PC gaming is in a decline — and deserves to be

5150Joker said:
He singled out PC gaming for his article. Others have said this already or did you miss it?
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An article concerning PC gaming, singled out PC gaming. Do you also want to complain about water being wet?
 
Derangel said:
Jesus Christ this editorial is utter trash. Literally every single complaint he has about PC games applies to EVERY gaming platform and, arguably, is worse on some of them. This screams of narrative pushing instead of objective observation of a market. Its so bad I have to question why the OP would link it if unless he also wants to push a bullshit narrative.
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THIS ^^^^ Can't say it any better...
 
Mazzspeed said:
I'm talking about the graphical representation, the graph blatantly shows an increase in mobile adoption over time with a corresponding decrease in PC usage over time. Hence the reason for the screenshot of the graph in my earlier post. Relax, there's no need to get so worked up because someone opposes your opinion.
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No, you're missing the context of what the chart represents. It's a stacked column chart showing segmentation of the entire market. All it represents is the percentage share of the market, and the revenue growth in mobile outpacing PC does not mean the latter is in decline in either usage or revenue. If the shift in the chart wasn't linear over time then we could assume that there may have been a decline in one segment over another and then you look at the supporting data to confirm your hypothesis.
 
Since when is "derivative" a bad thing? How about "repetitive"? Yeah, that's not a bad thing in book. Sex is also derivative and repetitive. Who writes this nonsense? I guess it's been years since I read an article about gaming. I'd forgotten me and those writers don't have a lot in common
 
Mazzspeed said:
It shows mobile growing and PC declining, people are jumping from one market - To another.
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No, that's incorrect. What it shows is that mobile gaming, a relatively new market compared to pc gaming, is growing very fast. It means people are gaming MORE, in more places on more devices. PC gaming is as strong as it ever was and still growing, and mobile gaming is growing like crazy.

This is representation of all the facts in context to each other, vs a click-baity title either designed to influence investor opinion, or just for click-baits' sake to generate ad revenue. But while facts presented out of context can be said to be 'true', the conclusion they attempt to promote is disingenuous, as is the case in this instance. Everyone is trying to tell you to not be misled.
 
M76 said:
An article concerning PC gaming, singled out PC gaming. Do you also want to complain about water being wet?
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Which would be fine... If the problems he pointed out for PC gaming didn't aren't also as big if not bigger on other platforms. It's like complaining about fresh water wetness being a problem while ignoring salt water is also wet.
 
kirbyrj said:
Ironically, from the article, console gaming has declined by a larger percentage than PC gaming, yet the article didn't say "Console gaming is in decline and deserves to be."
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Author probably has his panties in a twist because he can’t afford a 2080ti.
 
Mazzspeed said:
When I see mobile increasing and desktop decreasing I interpret that as PC gaming declining. How else would you interpret it?
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Someone is ignoring this post and doesn't understand the difference between percentages and totals, and how sales can increase over time yet still "lose" market share when the overall gaming market is simply growing faster than a particular segment's increase.

Mobile gaming is a "new" segment and is causing overall market growth. PC gaming is still growing, just not as fast as overall market growth.

And again, that does not mean there are no problems with games... But as others have posted, they are common across platforms, not exclusive to PC gaming, and not causing any noticable sales declines in PC gaming.
 
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Tsumi said:
Which would be fine... If the problems he pointed out for PC gaming didn't aren't also as big if not bigger on other platforms. It's like complaining about fresh water wetness being a problem while ignoring salt water is also wet.
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If I write about white tigers dying out, I must also mention every other species that are dying?
 
BB Gun said:
Someone is ignoring this post and doesn't understand the difference between percentages and totals, and how sales can increase over time yet still "lose" market share when the overall gaming market is simply growing faster than a particular segment's increase.

Mobile gaming is a "new" segment and is causing overall market growth. PC gaming is still growing, just not as fast as overall market growth.

And again, that does not mean there are no problems with games... But as others have posted, they are common across platforms, not exclusive to PC gaming, and not causing any noticable sales declines in PC gaming.
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Not at all. I'm discussing the graph from the linked article that I posted earlier in this post

As that's the article this thread is based on. I'm not interested in that isolated graph from the link you posted.
 
Mazzspeed said:
Not at all. I'm discussing the graph from the linked article that I posted earlier in this post

As that's the article this thread is based on. I'm not interested in that isolated graph from the link you posted.
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In other words, you would like to be willfully ignorant by ignoring the source material of the original article that contradicts it's conclusion, indicating a strong, inaccurate spin of the author by his cherry picking of data; and you choose to continue to display your ignorance and lack of understanding of how a stacked percentage bar chart works.

