PC gaming is in a decline — and deserves to be

The article posted by the OP was a hatchet job on the original article coming straight from Newzoo. Here are some quotes from the actual Newzoo article with respect to the PC gaming industry:


The assertions made by Newzoo totally contradict the nonsensical analysis from that hack in the OP's provided article. I love how he tried to copy data from Newzoo in an attempt to make himself look legitimate. As others stated, it seems like it is just about time for another round of "PC gaming sux!!!" to push sales of consoles.
Considering it's Market Watch, I'm going to assume that the standard 6.5% growth metric is the metric being applied here, as market analysts have the false belief that a business segment should experience huge amounts of growth every year or else it's a failure.
 
Honestly if gpu prices keep going up the price/performance of the new consoles can't be beat. I can see Nvidia's greed pushing people towards the new consoles. All the things in the past that console were lacking are not going to be in the next gen. The 3080ti needs to be under $1000. Prefer no more then $800. Unfortunately I wouldn't be surprised if they come out at $1500.
 
Honestly if gpu prices keep going up the price/performance of the new consoles can't be beat. I can see Nvidia's greed pushing people towards the new consoles. All the things in the past that console were lacking are not going to be in the next gen. The 3080ti needs to be under $1000. Prefer no more then $800. Unfortunately I wouldn't be surprised if they come out at $1500.
It isn't greed when the cost per transistor is not going down. The increase in cost between Pascal and Turing was 1:1 with the increase in number of transistors. I mean, unless you want to be relegated to 0% performance increase with your node shrink just because you don't want to pay more.

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The writer blames PC gaming when in fact the majority of the complaints he makes exist because of mobile games and consoles. Those bad practices filtered back to the PC, not the other way around. He just sounds like an angry uninformed boomer.
Yes, these money extorting and engagement metric based development might have originated in mobile games, but they now fully infested PC gaming, some more than other. The writer does not blame PC games, he says PC games are like that now. And he would be absolutely right.
TBH You are the one who sounds like an angry boomer who didn't read the article :p The writer even acknowledges that this originated in mobile games in the last few paragraphs.


But I think the bubble is about to if not already bursting. With failures like Ghost Recon Breakpoint and Anthem, I think we might see a resurgence of classic story and player oriented games. Instead of games trying to force players to spend the maximum amount of time and money for the least amount of reward in games.
 
Yes, these money extorting and engagement metric based development might have originated in mobile games, but they now fully infested PC gaming, some more than other. The writer does not blame PC games, he says PC games are like that now. And he would be absolutely right.
TBH You are the one who sounds like an angry boomer who didn't read the article :p The writer even acknowledges that this originated in mobile games in the last few paragraphs.


But I think the bubble is about to if not already bursting. With failures like Ghost Recon Breakpoint and Anthem, I think we might see a resurgence of classic story and player oriented games. Instead of games trying to force players to spend the maximum amount of time and money for the least amount of reward in games.

The problem is, the writer is attributing this to PC gaming despite it not being a PC exclusive problem nor do his conclusions actually fit the data he is siting. It's an agenda pushing bullshit article in a line of "pc gaming is dead/dying" articles that have been going on for literally decades. It's not even a well thought out or well written article.
 
The problem is, the writer is attributing this to PC gaming despite it not being a PC exclusive problem nor do his conclusions actually fit the data he is siting. It's an agenda pushing bullshit article in a line of "pc gaming is dead/dying" articles that have been going on for literally decades. It's not even a well thought out or well written article.
No, he is talking about it in the context of PC Gaming only. If I talk about white whales being on the decline doesn't mean I'm saying white tigers aren't dying too. And in market terms, slowing growth is considered a decline.
There is literally nothing incorrect or inaccurate in the article, apart from the title being sensationalist.
It is a very well written article, and the first article in a mainstream publication that acknowledges the negative effects of political correctness on games. I wonder when the twitter mob will denounce it.
 
