China tells government offices to remove all foreign computer equipment

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"The government directive is likely to be a blow to US multinational companies like HP, Dell and Microsoft and mirrors attempts by Washington to limit the use of Chinese technology, as the trade war between the countries turns into a tech cold war.

The Trump administration banned US companies from doing business with Chinese Chinese telecommunications company Huawei earlier this year and in May, Google, Intel and Qualcomm announced they would freeze cooperation with Huawei."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ices-to-remove-all-foreign-computer-equipment
 
This day was going to come just a matter how long our 'free trade' farce was going to be allowed to continue.
 
World domination by economic power. China saw CCCP fail through a military arms race and are just trying a different avenue.
 
filip said:
But what will they use? Chinese knock offs.
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They'll roll their own. By throwing out all American tech, they also have no obligation anymore to any foreign companies and will soon be both a independent manuf/dev and a major exporter to other markets.

Billions to be made here and also establish new footholds in growing economies worldwide. This will result in a major influence shift that guarantees a upper hand at future negotiations regarding world trade (and military influence).
 
Auer said:
They'll roll their own. By throwing out all American tech, they also have no obligation anymore to any foreign companies and will soon be both a independent manuf/dev and a major exporter to other markets.

Billions to be made here and also establish new footholds in growing economies worldwide. This will result in a major influence shift that guarantees a upper hand at future negotiations regarding world trade (and military influence).
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Only possible with unilaterally open access to the US market to fund that.
 
Auer said:
They'll roll their own. By throwing out all American tech, they also have no obligation anymore to any foreign companies and will soon be both a independent manuf/dev and a major exporter to other markets.

Billions to be made here and also establish new footholds in growing economies worldwide. This will result in a major influence shift that guarantees a upper hand at future negotiations regarding world trade (and military influence).
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Yes, They have enough engineers to "roll their own" as you say - and copy the sh*t out of what's available - legally or steal. it's not as good as non-chinese engineers all the time per-se but but good enough for now until they own everything..
 
Jagger100 said:
Only possible with unilaterally open access to the US market to fund that.
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They already have the funds. And soon enough their infrastructure exports will include full world class IT. Poorer governments can trade natural resources and military access for roads, hospitals, schools, factories etc.

Check out China's influence in Africa currently.
 
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I wonder if China is going to still go with that proposed Foxconn plant here in Wi. Basically ruined the deal if relations are like this.
 
How is this a blow to Microsoft? When 99.9999% of the software in China's government offices most likely comes from pirated software.
 
filip said:
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Don't underestimate the power of chinese tech. They are much more flexible than tech giants, they plug every market hole in a fraction of a time, and with much cheaper products. Yes there might be quality issues in some cases, but some of their lower tech products are surprisingly well designed. It's only a matter of time when hitech knockoffs will be as good as or better than the "real" thing. Heck their smarhphones already are for half the price.
 
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How is this a blow to Microsoft? When 99.9999% of the software in China's government offices most likely comes from pirated software.
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That is so out of date. Microsoft generate significant revenue from China nowadays. Pre-built PCs pay a license. However the biggest source of revenue is cloud services. Of which the government is or at least was, a major customer.

Also it is more than just revenue. China is high return on equity for most US tech and media companies because the investment has already been made for the domestic market. It doesn’t cost much to localize it for China and other foreign markets.
 
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Auer said:
They'll roll their own. By throwing out all American tech, they also have no obligation anymore to any foreign companies and will soon be both a independent manuf/dev and a major exporter to other markets.

Billions to be made here and also establish new footholds in growing economies worldwide. This will result in a major influence shift that guarantees a upper hand at future negotiations regarding world trade (and military influence).
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M76 said:
Don't underestimate the power of chinese tech. They are much more flexible than tech giants, they plug every market hole in a fraction of a time, and with much cheaper products. Yes there might be quality issues in some cases, but some of their lower tech products are surprisingly well designed. It's only a matter of time when hitech knockoffs will be as good as or better than the "real" thing. Heck their smarhphones already are for half the price.
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Sure but actual cpu's/ gpu's and their architecture. That is billions of dollars and so many have dropped out of manufacturing the newest processes.
A phone sure, but where are the knock off gpu and cpu dies?

