Ryzen 3950X, 3960X, 3970X Availability

Zarathustra[H] said:
Well, I thought I'd be able to get my existing Mint 19.2 install with the Ubuntu LTS Hardware Enablement 5.3 kernel installed to boot, but it is flat out refusing.

Funny, since the 5.9 kernel boots just fine from the USB stick.

May have to do a clean 19.3 install.

This is turning out to be a bigger project than I had anticipated. Especially since the Asus XG438Q just arrived...
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Nice display but I couldn't play on something that large unless it was about 5 feet away. However, thats one badass display haha
 
tangoseal said:
Nice display but I couldn't play on something that large unless it was about 5 feet away. However, thats one badass display haha
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I don't mean to pull this thread off track, but here are some quick comments.

I don't have a problem with the size (I'm coming from a 48" Samsung which I ahve been using at arms length like a desktop monitor).

Thus far I'm not loving it. It's way too bright (I'm trying to get the settings right. Thus far, custom mode, and Gamma 2.5, whatever gamma means appears to be the only way to tame it) The Sammy was slightly curved, and I'm starting to think that was a much bigger benefit than I realized. By contrast this screen seems almost like it has an inverse curve.

All that said, every time I've gotten a big screen there has been an adaptation time. Maybe I just need a few days of use to adapt to this one.
 
Zarathustra[H] said:
I don't like fan noise.

More radiator capacity = less fan speed :p
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Speaking of fan noise.

Now that I am up and running (well, still have a ton of OS config to do, but...) I have a slight high pitched whine I didn't used to have.

Everything is the same fans and pump wise as before, so I am suspecting the culprit is that pesky motherboard chipset fan.

What has everyone else's experience with this been like?
 
Zarathustra[H] said:
Speaking of fan noise.

Now that I am up and running (well, still have a ton of OS config to do, but...) I have a slight high pitched whine I didn't used to have.

Everything is the same fans and pump wise as before, so I am suspecting the culprit is that pesky motherboard chipset fan.

What has everyone else's experience with this been like?
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I found the source.

There are two fans built in to the motherboard. I was only aware of the PCH fan, but apparently there is also an MOS fan.

Not quite sure where they hid the MOS fan but it was quite happily powering away at 4500rpm when the mosfets were only at 36C.

Luckily SmartFan5 in the bios let me set a custom curve for it.

I am much happier now without the high pitched whine.
 
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Also, if anyone else is having Linux difficulties, let me share what I have discovered on my 3960 + Aorus Master system.

Ubuntu's 5.0.0-37 kernel works beautifully.

Their 5.3.0-24 kernel fails to boot.
 
Zarathustra[H] said:
I found the source.

There are two fans built in to the motherboard. I was only aware of the PCH fan, but apparently there is also an MOS fan.

Not quite sure where they hid the MOS fan but it was quite happily powering away at 4500rpm when the mosfeta were only at 36C.

Luckily SmartFan5 in the bios let me set a custom curve for it.

I am much happier now without the high pitched whine.
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This christ that tiny ass little fan was pissing me off thought I had a bad vrm or something buzzing. Also I don't think it even moves enough air to matter
 
tunatime said:
This christ that tiny ass little fan was pissing me off thought I had a bad vrm or something buzzing. Also I don't think it even moves enough air to matter
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It moves enough that your chipset would cook without it. Dont knock the 30mm. Just because your skin cant register the air flow doesnt mean the chipset derives no benefit.

I'm just not sure who builds a 16 to 32 core monster rig and expects it to be absolutely silent.

It's like expecting your Prius to pull a 35 foot 5th wheel camper.
 
tangoseal said:
It moves enough that your chipset would cook without it. Dont knock the 30mm. Just because your skin cant register the air flow doesnt mean the chipset derives no benefit.

I'm just not sure who builds a 16 to 32 core monster rig and expects it to be absolutely silent.

It's like expecting your Prius to pull a 35 foot 5th wheel camper.
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Not the chipset the vrm fan it runs at like 4500rpms even at idle and I wasn't aware it had a tiny fan inside the vrm heatsink luckily I found out how to turn it down a lot.. also I'm not sure who would build a TR setup without having fans blowing on the vrm/ram anyway or having the fan programed for 4k rpm no matter how cool the vrm are? The chipset fan I never hear.
 
