AMDs 2nd “golden age” has arrived

erek said:
Hoping to be able to easily get a 3950X on Nov 25th !!!!
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Seems like everyone and their brother want one of these so good luck! Amd has made me enough so it’s time for my upgrade as well. May wait out for zen3 as I have no real need.
 
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Now if they could capture the high end in the gpu market we would all be happy. But that doesn't seem likely unfortunately.
 
5150Joker said:
Now if they could capture the high end in the gpu market we would all be happy. But that doesn't seem likely unfortunately.
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Anything is possible, but you're right, it's unlikely. Nvidia would have to stumble on their 7nm launch (much like Intel) for AMD to take the crown, and that would actually result in a very stagnant market for several years if that happened.
 
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I'd definitely qualify this as a "2nd golden age" for AMD. Not only are they excelling in the CPU space, their GPUs (formerly ATI) and APUs are also more than competitive. In every place except ultra high-end GPUs, they've leveled the field and then some against the competition.

I'm very happy to say, for the first time since my Athlon XP and 9700 pro, my primary machine is running AMD/ATI a CPU and GPU. All hail Lisa Su.
 
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kirbyrj said:
Anything is possible, but you're right, it's unlikely. Nvidia would have to stumble on their 7nm launch (much like Intel) for AMD to take the crown, and that would actually result in a very stagnant market for several years if that happened.
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Yeah and unlike Intel, nVidia isn't dependent on its own foundries so Samsung will do most of the hard work for them. I still think AMD has a chance to close the gap but they still need to improve power consumption. I am glad they are giving Intel competition in the cpu space, hopefully they pick up significant market share.
 
going to intel some years ago never felt right for me... happy to return to AMD and wish them the best. I don't want Intel to go away though, the competition is good
 
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Yeah and unlike Intel, nVidia isn't dependent on its own foundries so Samsung will do most of the hard work for them. I still think AMD has a chance to close the gap but they still need to improve power consumption. I am glad they are giving Intel competition in the cpu space, hopefully they pick up significant market share.
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I think that's blown out of proportion with Navi. A 5700XT is a 225W card and the 2070 Super is a 215W card. They are within a few percentage points of each other. The 5700 is 180W vs the 160W of the 2060 and the 175 of the 2060 Super. There is room to improve obviously since it is a 7nm part, but it's not an absolute blowout.

Vega...absolutely.
 
erek said:
Hoping to be able to easily get a 3950X on Nov 25th !!!!
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Dont hold your breath they could not even get them out to all reviewers. I know JayzTwoCents didnt get one.
 
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everyone wants a 3950x and i'm sitting here waiting for used 3900x's to rain down like water

Dan_D said:
Good luck with that. AMD barely sampled them to reviewers. In contrast, damn near everyone got 3900X's for review. Even brand new sites started by a bunch of displaced veteran reviewers from the [H] that were unproven on their own.
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i still can't believe TPU didn't get one.
 
AMD should feel some heat then about this availability issue and the hype, it's hurtful to us consumers and enthusiasts to be strung along on vaporware
 
erek said:
enthusiasts to be strung along on vaporware
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It's demand for all of the newer products including EPYC which uses the high bin chiplets. The production ramp takes time with this kind of demand. That's why they delayed til next week. High margin parts selling high around black Friday. 3900X supply caught up within weeks. Supply chain is what it is.
 
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kirbyrj said:
I think that's blown out of proportion with Navi. A 5700XT is a 225W card and the 2070 Super is a 215W card. They are within a few percentage points of each other. The 5700 is 180W vs the 160W of the 2060 and the 175 of the 2060 Super. There is room to improve obviously since it is a 7nm part, but it's not an absolute blowout.

Vega...absolutely.
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NVIDIA are using less power on a 16nm process compared to AMD on a 7nm process. Seems like AMD had to go above and beyond on power usage just to keep up in the segments they're competing in. There may be room to improve, but they're not going to get there on the current process. We'll see what RDNA2 brings. I'm happy to see AMD competing with Intel once again in the CPU space. But they still have a long way to go in the GPU space against NVIDIA.
 
