosity on how badly a multi billion dollar company can perpetually screw up.
I have customers that run offline Windows XP installations because of this. They have old software made in the 90s which has no modern equivalent, the only thing close would be buying a suite of applications that cost thousands of dollars each, and you don't even own them anymore, you have to "subscribe" on monthly or yearly payment plans.
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Don't be naive. They debate for months whether to buy office for one workstation or not. They are definitely not paying for patches.
The whole IT has been a mess for the past 3-4 years, and I expect it will remain so until some catastrophe hits.
Oh what am I thinking even in case of a breakdown it will be some patch workaround, and "fix it later when we have time" and of course the time never comes.
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I'm so scared, I have not updated for a year, when needed I will. Saves hassle from updates causing issues, like w10 perpetually has apparently.
Only if you didn't pay attention and allowed that spyware trojan to install itself. Can also be removed after the fact, unlike in Windows 10.
The people that actually think Win7 is going anywhere just because of MS mickey mouse end-of-support nonsense really are adorable. It will be XP x 1000.
Not that any of this Windows shit means anything anyway - it has already been sunsetted internally at MS, they're just coasting on inertia and letting interns handle the empty biannual, featureless updates now. Nadella hasn't mentioned the word Windows in public appearances in quite a long time. Their hard-on is to be 100% cloud provider, going forward.
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Who cares?
There will be Esu for a 3 years, then 1-2 years of geek support.
And scary stories about "don't use win7 for banking" won't have affect on my decision to stay on win7 until internet stops working.
Actually win 10 is more vulnerable due to its popularity, alpha quality updates and vector of attack is bigger in case of win10, and definitely not aimed to win7.
It's better for us to see the decline of win7 market share.
Articles for puter newbies.
There will be Esu for a 3 years, then 1-2 years of geek support.
And scary stories about "don't use win7 for banking" won't have affect on my decision to stay on win7 until internet stops working.
Actually win 10 is more vulnerable due to its popularity, alpha quality updates and vector of attack is bigger in case of win10, and definitely not aimed to win7.
It's better for us to see the decline of win7 market share.
Articles for puter newbies.
While Windows 7 isn't going anywhere, it will eventually suffer the same issues that all past versions of Windows have, where software no longer targets it as a platform and you're stuck with old versions of things. Windows 7 may see a more rapid decline in software support thanks to Microsoft's aggressive push to get everyone on Windows 10. It was the first time in their history that they actively moved to block newer hardware from running an older version of their operating system by releasing bogus Windows Updates to check the CPU arch, to make a new driver model that is only compatible with Windows 10, and strong arm both Intel and AMD to not make drivers for older versions of Windows for their 7th gen (Intel) and Ryzen (AMD) processors and chipsets.
I'll estimate that we can probably expect Windows 7 to remain functionally usable for 2-3 more years until extended paid support is exhausted, at which point software vendors will drop it like they did Windows XP.
Yep, they've been waging a war on local machine accounts since Windows 8. And since the latest release of Windows 10 1909, if it even gets a whiff of an internet connection during installation, it will disable the ability to even create a local user account. I've actually had to reinstall an install of Windows 10 1909 because I forgot to unplug the ethernet cable or the wifi was left on. It doesn't matter that the wifi wasn't connected, just its existence in an enabled state kills the local account option.
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Don't forget that now even if you install windows without a network, as soon as you plug it in after installation it will bring up a "continue installation online" screen with no option to cancel, even alt-f4 and ctrl-alt-del is disabled on it.
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Forced crap with lousy Blender and file compression performance.
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Did they remove the local account option from the Domain join menu? If I recall correctly, on the last upgrade I installed, that is where I had to go to find it and bypass the Microsoft account setup options. It certainly wasn't as easy as it used to be, but it was still there.
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This is incorrect. I just installed Win10 on a laptop that forced me into Home version because the serial key for win 8.1 home was embedded in the bios. During the initial setup it tries to force you into signing in with online account, however, it does fail if you have no network connection and allow a local user. After install when I was getting things set up it never brought up anything about account stuff again.
