The Best Game Of The Year Actually Won Game Of The Year At The 2019 Game Awards

I'm actually surprised this game won, but I've definitely heard of it. It's by no means a small, indie title. It was all over game sites and let's-plays.
 
Darunion said:
I mean if Leia can fly and survive the vacuum and temperature of space, wall running doesn't seem too far-fetched.
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lol...

(Episode 8 isn't canon as far as I'm concerned.) <- maybe this will change if AJ managed to save Ep9 from being another dumpster fire.
 
KazeoHin said:
I'm actually surprised this game won, but I've definitely heard of it. It's by no means a small, indie title. It was all over game sites and let's-plays.
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It's great to see FROM get some recognition. They're my desert island gamedev without a doubt. In an industry that feels mostly stagnant as far as innovation, you can see their influence spreading to more and more games with "Souls like" mechanics appearing everywhere.

I'm looking forward to Elden Ring more than Cyberpunk or anything else.
 
Zarathustra[H] said:
I think that's a little harsh.

Don't get me wrong. I was a little disappointed, but I found them to still be playable.
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No, it is not. And the reviews agree with me. Youngblood was especially abysmal, and New Dawn was simply worse than FarCry5 which is inexcusable.
 
New Dawn should have been a $20 DLC for Far Cry 5, but Ubisoft smelled money and sold it as a full title. It wasn't bad, but it wasn't worthy of a full-game retail release.
 
M76 said:
No, it is not. And the reviews agree with me. Youngblood was especially abysmal, and New Dawn was simply worse than FarCry5 which is inexcusable.
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Well, I finished New Dawn. It was a little short and repetitive, but otherwise not that different than any other title in the Far Cry series (first one excluded). That in and of itself could be considered a problem, as taking the same formula and just dropping it in a new location over and over again is starting to get old, but I don't think there was anything about FC5 or New Dawn that made them objectively worse than the previous games in the series.

As far as Youngblood goes, let's be honest here. The previous Wolfenstein titles since the reboot weren't exactly masterpieces either. They were cute little low brow action shooters, but that's about it. Youngbloods is similar in that regard. Again similar to Far Cry the same formula (repeatedly take out the commander to cut off reinforcements) is getting a little old, but honestly if you liked the previous titles in the series there is no reason not to like this one other than repetitiveness.

That is - of course - unless you are one of those people who can't seem to get beyond the fact that you are now playing a female character, which is where I suspect a lot of the negative feedback came from.
 
M76 said:
No, it is not. And the reviews agree with me. Youngblood was especially abysmal, and New Dawn was simply worse than FarCry5 which is inexcusable.
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I liked New Dawn more than FC5. 5 really never did much for me. They put a huge emphasis on the Seed family and I really didn't care about a single one of them. They didn't stack up to the villains of 3 and 4 and the writing just felt kind of empty. Everything else was just too drawn out. New Dawn had some of the same problems, but the smaller world and smaller feel to the game helped cut out a lot of the Ubi open world crap. New Dawn is definitely the proverbial straw breaking the camel's back for me though. I am done with that style or Far Cry. It has been stretched to it's limit and Ubi needs to go back to the drawing board with the entire franchise.

Zarathustra[H] said:
As far as Youngblood goes, let's be honest here. The previous Wolfenstein titles since the reboot weren't exactly masterpieces either. They were cute little low brow action shooters, but that's about it. Youngbloods is similar in that regard. Again similar to Far Cry the same formula (repeatedly take out the commander to cut off reinforcements) is getting a little old, but honestly if you liked the previous titles in the series there is no reason not to like this one other than repetitiveness.

That is - of course - unless you are one of those people who can't seem to get beyond the fact that you are now playing a female character, which is where I suspect a lot of the negative feedback came from.
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Preface: I have not played Youngblood nor do I have any intention to.

From what I've seen from reviews and reading people's impressions, YB's problems seem to go beyond what the previous rebooted games had. Everything about Youngblood seems incredibly rushed and poorly thought out. The weapon mechanic sounds like complete garbage to me, the level design looks dull and boring (a huge problem TNC had as well), it's filled to the brim with lazy worn-out "co-op mechanics" that were popular a decade ago. Compounding the boring level design they don't have enough of them so missions keep sending you back to the same locations over and over (a clear sign of rushed development). At best, Youngblood seems like a "competent" shooter, but nothing terribly interesting or special. As someone that bounced, hard, off of TNC I've seen nothing that makes me want to give Younngblood a shot.
 