If in 2010
1) PC game sales are 10 dollars
2) console game sales are 10 dollars
3) mobile gaming is 0 dollars....
PC gaming has 50% market share

If in 2011
1) PC game sales are 11 dollars
2) console game sales are 11 dollars
3) mobile game sales are 11 dollars
PC gaming now has only 33% market share ...

But you notice.... The entire pie got bigger and PC game sales increased, even though... *Gasp* it's market share decreased! Run for the hills! PC gaming is in decline!

I mean, you even asked how are you supposed to interpret that graph.... The answer is, you need more data to understand it, data the original source material of the op article conveniently provides.

BB
 
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Mazzspeed said:
When I see mobile increasing and desktop decreasing I interpret that as PC gaming declining. How else would you interpret it?
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Well here's how the original article interpreted it: https://newzoo.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Newzoo-2019-Global-Games-Market-per-Segment.png
pc grew by 6.6, phones by 11.6, and consoles by 13.4 (everything is growing, other than browser games).

When you have some time I'd recommend reading this (specifically the section on graphical integrity).
 
Title is misleading. He's not wrong in how games are being constructed and what the focus these publishers have. It's blatant. I do agree that it applies too all forms of gaming just just PC. Not sure if the market will ever change if the focus ultimately is $$$$ and not what us gamers want.
 
HAL_404 said:
please go back and re-read the TITLE ... wait, I'll post it here: PC gaming is in a decline — and deserves to be

and it's not as strong as ever and once the following launches we'll see what happens

Xbox One X GPU is Equivalent to an Nvidia GTX 1080

many PC gamers can't afford a used GTX 1080 let along a new one or GTX 2070 but if the games were great for PC, new and innovative, they'd likely find a way to buy the needed hardware
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Um, I always read XBox one X was equivalent to RX 480, not GTX 1080. That is a VERY large difference.

The heart of the Xbox One X is a GPU that's roughly based on AMD’s GCN 4 (Polaris) architecture. It offers 40 compute units, 2560 stream processors, and 32 ROPs. For comparison, an AMD Radeon RX 480 offers 36 CUs, so the Xbox One X offers 11% more compute hardware than the RX 480. Compared to the PlayStation 4 Pro, the Xbox One X offers about 43% more shader throughput.
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RX 580 vs GTX 1080. Hint, the GTX 1080 destroys it.
 
/dev/null said:
RX 580 vs GTX 1080. Hint, the GTX 1080 destroys it.
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then there's the PS5 ...

"A leak has revealed a benchmark test of the PS5 indicating it will being 4x as powerful as the PS4 and offer equivalent performance to an Nvidia GeForce RTX 2070 gaming PC"

https://www.trustedreviews.com/news...th-this-high-end-graphics-card-report-3887173

In rise of the Tomb Raider both the 2070 and 1080 cards have the same fps, in other games the 2070 is 5-8 fps faster and in still other games the 1080 has the edge ... in other words they are equal in performance.
 
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HAL_404 said:
then there's the PS5 ...

"A leak has revealed a benchmark test of the PS5 indicating it will being 4x as powerful as the PS4 and offer equivalent performance to an Nvidia GeForce RTX 2070 gaming PC"

https://www.trustedreviews.com/news...th-this-high-end-graphics-card-report-3887173

In rise of the Tomb Raider both the 2070 and 1080 cards have the same fps, in other games the 2070 is 5-8 fps faster and in still other games the 1080 has the edge ... in other words they are equal in performance.
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So basically a 5700XT in there?
 
HAL_404 said:
then there's the PS5 ...

"A leak has revealed a benchmark test of the PS5 indicating it will being 4x as powerful as the PS4 and offer equivalent performance to an Nvidia GeForce RTX 2070 gaming PC"

https://www.trustedreviews.com/news...th-this-high-end-graphics-card-report-3887173

In rise of the Tomb Raider both the 2070 and 1080 cards have the same fps, in other games the 2070 is 5-8 fps faster and in still other games the 1080 has the edge ... in other words they are equal in performance.
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The quoted article as talking about XB1X, not PS5.....as having performance similar to a gtx 1080. Or did I miss something?
 
/dev/null said:
The quoted article as talking about XB1X, not PS5.....as having performance similar to a gtx 1080. Or did I miss something?
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no, I missed (I didn't read the article) was just saying regarding console vs PC
 
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