No, he is talking about it in the context of PC Gaming only. If I talk about white whales being on the decline doesn't mean I'm saying white tigers aren't dying too. And in market terms, slowing growth is considered a decline.
There is literally nothing incorrect or inaccurate in the article, apart from the title being sensationalist.
It is a very well written article, and the first article in a mainstream publication that acknowledges the negative effects of political correctness on games. I wonder when the twitter mob will denounce it.

No, it really isn't well written. It's regurgitating talking points with nothing new or interesting added and trying to act like anything being said is new or special. Even with the perspective of PC only, he is flat out wrong. If the article were about the decline of the AAA industry, PC or otherwise, he might have a point. However, he's stating everything as if it applies to the entire market, blatantly ignoring the incredibly strong indie and re-emerging AA market. Growth might be "declining" but the market is VERY healthy and a lot of money is pouring into it still. Again, it's yet another bullshit agenda pushing "pc gaming is dying" article. It having an agenda that aligns with your own does not magically make it more true.
 
Yes, these money extorting and engagement metric based development might have originated in mobile games, but they now fully infested PC gaming, some more than other. The writer does not blame PC games, he says PC games are like that now. And he would be absolutely right.
TBH You are the one who sounds like an angry boomer who didn't read the article :p The writer even acknowledges that this originated in mobile games in the last few paragraphs.


But I think the bubble is about to if not already bursting. With failures like Ghost Recon Breakpoint and Anthem, I think we might see a resurgence of classic story and player oriented games. Instead of games trying to force players to spend the maximum amount of time and money for the least amount of reward in games.

Yet he blames PC gaming so my point stands. It's a shit clickbait article.
 
Considering it's Market Watch, I'm going to assume that the standard 6.5% growth metric is the metric being applied here, as market analysts have the false belief that a business segment should experience huge amounts of growth every year or else it's a failure.

I think this maybe gets to the heart of the issue. Anything that doesn't grow fast enough gets editorialized as "dying". Then once they conclude it's dying, they have to grasp at reasons (whether those reasons are valid criticisms on their own or not) to justify their conclusion.
 
LOL, no.

Why are you posting this trash here? It's not an XBOX or PS4 forum...

And that editorial is in fact trash... 'akin to gambling'... yeah most games have taken that out, and when they had it (or for those that still do), it was present on the console verion of the game too.
 
I might go back to console if I could use a mouse and keyboard for everything.....just can't get used to a controller again.

Once you go M+K you never go back. ;)
 
let me guess, a new wave of consoles are about to be released.
 
No, it really isn't well written. It's regurgitating talking points with nothing new or interesting added and trying to act like anything being said is new or special. Even with the perspective of PC only, he is flat out wrong. If the article were about the decline of the AAA industry, PC or otherwise, he might have a point. However, he's stating everything as if it applies to the entire market, blatantly ignoring the incredibly strong indie and re-emerging AA market. Growth might be "declining" but the market is VERY healthy and a lot of money is pouring into it still. Again, it's yet another bullshit agenda pushing "pc gaming is dying" article. It having an agenda that aligns with your own does not magically make it more true.
I get that you are being emotional cause muh PC gaming, but don't double down on nothing. If you think something is factually and demonstrably wrong in the article point it out.
Just because I agree with the article doesn't mean I have an agenda, I love PC gaming, in fact it is the only form of gaming I enjoy, but that doesn't mean I have to be willfully blind to the issues.
The article doesn't say pc gaming is dying. It says it is on a decline. And if you don't feel that games were getting shittier with more "engagement" and "player retention" and "Live service" bullshit you are being willfully blind. The market is in AAA, It's truly great that indie games exist but they are a tiny fraction of the market and doesn't matter in the big picture. The only reason you have to cite indie games as a positive example is because you know AAA games are becoming infested with mechanics aimed to please investors and not gamers.
 
Yet he blames PC gaming so my point stands. It's a shit clickbait article.
The problems do exist in PC gaming, What is it that you would change about the article? Again, point out where he is incorrect because I really can't find the part y'all are so upset about. Or are you literally just upset about the title and didn't even read the article?
 