Zarathustra[H] said:
Well, I finished New Dawn. It was a little short and repetitive, but otherwise not that different than any other title in the Far Cry series (first one excluded).
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It is very different because it is the first to introduce unnecessary grind and RPG elements like weapon and enemy levels. You could finish FC3-5 without doing any grinding or levelups or any of that crap, there were no XP walls in those games. While in New Dawn, you need to upgrade your base to be able to upgrade your armor and weapons to be able to take on higher level enemies, it's a circle jerk of grind. Which I have zero interest in. New Dawn is to Far Cry, what Breakpoint is to Wildlands.
That in and of itself could be considered a problem, as taking the same formula and just dropping it in a new location over and over again is starting to get old, but I don't think there was anything about FC5 or New Dawn that made them objectively worse than the previous games in the series.
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FC5 was made worse by the obnoxious villains and story, but on a gameplay level was still enjoyable. New Dawn I explained above how it might look the same superficially but actually very different.
As far as Youngblood goes, let's be honest here. The previous Wolfenstein titles since the reboot weren't exactly masterpieces either.
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I never liked those either, but the New Order was an OK game, the New Colossus not so much, I didn't like it at all. It was already obnoxious and in poor taste for the most part.
They were cute little low brow action shooters, but that's about it. Youngbloods is similar in that regard. Again similar to Far Cry the same formula (repeatedly take out the commander to cut off reinforcements) is getting a little old, but honestly if you liked the previous titles in the series there is no reason not to like this one other than repetitiveness.
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The reviews all said it is much more repetitive with areas getting recycled constantly and lots of backtracking. That objectively makes it worse than the previous ones. At least those didn't use the same areas multiple times, and there was hardly any backtracking, not even when it would've made sense as far as I can remember.
That is - of course - unless you are one of those people who can't seem to get beyond the fact that you are now playing a female character, which is where I suspect a lot of the negative feedback came from.
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LOL, you actually believe there are any significant number of people like that? Tell me that's just a lapse in judgement and you don't actually believe that crap? Even on oneangrygamer those who outright hate female player characters are a minority.
I explained the main negative feedback above, and there was a consensus between all reviews I saw on those items.

I hate obnoxious characters tho, but that has nothing to do with gender. Calling the sexism curd is just a convenient scapegoat for the makers of shitty games. But correlation is not causation. When they announced youngblood will have female protagonists I actually got excited, until it was raveled that they would be hateful obnoxious brats.

Not being sexist doesn't mean you must unconditionally love all female characters. It means you aren't prejudiced against them.
 
M76 said:
LOL, you actually believe there are any significant number of people like that? Tell me that's just a lapse in judgement and you don't actually believe that crap? Even on oneangrygamer those who outright hate female player characters are a minority.
I explained the main negative feedback above, and there was a consensus between all reviews I saw on those items.

I hate obnoxious characters tho, but that has nothing to do with gender. Calling the sexism curd is just a convenient scapegoat for the makers of shitty games. But correlation is not causation. When they announced youngblood will have female protagonists I actually got excited, until it was raveled that they would be hateful obnoxious brats.

Not being sexist doesn't mean you must unconditionally love all female characters. It means you aren't prejudiced against them.
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Don't get me wrong, while some gamers who hate women and girls probably exist, they are not the majority.

That said, being able to somehow self identify with the character you are playing has been linked to the level of enjoyment players get out of the typical game.

There is a potential for people just not enjoying it as much because they feel disconnected from the story, because of that lack of identifying with the main character. It may even be subconscious in a "I can't quite put my finger one why" type of way.

It just highlights how it makes business sense for games to have a choice of character you play, so you can appeal more to a wider audience.

PS.

I haven't finished Youngbloods yet, but I am going to laugh my ass off if there is a "getting it on with some young stud" scene like there was between BJ Balzkowicz and <spoiler> in New Order. Probably would have heard about it by now if that were the case though.

Would have been hilarious to hear the kids squirm at having to see a cartoon schlong.
 
Domingo said:
It only sold 4 million copies in 3 months.
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Where? Japan? :p

odditory said:
I'm looking forward to Elden Ring more than Cyberpunk or anything else.
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To each their own. I've never been able to get into anything fantasy or japanimation themed in any medium, game, TV or on the big screen.

To me first person post apocalyptical future settings are like crack. I can't get enough of the likes of Deus Ex. Cyberpunk looks like it will be amazing.

GhostCow said:
Title incorrect because Fire Emblem didn't win
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Fire what now? :p.
 
Domingo said:
New Dawn should have been a $20 DLC for Far Cry 5, but Ubisoft smelled money and sold it as a full title. It wasn't bad, but it wasn't worthy of a full-game retail release.
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It wasn't a full release, it was sg like $30.
 