Armenius said:
NVIDIA are using less power on a 16nm process compared to AMD on a 7nm process. Seems like AMD had to go above and beyond on power usage just to keep up in the segments they're competing in. There may be room to improve, but they're not going to get there on the current process. We'll see what RDNA2 brings. I'm happy to see AMD competing with Intel once again in the CPU space. But they still have a long way to go in the GPU space against NVIDIA.
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I understand that. But it's irrelevant to the consumer right now vs. the actual power draw. A consumer has to plan for the thermals in their build, not what process the card is on is my point. How much further Nvidia or AMD can push their current processes or what advances they are bringing to the table with new processes or architectures is only relevant in terms of performance, power draw, and retail price to the consumer.
 
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Armenius said:
NVIDIA are using less power on a 16nm process compared to AMD on a 7nm process. Seems like AMD had to go above and beyond on power usage just to keep up in the segments they're competing in. There may be room to improve, but they're not going to get there on the current process. We'll see what RDNA2 brings. I'm happy to see AMD competing with Intel once again in the CPU space. But they still have a long way to go in the GPU space against NVIDIA.
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Ok, we all know Vega was "out of control" power wise but these latest Navi chips are MORE than reasonable. I agree that Nvida's process is more efficient but let's see what rDNA2 brings along with it's Ray Tracing capability.
 
Mega6 said:
Ok, we all know Vega was "out of control" power wise but these latest Navi chips are MORE than reasonable. I agree that Nvida's process is more efficient but let's see what rDNA2 brings along with it's Ray Tracing capability.
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Quite frankly, it depends on what you're doing with them. I could argue that for crypto-mining you get far, far more performance per watt with Navi compared to Turing, specifically with ETH. Whether or not it makes sense to buy graphics cards for mining anything is very debatable at this point. We're just lucky Navi came out AFTER the crypto-boom.
 
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Quite frankly, it depends on what you're doing with them. I could argue that for crypto-mining you get far, far more performance per watt with Navi compared to Turing, specifically with ETH. Whether or not it makes sense to buy graphics cards for mining anything is very debatable at this point. We're just lucky Navi came out AFTER the crypto-boom.
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Good point, I did undervolt my R9 290's and get some good hashing. Of course it today's environment for GPUs, I'm talking games. For bitcoin mining nowadays, your looking at ASIC Bitmain miners.
 
Master_shake_ said:
everyone wants a 3950x and i'm sitting here waiting for used 3900x's to rain down like water

i still can't believe TPU didn't get one.
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Buying used processors on the extra cheap is one of my favorite things to do.

Armenius said:
NVIDIA are using less power on a 16nm process compared to AMD on a 7nm process. Seems like AMD had to go above and beyond on power usage just to keep up in the segments they're competing in. There may be room to improve, but they're not going to get there on the current process. We'll see what RDNA2 brings. I'm happy to see AMD competing with Intel once again in the CPU space. But they still have a long way to go in the GPU space against NVIDIA.
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RTX is 12nm. You're painting a bigger gap than really exists.
 
I have had one AMD Build and I just feel there is something missing hopeful they have a future where they can make the market balanced Intel and Nvidia are way overpriced
 
Honestly the power argument in the high end video cards seems silly. Most people here overclock them anyway and if the AMD card got you 20% better performance then a 2080Ti for 100 more watts almost no one would care at all.
 
I have to agree with OP for one reason: AMD chips are expensive again. Good for shareholders, bad for the consumer. The last time AMD was on top during the X2 era, those chips did not come cheap. This time different than the X2 era too because there is no modern C2D on the horizon either...

I eagerly await the new TR to replace my 18-core Haswell.
 
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OFaceSIG said:
Buying used processors on the extra cheap is one of my favorite things to do.