Zarathustra[H] said:
I found the source.

There are two fans built in to the motherboard. I was only aware of the PCH fan, but apparently there is also an MOS fan.

Not quite sure where they hid the MOS fan but it was quite happily powering away at 4500rpm when the mosfets were only at 36C.

Luckily SmartFan5 in the bios let me set a custom curve for it.

I am much happier now without the high pitched whine.
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I think the fan is located under the IO shield heatsink...but I could very well be wrong
 
tunatime said:
Not the chipset the vrm fan it runs at like 4500rpms even at idle and I wasn't aware it had a tiny fan inside the vrm heatsink luckily I found out how to turn it down a lot.. also I'm not sure who would build a TR setup without having fans blowing on the vrm/ram anyway or having the fan programed for 4k rpm no matter how cool the vrm are? The chipset fan I never hear.
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Ahh I think that depends on your board. What board you running? Does it have a true fin stack or just aluminum slugs? I think I havent seen my VRM get past 50c on my Gigabyte master. It has a true heatsink with actual fins. It is actively cooled but I dont recall ever hearing it run.

Apology for misunderstanding you.
 
tangoseal said:
Ahh I think that depends on your board. What board you running? Does it have a true fin stack or just aluminum slugs? I think I havent seen my VRM get past 50c on my Gigabyte master. It has a true heatsink with actual fins. It is actively cooled but I dont recall ever hearing it run.

Apology for misunderstanding you.
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I'm on the Aorus Master too. It seems to be a Gigabyte thing. I'm surprised you haven't heard it too.

Maybe it's only an issue on quiet builds.
 
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Zarathustra[H] said:
I'm on the Aorus Master too. It seems to be. Gigabyte thing. I'm surprised you haven't heard it too.

Maybe it sonly an issue on quiet builds.
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My build is very quiet. I have pwm deltas that are silent at 500 rpm. Literally dead silent. I think my water pump is only noise at that point I hear.

Are you on latest bios?

I'll disable my case fans and everything later and see if I can get my VRM fan to spin up.

It's possible that my case fans are flowing sufficient enough that the VRM has air flow through it and it's cool enough to never spoil the teeny fan.

Either way once a Monoblock drops for this board, and it will, I will get one.
 
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tangoseal said:
My build is very quiet. I have pwm deltas that are silent at 500 rpm. Literally dead silent. I think my water pump is only noise at that point I hear.

Are you on latest bios?

I'll disable my case fans and everything later and see if I can get my VRM fan to spin up.

It's possible that my case fans are flowing sufficient enough that the VRM has air flow through it and it's cool enough to never spoil the teeny fan.

Either way once a Monoblock drops for this board, and it will, I will get one.
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I'm on the latest BIOS.

In mine the default fan profile for the teeny VRM fan was set such that it never went below 4500 rpm or so regardless of the temp. As found at idle my MOS temp was 39C, and the little fan that could was blasting away. I gave it a proper curve that ramps up as it gets warmer, and now I can no longer hear it.

To be clear, it was never super loud or anything, but it did have one of those small fan whines to it that has a pitch, which was annoying.
 
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Was just able to load it up a bit. I ahvent done a clean install of Windows (I likely will when I get some spare time) so these are a quick and dirty test that may be saddled withoold drivers and registry junk.

All Core Prime95 has been running for a little while now, and everything seems to have stabilized.

With my previous fan control settings, targeting a coolant temp of 33C, the CPU (as measured in Ryzen Master, as I couldn't figure out which temp sensor was which in HardwareMonitor) is sitting at about 62.5 C Fans are only at 40%, so there is plenty more room to go when the seasons get warmer.

It's crazy. At full load, these 24 cores are using much less power than my 3930k and its six cores were (granted when overvolted and overclocked to 4.8Ghz). I expected it to be much cooler at lightly threaded loads, but I was expecting full core stress tests like this to surpass it. I guess not.

All cores seem to be sitting fairly stable at 4165Mhz in Prime95 at this temperature.
 
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Zarathustra[H] said:
Was just able to load it up a bit. I ahvent done a clean install of Windows (I likely will when I get some spare time) so these are a quick and dirty test that may be saddled with

All Core Prime95 has been running for a little while now, and everything seems to have stabilized.