New Dawn is $39 on Steam and it's maybe about 50% to 60% of the length of Far Cry 5.
 
sfsuphysics said:
And it was a pretty full release length of game wasnt it?
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Domingo said:
New Dawn is $39 on Steam and it's maybe about 50% to 60% of the length of Far Cry 5.
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Darunion said:
Well since it is 66% of the farcry 5 price, seems appropriate.
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Yeah, it was a little shorter than a full far cry game.

It almost seems like a waste. Even though it was set in the same map as FC5, or at least a subset of it, the (spoiler alert) nuclear devastation and decades of decay meant their artists had to rework every part of the models completely, so there were no real savings from reusing models and maps from FC5.

You'd think once they went though all of that trouble they should have just made it a full length title.
 
Zarathustra[H] said:
That said, being able to somehow self identify with the character you are playing has been linked to the level of enjoyment players get out of the typical game.
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While I'm aware that some have this emotional need, I prefer to play whatever best 'fits' the game; for example, playing the Mass Effect series as a female always felt like it fit better. It helped that the female voice actress for the first trilogy is outstanding.

Now generally when there isn't much difference I'll roll something random, but for some games plaything through as different genders / races / etc. does add some replayability. Sometimes it just comes down to who gets to bang who ;)
 
Zarathustra[H] said:
Don't get me wrong, while some gamers who hate women and girls probably exist, they are not the majority.
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And the majority of those are <12.

That said, being able to somehow self identify with the character you are playing has been linked to the level of enjoyment players get out of the typical game.
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Identify with the character doesn't mean be the character, it means as the phrase suggests to be able to identify with their goals, motivations, and actions. You can identify with different gender or even sexuality characters if they are written well. But written well cannot be mentioned in the same universe as youngblood.

There is a potential for people just not enjoying it as much because they feel disconnected from the story, because of that lack of identifying with the main character. It may even be subconscious in a "I can't quite put my finger one why" type of way.
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And that has nothing to do with the gender of the character. I can't for my life identify with geralt from witcher and as a result I don't like the games at all.

It just highlights how it makes business sense for games to have a choice of character you play, so you can appeal more to a wider audience.
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I agree with that, I wish every game had a character creator even if it affects nothing but the look of the character it'd already help a lot.

I haven't finished Youngbloods yet, but I am going to laugh my ass off if there is a "getting it on with some young stud" scene like there was between BJ Balzkowicz and <spoiler> in New Order. Probably would have heard about it by now if that were the case though.

Would have been hilarious to hear the kids squirm at having to see a cartoon schlong.
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I don't remember any of that probably because as I mentioned most of the jokes in the games were in poor taste and often at the expense of a group of people.
 
M76 said:
LOL, you actually believe there are any significant number of people like that? Tell me that's just a lapse in judgement and you don't actually believe that crap? Even on oneangrygamer those who outright hate female player characters are a minority.
I explained the main negative feedback above, and there was a consensus between all reviews I saw on those items.

I hate obnoxious characters tho, but that has nothing to do with gender. Calling the sexism curd is just a convenient scapegoat for the makers of shitty games. But correlation is not causation. When they announced youngblood will have female protagonists I actually got excited, until it was raveled that they would be hateful obnoxious brats.

Not being sexist doesn't mean you must unconditionally love all female characters. It means you aren't prejudiced against them.
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When my wife and I first started dating she asked me why I played female characters. My response was basically if I have to stare at that ass while playing it better be one that I have an interest in staring at. :ROFLMAO:
 
Algrim said:
When my wife and I first started dating she asked me why I played female characters. My response was basically if I have to stare at that ass while playing it better be one that I have an interest in staring at. :ROFLMAO:
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That's as good a reason as any. Arguably better than most, because it's tangible. It's an entertainment experience in any case, why not enjoy it the most one can?

Some folks make a much bigger deal of the protagonist gender than would seem necessary. To whit: I'm not a Navy Seal, DoomSlayer, or a mutant monster killer. If we made a list of important differences between me and the main character in any game, my role in creating new humans really doesn't factor in nearly as much as the ability to run at 45 kph, reload a side-by-side 12g in midair, and address major trauma wounds by stepping on bandaids.

I personally view every game as a "role playing" game in some sense. I'm not that person, and cannot ever be, that person. I'm playing a role, and that role is quite intentionally not me. Not many successful games involve raising a litter of kids, working long hours on low level math libraries, arguing with the city about a build permit for a gazebo.

I think I've had too much eggnog.
 
This game is so hard it's probably the hardest modern game I ever played I didn't even finish it.
 
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