EDIT: yeah they make their own processors "i5" with tsmc dies. it can work for that company time to invest.
 
Does this mean China's tech market will become cheaper while the US's will continue aiming for orbit? I joke, but it's probably what'll happen.
 
Skull_Angel said:
Does this mean China's tech market will become cheaper while the US's will continue aiming for orbit? I joke, but it's probably what'll happen.
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Unless tech companies can find another place to manufacture where labor is not protected, Prices will go up.

It is however not as simple. While china had cheap labor, it also had extremely regimented procedures and a strong government to keep the manufacturers on track.
This is not something you usually find in countries with cheap labor.
 
filip said:
Sure but actual cpu's/ gpu's and their architecture. That is billions of dollars and so many have dropped out of manufacturing the newest processes.
A phone sure, but where are the knock off gpu and cpu dies?

EDIT: yeah they make their own processors "i5" with tsmc dies. it can work for that company time to invest.
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Zhaoxin has been building x86 chips in China for China for a few years now. If your not familiar Zhaoxin is basically a Via and the Chinese government collaboration. Their first few chips where basically die shrinks of the old Via Isiah stuff. Their current shipping ZX-E line on the high end are about equal to i5-7400 complete with all extensions up to and including AVX with build in DX 11 GPUS... which put them right in current 4 core Intel laptop part territory performance wise. They have been selling them since last year in Chinese made laptops for the home market. There is no doubt such chips could easily replace most machines they have been using with older Intel parts.

Samples of their next part the ZX-F-7000 have been floating around for a few months. Looks like a 7nm part that according to leaks has around 80% of the IPC of a zen2 with PCIe4 and possibly DDR5 support.

They aren't surpassing AMD or even Intel yet... but they are making stuff plenty fast enough to power bureaucrats laptops and office desktops.

On the super computer side China cut the US tech out long ago.

Frankly chilling US tech to China was one of the stupidest decisions the US has made in a long time. China for a long time was content to keep using US made stuff... now they seem pretty much set on replacing all US tech in the country. Like it or not they can use their Gov to fund research the same way the US has for decades. The US got big jumps on basically everyone in tech cause the US gov was willing to throw billions at the industry to build the tech to do crazy things like put people on the moon. Our entire modern tech lifestyle is all owing to 100s of billions in US tax payer funds being funneled into tech research. Now China is going to start doing the same.

It will be interesting to see where things are in 5 years 10 years heck 20 years from now. It seems like the tech world is going to be mostly split between the US/West and China... I know for now china seems to be building riffs on US tech, but they are working on 100% Chinese ISAs as well. At this point we know they are building 100% chinese x86 / ARM / MIPS designs... and have at least one known alternate ISA the Shenwei-64 Instruction Set used in their super computers from Sunway. Where they go from here will be interesting. At some point trying to stop the Chinese stuff from ending up outside china will be very difficult.
 
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It will be interesting to see where things are in 5 years 10 years heck 20 years from now. It seems like the tech world is going to be mostly split between the US/West and China... I know for now china seems to be building riffs on US tech, but they are working on 100% Chinese ISAs as well. At this point we know they are building 100% chinese x86 / ARM / MIPS designs... and have at least one known alternate ISA the Shenwei-64 Instruction Set used in their super computers from Sunway. Where they go from here will be interesting. At some point trying to stop the Chinese stuff from ending up outside china will be very difficult.
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All things considered, the USA will likely turn into a closer semblance of China (much weaker though) if there isn't enough growth in the manufacturing sectors and a change to business models/laws that benefit the working class more. China on the other hand will likely become more and more like those tech based dystopian worlds seen in sci-fi media.
 
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