Rumor that Socket AM5 to debut with Ryzen 5000

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[Delete if repost.] Had some concerns about investing into a possibly already dead platform that is AM4. They just keep pumping out the news about up and coming designs that kills the joy for the current.

"Zen 3-based Ryzen 4000 is touted to offer anywhere between 8 to 15% IPC gains and moderately higher clocks over the current Ryzen 3000 lineup. However, Ryzen 4000 is most likely to be the last Socket AM4-compatible generation, according to a insider information obtained by RedGamingTech. Ryzen 5000 based on Zen 4 could very well transition to Socket AM5 as the DDR5 and PCIe Gen5 standards that are expected to debut around late 2021 or early 2022 could make retaining the current AM4 socket difficult."

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Ryzen...et-AM5-to-debut-with-Ryzen-5000.446653.0.html
 
[Delete if repost.] Had some concerns about investing into a possibly already dead platform that is AM4. They just keep pumping out the news about up and coming designs that kills the joy for the current.

"Zen 3-based Ryzen 4000 is touted to offer anywhere between 8 to 15% IPC gains and moderately higher clocks over the current Ryzen 3000 lineup. However, Ryzen 4000 is most likely to be the last Socket AM4-compatible generation, according to a insider information obtained by RedGamingTech. Ryzen 5000 based on Zen 4 could very well transition to Socket AM5 as the DDR5 and PCIe Gen5 standards that are expected to debut around late 2021 or early 2022 could make retaining the current AM4 socket difficult."

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Ryzen...et-AM5-to-debut-with-Ryzen-5000.446653.0.html
Getting used to not feeling to urge to upgrade every year or two? It's not quite like the 90's when just about every year you could upgrade and see massive improvements in performance, but the slump of the last decade is finally over, with exciting products on the horizon. Buy what you need for today, and save up for tomorrow!
 
Then they deny compatibility. And someone pin mods the chip and flashes the bios and it works fine. I’ll never forget that.

Yeah, sometimes I don't buy things in pure spite. Intel CPUs is one of those things now. I didn't even sniff at a PC upgrade until AM4 came along. (from a Core 2 Quad Q6600)

Still, looking forward to an Nvidia "Ampere"/Intel 10nm rig next year. Should be another worthy bump, although I shudder at the $$. I fear we'll be looking at $2000 just for higher end CPU/GPU pairings. I still have that mental block of spending more than $300-$500 on any single item.
 
It seems like it would be a bad idea not to iterate on the Zen 3 architecture at least once before shifting platforms to AM5, so 2022 seems early for such a shift. That would be a 6-7 year run for AM4, which is really damn good. It also means it's probably way too early to start crying over the "death of AM4."
 
It seems like it would be a bad idea not to iterate on the Zen 3 architecture at least once before shifting platforms to AM5, so 2022 seems early for such a shift. That would be a 6-7 year run for AM4, which is really damn good. It also means it's probably way too early to start crying over the "death of AM4."

I hope so, I hope so cause it feels really bad to have invested in AM4 right now with all these rumors
 
I hope so, I hope so cause it feels really bad to have invested in AM4 right now with all these rumors
I don't understand why you feel that way. I mean, you could still be using your old system. Is that what you want?
A computer is a tool, not an investment. If you don't get your money's worth out of your computer and are filled with buyer's remorse and self-doubt after spending the money to upgrade then you need to re-evaluate your reasons for upgrading in the first place.
Besides, your only other choice is another dead-end platform.
 
I don't see how its a bad investment. We have two+ more years of them making mobos. You already have issues with new X570 boards not supporting first gen ryzen.
 
Right around the time when I’ll be thinking of replacing my 8700k. I was tempted to get a 3950 this year but it’s a side grade for my use case, unless I decided to run some VMs or stream.
 
Four CPU cycles seems reasonable, but still on my gen 1 motherboard. Works okay but wouldn't mind upgrading it, maybe new boards support more M.2 slots and NVMe drives. That would be longer term for me anyways. But if I know the platform is dead I might not upgrade next year and just save for the AMD 5000.
 
I don't see this happening till some time till 2021, and by then I expect that they will have rolled down many of the features found in the new Threadrippers into their consumer line so I totally expect a new socket by that point. That and they were pretty clear that the AM4 socket was only being supported till 2020 and while still functional is no longer as efficient as it could be for a number of factors.
 
Already dead? Not at all.

I had a first gen AM4 mobo w/ a 1800X that I upgraded to a 3700X with just a simple BIOS update.

Maybe this won't hold true for future chips, but that is way better than with Intel.

Also, we are talking about 2022, so more than 2 years out. Not sure how that could be considered dead. That's a good run.
 
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Honestly anyone who feels like am4 is a dead platform, is in the wrong hobby. Welcome to 16 cores and 32 threads for $750.