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The problems do exist in PC gaming, What is it that you would change about the article? Again, point out where he is incorrect because I really can't find the part y'all are so upset about. Or are you literally just upset about the title and didn't even read the article?

He singled out PC gaming for his article. Others have said this already or did you miss it?
 
He singled out PC gaming for his article. Others have said this already or did you miss it?

Probably because, as the title implies, PC gaming is in a decline. Greed is killing PC gaming as well as mobile devices either directly or indirectly.

I bet if the article related to console gaming you'd be all in support of it.
 
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Probably because, as the title implies, PC gaming is in a decline. Greed is killing PC gaming as well as mobile devices either directly or indirectly.

I bet if the article related to console gaming you'd be all in support of it.

I'd still call it agenda pushing bullshit. Let's be real here, the rise of mobile gaming is causing the growth decline. People are moving to mobile because it's more convenient and everyone has smartphones these days. Plus, some things are simply reaching a peak. What these market watch morons don't understand is that there is no such thing as constant exponential growth. Everything has a peak and once something starts reaching that peak growth slows down. That doesn't mean a market is "declining". These idiots would expect year-over-year exponential growth on a product that sold to every single person on the planet.
 
I'd still call it agenda pushing bullshit. Let's be real here, the rise of mobile gaming is causing the growth decline. People are moving to mobile because it's more convenient and everyone has smartphones these days. Plus, some things are simply reaching a peak. What these market watch morons don't understand is that there is no such thing as constant exponential growth. Everything has a peak and once something starts reaching that peak growth slows down. That doesn't mean a market is "declining". These idiots would expect year-over-year exponential growth on a product that sold to every single person on the planet.

They're moving to mobile because it's cheaper and easier than PC, still doesn't change the fact that PC gaming is in decline.
 
Probably because, as the title implies, PC gaming is in a decline. Greed is killing PC gaming as well as mobile devices either directly or indirectly.

I bet if the article related to console gaming you'd be all in support of it.

No because if would be missing the big picture
 
When I see mobile increasing and desktop decreasing I interpret that as PC gaming declining. How else would you interpret it?

Did you read the entire thread? The source the author of that article got the information from said PC gaming growth is expected to slow. There was nothing about the actual market declining.
 
came across this write up tonight and seemed worthy to be posted

"PC gaming is in a decline — and deserves to be
Modern PC games are derivative, repetitive, hemmed in by politically correct story lines
and akin to gambling machines"

the Article
2019 was a really good year for gaming. PC exclusive, multi-platform, and console exclusive, alike. AAA and Indy. There was a very large amount of quality, this year.
 
When I see mobile increasing and desktop decreasing I interpret that as PC gaming declining. How else would you interpret it?
This is a percentage breakdown of the market. The increase in share of mobile gaming is having a proportional effect on all the other market segments. It does not mean the PC or any of the other markets are declining. As shown in an earlier post, PC gaming revenue has increased +3.5% this year.
 
This is a percentage breakdown of the market. The increase in share of mobile gaming is having a proportional effect on all the other market segments. It does not mean the PC or any of the other markets are declining. As shown in an earlier post, PC gaming revenue has increased +3.5% this year.
Yep. The (intentional) flaw in that chart is annual revenue is not a fixed amount - it has grown year over year too. Mobile
didnt displace PC gaming revenue so much as it simply grew it's own space - it's not zero sum.

Generally best to ignore the pointless "x is in decline/dead" articles 100x a year. I have to wonder at what point clickbait journalism hits rock bottom, and starts digging. Let's keep it stupid!
 
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This is a percentage breakdown of the market. The increase in share of mobile gaming is having a proportional effect on all the other market segments. It does not mean the PC or any of the other markets are declining. As shown in an earlier post, PC gaming revenue has increased +3.5% this year.

It's showing the PC segment declining.
 
It's showing the PC segment declining.

Not the segment itself declining, but perhaps growth in the segment slowing.