With my previous fan control settings, targeting a coolant temp of 33C, the CPU (as measured in Ryzen Master, as I couldn't figure out which temp sensor was which in HardwareMonitor) is sitting at about 62.5 C Fans are only at 40%, so there is plenty more room to go when the seasons get warmer.

It's crazy. At full load, these 24 cores are using much less power than my 3930k and its six cores were (granted when overvolted and overclocked to 4.8Ghz). I expected it to be much cooler at lightly threaded loads, but I was expecting full core stress tests like this to surpass it. I guess not.

All cores seem to be sitting fairly stable at 4165Mhz in Prime95 at this temperature.
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These 60x seem to be extremely high bin dies. Otherwise I dont know how to explain the low temps.
 
Zarathustra[H] said:
Was just able to load it up a bit. I ahvent done a clean install of Windows (I likely will when I get some spare time) so these are a quick and dirty test that may be saddled withoold drivers and registry junk.

All Core Prime95 has been running for a little while now, and everything seems to have stabilized.

With my previous fan control settings, targeting a coolant temp of 33C, the CPU (as measured in Ryzen Master, as I couldn't figure out which temp sensor was which in HardwareMonitor) is sitting at about 62.5 C Fans are only at 40%, so there is plenty more room to go when the seasons get warmer.

It's crazy. At full load, these 24 cores are using much less power than my 3930k and its six cores were (granted when overvolted and overclocked to 4.8Ghz). I expected it to be much cooler at lightly threaded loads, but I was expecting full core stress tests like this to surpass it. I guess not.

All cores seem to be sitting fairly stable at 4165Mhz in Prime95 at this temperature.
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Cinebench (again, on a not-clean Windows 10 install) and stock settings

Single core:

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My initial runs all landed at 492. The CPU was hitting full boost (actually above at ~4560mhz) but blink and you'd miss it. It wasn't staying there for more than a fraction of a second, which I found disappointing.

I re-ran the test with nothing else open (closed HW Monitor, Ryzen Master, and the Aquasuite controller for my Aquaero) and the result jumped up to 521.

Sounds like when they say "single thread" they mean "single thread", not "mostly single threaded, but with some very light load on other cores". It doesn't take much to knock this thing off of single threaded full boost. Still, can't complain. Great results.


All Core:

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Max I've hit was 13764. Not sure why the last run was slightly higher than this one, but it was.

I kind of miss the days of static clocks a little, because it was more predictable. Now you are left guessing why one run differs from the next. Still, great results. Can't complain.


For shits and giggles, a comparison to my 3930k at 4.8Ghz it replaced:

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So, the single threaded improvement is pretty much in line what we would have seen in a single year back in the late 90's, early 2000's when we had real competition, and process nodes weren't getting too small, so considering the fact that this is 8 years later, it may not be much to write home about, but still, a nice improvement. I'll take it.

The All Core result is more like it. That's the kind of improvement I expect to see over time. Maybe not 8 years, but at least 2-4 years worth of improvement :p


The interesting part is, I didn't think I was missing anything with my 3930k, but this does feel snappier even with basic desktop tasks. Not sure if it is the faster NVMe drive, the extra cores ready at a moments notice, or the quad channel RAM, but things do feel much more responsive. That was a surprise to me.
 
tangoseal said:
My build is very quiet. I have pwm deltas that are silent at 500 rpm. Literally dead silent. I think my water pump is only noise at that point I hear.
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Try going into the fan page in the BIOS, change the dropdown to the MOS_Fan and check. Mine was at ~4500rpm @39C Maybe yours is different for some reason?

I created a custom fan curve and now I never heard the thing. I also created one for the PCH fan wile I was in there, but it was never really a noise problem.

I at first misidentified the MOS_Fan pitch as "damn, maybe something went wrong with my pump during the upgrade?", so it's not impossible that you are hearing it, just not realizing that it isn't pump noise.
 
Zarathustra[H] said:
Try going into the fan page in the BIOS, change the dropdown to the MOS_Fan and check. Mine was at ~4500rpm @39C Maybe yours is different for some reason?

I created a custom fan curve and now I never heard the thing. I also created one for the PCH fan wile I was in there, but it was never really a noise problem.

I at first misidentified the MOS_Fan pitch as "damn, maybe something went wrong with my pump during the upgrade?", so it's not impossible that you are hearing it, just not realizing that it isn't pump noise.
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Ok I'll def do that. I just have to get my house cleaned for family coming over ughhh

As far as your cb20. I get the same scores. I wouldnt worry about consistency. Just expect a solid average. Don't worry yourself over it too much.