And of course all the Win 10 pro versions I installed let me do local accounts just fine. This is all installing the latest v1909 of course. And I had no problem installing V2014 insider version on my home computer a few weeks ago and wasnt forced to use online account.
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That would make sense. I always forget about the Home edition...
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That last part is a unique issue to you, since I have yet to see a non connected network connection cause Windows to not allow a local account creation. Also, all I had to do was physically disconnect the connection, click back, create the local account and life went on. (Home Edition) Yes, the Windows setup screen came up after I finished setup and connected the network connection but, I did not have to use that, at all.
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So I'm making it up is that what you're saying? WTF!? If it never brought it up for you lucky you, but don't tell me that is incorrect. What do you expect that I'll deny my own experience because you say so?
Did you restart your PC in the middle of an update? That sounds like a really bad idea. At work we've seen 1909 take just a few minutes, but one of our guys says at home he had an experience similar to yours where it took forever. I don't know for sure, but I'm wondering if the update sometimes sees corrupted files or something and does some kind of reinstall so as not to blow up, which ends up taking a really long time? It's hard to know for sure though.
I'm not saying you're wrong, but when did this start? I reinstalled Windows 10 relatively recently (sometime in 2019) and was able to create an offline account. I have a USB boot drive with the Windows 10 setup files on it that I created a while ago. I haven't updated it, maybe that's why?
I just installed the most recent 1909 iso from MS on 4 different machines and didn't have that problem. Three AMD and 1 Intel custom systems. I did unplug during install and it never asked me to make a online account afterwards. I used the cheap pro keys I got off the FS forurm.
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Of course that's why, how would it happen if you use an old install media. I installed w10 twice recently and it happened both times. It is the latest 1909 installer which hasn't been out for that long. The offline account option doesn't come up unless there is no network connection or you choose to join a domain. And even if you finish the install with no network then as soon as you plug in the cable and it sees internet it wants you to finish setting up an online account. You can still get out of it but it's getting harder and harder, and who knows when will they make it completely impossible.
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I just installed two computers last month, once on a new laptop, and once on a very old s775 intel board, and it came up both times. This is a full screen app that launches when it detects internet after installation, it starts automatically. And you can't alt tab out of it, or ALT-F4 it. Or even kill it with the task manager because the app is always foreground, the task manager is drawn behind it. Now I wish I recorded the screen because it seems you lot won't believe it.
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Who cares whether we believe or not? Fact is, in this thread, you are the only one as yet to experience that app that cannot be bypassed. Heck, I do not even remember but clearly, I was able to bypass it because I did not have to even think about it, on the new computer I built about 10 days ago. (I did use my 27 inch 1440p screen so perhaps the it was simply larger than the screen res you were using.)
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I usually make it with rufus.
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No, I don't, I use windows iso downloader to download the iso I want directly from microsoft. (I often need different langauge or installer versions) I used the media creation tool maybe once and I'm not even sure if it worked then.
No, I installed Pro in both cases. But it might be related to not entering a serial during install. I usually like to see if everything works well and set up properly before activating.
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oh, it probably did and possibly. you should enter the key next time and see what happens. you may be triggering it by not using a key so it wants you to go online to try and find a key or sell you one.
It is not at all obvious which of the many patches MS has issues actually introduces the telemetry. Afaik, there has not been any list published, ever. It would be very helpful if you would doso.
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Sounds exactly like how 99% of small businesses think lol
http://www.canadiantech.info/for-techies/re-build-windows-7/rebuild-windows-7-july-2018/
Been running my laptop this way for months, have watched it like a hawk and have seen nothing concerning. Moved my desktop to this method as well a few months ago after having AMD driver problems with Win10 LTSB, have also seen nothing concerning. I do disable all RDP services and a few other tweaks. Use a modern browser with useful add-ons (I use Waterfox with uBlock Origin, Privacy Badger, and on some pages NoScript), practice safe surfing, and ride this train out lol.