From a business perspective, or rather, a stock speculation perspective, that warrants concern, but it doesn't mean that there's a problem with PC gaming.
 
Not the segment itself declining, but perhaps growth in the segment slowing.

From a business perspective, or rather, a stock speculation perspective, that warrants concern, but it doesn't mean that there's a problem with PC gaming.

That would be the case if the mobile segment wasn't increasing, the problem is the mobile segment is increasing proportionally - Indicating a shift from desktop to mobile platforms.
 
That would be the case if the mobile segment wasn't increasing, the problem is the mobile segment is increasing proportionally - Indicating a shift from desktop to mobile platforms.

Yes and no. More and more people are gaming on mobile devices and spending more money there. However, that only means the mobile segment is growing more rapidly (something that has been the case for over half a decade, by the way). It does not mean other segements are shrinking. The author's own source directly states that PC gaming is still growing, but the growth has slowed. Slowed growth is not a sign of a declining market, nor does it mean a market is shrinking. The PC market was bringing in a shit load of money before growth slowed down and continued growth (even slowed growth) means even more money is going to pour into that market than before. You are making the mistake of taking an extremely obviously biased opinion piece at face value instead of actually investigating the claims it makes for yourself.
 
Since the segment is growing, all it shows is that mobile is growing faster than PC. Do you abandon a growing market just because a different segment of the market is growing faster? I think not.

It shows mobile growing and PC declining, people are jumping from one market - To another.
 
It shows mobile growing and PC declining, people are jumping from one market - To another.

Read the original damn source. https://newzoo.com/insights/article...he-u-s-overtakes-china-as-the-biggest-market/

The overall PC gaming market will grow with a CAGR of +3.5% to total $39.5 billion by 2022.

The article posted in the OP is INTENTIONALLY misrepresenting information in order to spread the author's agenda. Stop taking obviously biased opinion pieces at face value.
 
Read the original damn source. https://newzoo.com/insights/article...he-u-s-overtakes-china-as-the-biggest-market/



The article posted in the OP is INTENTIONALLY misrepresenting information in order to spread the author's agenda. Stop taking obviously biased opinion pieces at face value.

I'm talking about the graphical representation, the graph blatantly shows an increase in mobile adoption over time with a corresponding decrease in PC usage over time. Hence the reason for the screenshot of the graph in my earlier post. Relax, there's no need to get so worked up because someone opposes your opinion.
 
I'm talking about the graphical representation, the graph blatantly shows an increase in mobile adoption over time with a corresponding decrease in PC usage over time. Hence the reason for the screenshot of the graph in my earlier post. Relax, there's no need to get so worked up because someone opposes your opinion.

The graph comes from the same people that wrote the article I linked. The graph is not showing what you think it shows. That is why I keep telling you to read the article because it disputes what you are trying to say.
 
It shows mobile growing and PC declining, people are jumping from one market - To another.

No, it does not. The raw numbers show that people are spending more in both mobile and PC, just a greater portion of it in mobile. Also, just because someone spends money in mobile, it does not mean they don't spend money in the PC market. They are not mutually exclusive.
 
so, if I say I used to be able to easily sell my used PC gaming hardware on Craigslist and for a good price but now when I post a GTX 1060 6GB card for $110 I got no replies after 4 weeks ... would you say that's an invalid marker or that it's a regional things, etc?

all is well, MAss Effect Andromeda was a success even though it was a total mess and they dropped support and updates 2 months after it was released and then Anthem came ou.

Soon, all PC games will be multiplayer only and with 15 minute cut scenes and it can be had for only $89 :LOL:
I can honestly say I''ve never bought anything on Craigslist and my attempts to sell a W/D for half what I paid got no bites. Ultimately sold it to a former co-worker for exactly what I asked and she was thrilled at the price.

IMO, most peole likely think of Craigslist as a scam site.

I'd post it on eBay or if you're selling locally then maybe FB marketplace (and I'm not talking only about PC hardware).
 
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