Just do 10 cb20 all core runs and average it. Should be your number. Ill do it later. No trickery, no pruning apps, just run it under your daily usage scenario.
 
Zarathustra[H] said:
Try going into the fan page in the BIOS, change the dropdown to the MOS_Fan and check. Mine was at ~4500rpm @39C Maybe yours is different for some reason?

I created a custom fan curve and now I never heard the thing. I also created one for the PCH fan wile I was in there, but it was never really a noise problem.

I at first misidentified the MOS_Fan pitch as "damn, maybe something went wrong with my pump during the upgrade?", so it's not impossible that you are hearing it, just not realizing that it isn't pump noise.
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tangoseal

To clarify, here is what mine looked like by default:

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As you can see, that little fan will stay at ~4700rpm unless you go below freezing, when it will shut off.

This is the manual profile I created. It is less aggressive than the stock one until about 80C when it crosses over and becomes more agressive, as they are at 100% fan speed at 100C, and I decided I didn't want to go that high, so I went 100% at 90C

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Only thing I am going to change is the Temperature Interval. I was tired last night, and couldn't figure out what it meant. With some sleep, it is clear that is the frequency which it samples the temperature at, presumably in seconds, so I'm going to drop it down so that it is more responsive to quick temperature changes. With the long slope in my curve, I don't need to worry about it being peaky, at least not at the temperatures where I find myself most of the time.
 
tangoseal said:
These 60x seem to be extremely high bin dies. Otherwise I dont know how to explain the low temps.
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They have to be being that I can run 4.5 all cores if I push it or 4.45 easy and stays under 70c. I wonder if it's the massive surface area of the chip vs am4? At stock its like 45 or 50c or something if I remember right.

Also I have the same mb as y'all the master and my Mos fan was set for 4.5k rpms. I wonder if some of us have bad fans or something because no way you wouldn't hear the noise if your build is quiet. I was debating rma my mb as I thought I had something worng with my vrm till I updated bios and found I could turn it down.

Also other then that fan I really like this mb the back plate is nice and it's bios is layed out nice. Only thing I have to take off points for is the self switching bios got old when trying to overclock it.

Also nice single core speed mines a bit lower I think but mc is around 15k
 
Zarathustra[H] said:
(SNIP)

The interesting part is, I didn't think I was missing anything with my 3930k, but this does feel snappier even with basic desktop tasks. Not sure if it is the faster NVMe drive, the extra cores ready at a moments notice, or the quad channel RAM, but things do feel much more responsive. That was a surprise to me.
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Teh pr0n "loads" faster so you can "unloads" faster.
 
tunatime said:
They have to be being that I can run 4.5 all cores if I push it or 4.45 easy and stays under 70c. I wonder if it's the massive surface area of the chip vs am4? At stock its like 45 or 50c or something if I remember right.

Also I have the same mb as y'all the master and my Mos fan was set for 4.5k rpms. I wonder if some of us have bad fans or something because no way you wouldn't hear the noise if your build is quiet. I was debating rma my mb as I thought I had something worng with my vrm till I updated bios and found I could turn it down.

Also other then that fan I really like this mb the back plate is nice and it's bios is layed out nice. Only thing I have to take off points for is the self switching bios got old when trying to overclock it.

Also nice single core speed mines a bit lower I think but mc is around 15k
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You have dip switches for the bios. Look in your book for details. You can disable the secondary and auto switching. So... give those points back.

Mine is disabled and I'm running single bios mode with no autoswitch.
 
tunatime said:
They have to be being that I can run 4.5 all cores if I push it or 4.45 easy and stays under 70c. I wonder if it's the massive surface area of the chip vs am4? At stock its like 45 or 50c or something if I remember right.

Also I have the same mb as y'all the master and my Mos fan was set for 4.5k rpms. I wonder if some of us have bad fans or something because no way you wouldn't hear the noise if your build is quiet. I was debating rma my mb as I thought I had something worng with my vrm till I updated bios and found I could turn it down.

Also other then that fan I really like this mb the back plate is nice and it's bios is layed out nice. Only thing I have to take off points for is the self switching bios got old when trying to overclock it.