Been buiding and repairing PCs since the 80s..................I'm tired of the update scam and fear/paranoia that comes with it. I check www.askwoody.com daily to see if there's anything concerning, and instead of reading about security holes and active worms/etc, all I read about is the constant problems with Microsoft's poor quality updates since they laid all the testing people off and shifted the focus of how they operate. I remember a time long ago when Windows Update was a trustworthy feature, not so much now.
For me when Win7 becomes problematic, next stop is a Linux dual-boot only using Win10? for gaming.
Been running my laptop this way for months, have watched it like a hawk and have seen nothing concerning. Moved my desktop to this method as well a few months ago after having AMD driver problems with Win10 LTSB, have also seen nothing concerning. I do disable all RDP services and a few other tweaks. Use a modern browser with useful add-ons (I use Waterfox with uBlock Origin, Privacy Badger, and on some pages NoScript), practice safe surfing, and ride this train out lol.
Been buiding and repairing PCs since the 80s..................I'm tired of the update scam and fear/paranoia that comes with it. I check www.askwoody.com daily to see if there's anything concerning, and instead of reading about security holes and active worms/etc, all I read about is the constant problems with Microsoft's poor quality updates since they laid all the testing people off and shifted the focus of how they operate. I remember a time long ago when Windows Update was a trustworthy feature, not so much now.
For me when Win7 becomes problematic, next stop is a Linux dual-boot only using Win10? for gaming.
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next time go into bios and delete all the keys that are stored before doing an install. can't remember what section it's under but i had to do it on my motherboard. i will check and update this next time i reboot with more info.
edit: it's under secureboot section in ASUS bios
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Today is the day.
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My own experiences from just 1 day ago just seems to contradict yours. Either there is a version difference (even though you are claiming there is not) when you were doing it or something else was causing the issue. Whatever is going on, no one else seems to be affected by it.
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this really is a sad day in hell.
because look, when they are ready to kill it they're gonna kill it. has anyone tried to use XP recently? I just messed around on one the other day that someone inherited and the majority of the web can't even be accessed because of "unknown" software issues, i suppose. i mean XP is pretty much useless for web so unless you have particular software or games you want to run, i mean, it's dead. I really hate to see win 7 end up that way because it will always be remembered as THE BEST OS microsoft ever built. and this day may also end up in the history books as the beginning of the end for microsoft. the day they killed their masterpiece.
man, bill gates is probably turning over in his uh, well, bed right now.
because look, when they are ready to kill it they're gonna kill it. has anyone tried to use XP recently? I just messed around on one the other day that someone inherited and the majority of the web can't even be accessed because of "unknown" software issues, i suppose. i mean XP is pretty much useless for web so unless you have particular software or games you want to run, i mean, it's dead. I really hate to see win 7 end up that way because it will always be remembered as THE BEST OS microsoft ever built. and this day may also end up in the history books as the beginning of the end for microsoft. the day they killed their masterpiece.
man, bill gates is probably turning over in his uh, well, bed right now.
This seems likely as I would have always entered the key when installing.
No? I said it restarted itself. Why on earth would I restart in the middle of an update?
I've done dozens of Windows 10 upgrades and updates between major releases for clients on a wide range of hardware, and in no case did it ever take just a few minutes. At best an hour, at worst, several hours.
If it was an issue unique to me, why do all of the major tech sites have extensive coverage of the problem, pages of workarounds to try and laundry lists of users complaining about the same thing? It's not a one off problem, it's very widespread.
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my 1903 was totally up to date and took ~5 min to update to 1909, on both my home system and work laptop. there is a thread here somewhere talking about how quick it was.
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Several hours? That sounds like spinny disk problems. You have SSD's?
There's also two million hits on google for "Windows 10 1909 reboot loop". This thread is quickly turning into "I didn't have problems so yours are invalid" quick.
Some did, some didn't. Not everyone has an SSD and you can't expect them to have one.
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