And more obviously, they have never invested heavily into an Intel platform and socket that literally was dead when it was released.
 
Makes going with a 3000 right now all that much easier. Looks like we should be able to drop 4000 chips in there next year if the upgrades are worth it. And a new board for DDR 5 seems like a logical step. We all know DDR 5 is coming and PCIe5 will probably need redesigned board traces anyway.

Lets just hope they build enough future foresight into AM5 so that it also lasts 4 generations of chips. (which might be asking a lot)
 
Honestly I don't see how anyone can complain with his well the AM4 socket has been support. I was wrong believing that MB manufacturers would of abandon older chip sets. I give them credit that even lowly 350b boards still got bios updates for 3xxx CPUs.
 
Got a Ryzen 1st gen 1700X in a B450 motherboard and if i can go from a 1st gen cpu to a 4700X I'll be extremely satisfied. Can't believe people are actually whining about not being able to drop in a 5xxx series cpu in their 4-5 year old motherboards..
 
If you can afford to wait it's better to buy into a platform at the beginning of the cycle than the end. AMD stated that AM4 would be supported through 2020 so if you bought within the last couple of years you got a nice amount of time to utilize your Ryzen. Now that 2020 is almost here, we know that there's about 1 more year left (officially) to the AM4 platform. If it ends up going through 2021/2022, that's bonus.

Erek, enjoy your Zen2. It will last you a while! Good on AMD to support a platform for as long as they did; they've done it before and are likely to continue. (y)
 
AMD's main sockets seem to be named after the DDR they support. Well likely see a DDR4 "AMD4+" as a forced change before we get a DDR5 "AM5" socket.

At some point, the architecture is going to be held back by the socket, but DDR5 won't be ready.
 
i have zero complaints with how long am4 has lasted and honestly i'll probably get a 4700x or something next and sit on that for a few years because my x570 board gives me everything i'll ever need for a while and i'm sure as hell not paying the new product tax with ddr5 when that comes out.
 
Meh. Still better than Intel where you essentially needed a new mainboard every CPU refresh.

Yes I'm quoting myself, but I just saw news Intel did it AGAIN. 14nm+++++++++++ Core i9 10900K, 10 core/Z490 Chipset/LGA1200. Coming in April. What a horrible ecosystem.
 
Meh. Still better than Intel where you essentially needed a new mainboard every CPU refresh.
And sometimes a new MB in between the refresh!

Yeah, but like some others have said that the margin in games is very close now. AMD could end up going past Intel next year. Though some of it is Intels fault since they have
quite a few "fixes" and such that slow them down. I think an upgrade every few years is good now. Even better if you buy the HEDT.
 
[Delete if repost.] Had some concerns about investing into a possibly already dead platform that is AM4. They just keep pumping out the news about up and coming designs that kills the joy for the current.

"Zen 3-based Ryzen 4000 is touted to offer anywhere between 8 to 15% IPC gains and moderately higher clocks over the current Ryzen 3000 lineup. However, Ryzen 4000 is most likely to be the last Socket AM4-compatible generation, according to a insider information obtained by RedGamingTech. Ryzen 5000 based on Zen 4 could very well transition to Socket AM5 as the DDR5 and PCIe Gen5 standards that are expected to debut around late 2021 or early 2022 could make retaining the current AM4 socket difficult."

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Ryzen...et-AM5-to-debut-with-Ryzen-5000.446653.0.html

Best post yet erek and I fully agree with your comment above the quote.

This seems plausible. Since the 4000 Series is supposed to be the last generation on the AM4 platform. It seems likely that we will see DDR5 on AM5 with 5 nm Ryzen 5000... All kind of has a nice ring to it.

Yea sure ... all you need is $$$
 
Intel almost garentee that you'll need a new mainboard every time they release a new series. Hell, with the new socket coming out from Intel, it will have been 3 sockets just for Skylake derived designs. You get MAXIMUM 2 CPU launches on any Intel platform, and in some cases only one.

Meanwhile AMD's socket that will support 4 generations at minimum is 'a dead platform'
 
Honestly just sounds like someone has buyers remorse. I’ve been building since the 386 days. There may have been a time or two where I got so much value from my purchase, but this era is up there on top.
 
Honestly just sounds like someone has buyers remorse. I’ve been building since the 386 days. There may have been a time or two where I got so much value from my purchase, but this era is up there on top.

i'd still put AM2 at the top with AM4 a close second, that socket survived first gen x2, second gen, phenom I, and phenom II. even if none of them were really that competitive to the competition at any point amd could of just decided to kill the socket with any of those processor releases yet they didn't and actually made their newer processors backwards compatible to it even though they could be used on am2+/am3 as well with the phenom II.
 
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