Also nice single core speed mines a bit lower I think but mc is around 15k
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Really? You are hitting 4.5 all core? What settings? What cooling?

I was just going to PBO it and call it a day (once I had a chance to read up on how to actually PBO an AMD chip :p) but if all core speeds similar to single core boost are possible without triggering the China Syndrome, I may go that route...
 
Zarathustra[H] said:
Really? You are hitting 4.5 all core? What settings? What cooling?

I was just going to PBO it and call it a day (once I had a chance to read up on how to actually PBO an AMD chip :p) but if all core speeds similar to single core boost are possible without triggering the China Syndrome, I may go that route...
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I'm jealous of you guys with your working computers :(

I bought 98% of my parts in October and still have to:

cut a 1ft x 2ft piece of acrylic to size
re-do all tube runs
replace the raystorm wiht the crappy TT block
mount the pumps and logos on the acrylic
fill both loops
leak test both loops for a day minimum (72hrs is preferred)
install OS
 
I called Best Buy today. I told them about the letter carrier and his bullshit. I got an RMA label emailed to me and I'll be returning the CPU via UPS tomorrow.

So if anyone wants a 3950x there's going to be one available soon at MSRP at Best Buy
 
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Has anyone hit the MC in the DC area recently and seen 3950x in stock? This holiday is making me get the upgrade itch :-D
 
notarat said:
I'm jealous of you guys with your working computers :(

I bought 98% of my parts in October and still have to:

cut a 1ft x 2ft piece of acrylic to size
re-do all tube runs
replace the raystorm wiht the crappy TT block
mount the pumps and logos on the acrylic
fill both loops
leak test both loops for a day minimum (72hrs is preferred)
install OS
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I spent the last three days working on mine. Everything took longer than I expected...

Wow. Two loops? What is the usage scenario for that?

You are almost guaranteed to get better temps if you put all of your blocks and radiators in the same loop.

Unless this is a show build, because multiple loops with different colors DO look pretty cool.

I've never leak tested that long. I usually just do it overnight.
 
So,

Has anyone with a Gigabyte TRX40 board found the settings in bios to disable the wireless WLAN and Blutooth card? Only devices I can find an option to disable are the onboard NIC's. Can't disable the sound or anything else.

Did they just hide them somewhere? Or are they really not present?
 
Zarathustra[H] said:
So,

Has anyone with a Gigabyte TRX40 board found the settings in bios to disable the wireless WLAN and Blutooth card? Only devices I can find an option to disable are the onboard NIC's. Can't disable the sound or anything else.

Did they just hide them somewhere? Or are they really not present?
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I don't know about the GB board but the option to disable WiFi and Bluetooth on the Asus boards is in the advanced settings...curiously enough...the Hero VII lets you disable both while the VI only allowed you to disable the WiFi...
 
Zarathustra[H] said:
So,

Has anyone with a Gigabyte TRX40 board found the settings in bios to disable the wireless WLAN and Blutooth card? Only devices I can find an option to disable are the onboard NIC's. Can't disable the sound or anything else.

Did they just hide them somewhere? Or are they really not present?
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Nope. Just disable them in windows or Nix.

I'll take a look later. Man my list of taking a look is growing. I just have to get my home ready for guests right now.
 
As an aside, Gigabyte seems to be using Realteks newish "ALC1220-VB" USB audio chipset in all their recent motherboards. (at least TRX40 and x570 ones)

Has anyone had any luck with Linux support on them? I don't know if I need a newer upstream kernel, or if these just don't work right now, but any suggestions would be appreciated.
 
Zarathustra[H] said:
Almost sounds like you and notarat should be talking :p

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No idea where he lives, but shipping goes everywhere :p
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My friends at work and I were talking about the CPU and why I decided to return it instead of just keeping it or selling it to one of them. I reminded them I work in a high confidence position. I cannot afford even the appearance of impropriety or I lose my job. (I'm not referring to a security clearance...this goes way beyond that...) :angelic:
 
notarat said:
My friends at work and I were talking about the CPU and why I decided to return it instead of just keeping it or selling it to one of them. I reminded them I work in a high confidence position. I cannot afford even the appearance of impropriety or I lose my job. (I'm not referring to a security clearance...this goes way beyond that...) :angelic:
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Selling computer parts can appear improper?

In that case, man am I in trouble. :p
 
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