RTX is 12nm. You're painting a bigger gap than really exists.
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And the changes to GF 12LP+ line bring it close to what is being done at TSMC's current 7nm line, which for all I know is what they will be making the cards with going forward.
They could move the 2080TI Super to the new line and see a marked improvement doing this alone and save a full shrink for a new architecture designed for 7nm out the gate rather than try to make the existing stuff work with it. Saves more money, causes less headaches, doesn't interupt any existing developments. Win Win for everybody.

"GlobalFoundries’ 12LP+ manufacturing technology builds upon the company’s 12LP process yet enables a 20% increase in performance (at the same power and complexity) or a 40% reduction in power requirements (at the same clocks and complexity) as well as a 15% improvement in logic area scaling when compared to 12LP platform. Among other things, 12LP+ supports 0.5V SRAM bit cells (which probably use IP that the company designed for its 7 nm nodes). In addition, GF developed a new 2.5D interposer that enables 12LP+ SoCs to work with HBM memory." https://www.anandtech.com/show/1490...nology-massive-performance-power-improvements
 
odditory said:
they'll behave exactly the same or maybe worse.
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Let me know when the et. la. "Intel price fixing" commences by AMD. Then I will know what you are saying is true.

EDIT: I see a fair price for a competitive and more advanced product. Intel cutting prices in half should tell you something about them. That's Intel GOUGING the consumer with previous pricing.
 
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Lakados said:
And the changes to GF 12LP+ line bring it close to what is being done at TSMC's current 7nm line, which for all I know is what they will be making the cards with going forward.
They could move the 2080TI Super to the new line and see a marked improvement doing this alone and save a full shrink for a new architecture designed for 7nm out the gate rather than try to make the existing stuff work with it. Saves more money, causes less headaches, doesn't interupt any existing developments. Win Win for everybody.

"GlobalFoundries’ 12LP+ manufacturing technology builds upon the company’s 12LP process yet enables a 20% increase in performance (at the same power and complexity) or a 40% reduction in power requirements (at the same clocks and complexity) as well as a 15% improvement in logic area scaling when compared to 12LP platform. Among other things, 12LP+ supports 0.5V SRAM bit cells (which probably use IP that the company designed for its 7 nm nodes). In addition, GF developed a new 2.5D interposer that enables 12LP+ SoCs to work with HBM memory." https://www.anandtech.com/show/1490...nology-massive-performance-power-improvements
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To my knowledge, GF has never fabbed Nvidia products.
 
I would mostly agree, but they need 5GHz parts like tomorrow because Intel is still leading in some areas, specifically single thread performance due to low clocks on AMD side.
 
bigdogchris said:
I would mostly agree, but they need 5GHz parts like tomorrow because Intel is still leading in some areas, specifically single thread performance due to low clocks on AMD side.
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Uh, like the Only area in some instances. single thread, .. that's all I ever hear. Everything else - nope.hi: i game at 320x200
 
With Intel having massive supply and security issues theyre literally holding the door open for AMD.

ATM it makes no sense to go Intel unless you have very specific needs.

Nvidia on the other hand can have half of the house on fire and still be ahead. Big Navi has to be special, and cheap, to rock that boat.
 
Auer said:
Nvidia on the other hand can have half of the house on fire and still be ahead. Big Navi has to be special, and cheap, to rock that boat.
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rDNA2 and/or Navi big as you say is done. It's already going in every console and a win. Over.
 
Mega6 said:
Can anyone tell us why that's NOT a win for AMDs Semi-Custom Group?
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AMD has been in both major consoles for many years already and it didn’t help. Why would it change now? The consoles are irrelevant. Navi has to win on its own merits.
 
MangoSeed said:
AMD has been in both major consoles for many years already and it didn’t help. Why would it change now? The consoles are irrelevant. Navi has to win on its own merits.
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You have no clue. Try reading the financials from the semi-custom group before you open your mouth. A new release cycle this fall 2020 will surge the earnings.
 
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