BioWare's new IP: Anthem

But you're talking about the ending, after having had played the whole game...?
I don't follow. People complained about the ending and to some this meant that the entire game is crap. The point is that even when gamers complain you can't be sure if what they are complaining about is valid.
Hey, I loved both; even played Andromeda on Normal --> Hardcore --> Insanity back to back because I flat out liked playing it. I also didn't catch even a whiff of the annoyances that 'influencers' found, though I don't put much stock into my own opinion here due to my very apparent bias.
The main point is that neither really lived up to their commercial expectations, so much so that EA abandoned Andromeda's planned sequels. A move today which seems pretty stupid, but it's EA.
After Anthem I would be surprised if behind the scenes EA isn't already scrambling to get Mass Effect revived.
A point I've already tried to make (somewhere) -- Diablo has never been a 'current gen game' in terms of graphics. Both because that's not Blizzard's art style (or their art style doesn't require it), but also because their target market is much broader than those that would buy AAA-games at least partially for their graphics. The same can be said for stuff like Overwatch, Starcraft, or properties from other companies like Valve's DOTA 2 or Riot's League of Legends. The latter two which play decently well on modern integrated graphics hardware.
Let me get this straight, you are saying that diablo is a casual game? While I never played it myself but seem to recall that the people playing it were hardcore. And it had pretty high hardware demand for the time. I remember trying to run Diablo 2 and my computer wasn't good enough for it.
 
I don't follow. People complained about the ending and to some this meant that the entire game is crap. The point is that even when gamers complain you can't be sure if what they are complaining about is valid.

After Anthem I would be surprised if behind the scenes EA isn't already scrambling to get Mass Effect revived.

Let me get this straight, you are saying that diablo is a casual game? While I never played it myself but seem to recall that the people playing it were hardcore. And it had pretty high hardware demand for the time. I remember trying to run Diablo 2 and my computer wasn't good enough for it.

Pretty casual game.

I mean sure, if you insist on sweeping your porch 8 times a day that can be hardcore too but the point is Diablo doesnt really require a player to dedicate their lives to it.
Mainly because it's an easy game to pick up and put down and had very little peer pressure unlike MMORPG's of that same time.
 
I don't follow. People complained about the ending and to some this meant that the entire game is crap. The point is that even when gamers complain you can't be sure if what they are complaining about is valid.

Agreed. The point is that, while the game was absolutely good, the ending did sour it in the market. Same for Andromeda, which had the appearance of actually steering EA away from further development.

After Anthem I would be surprised if behind the scenes EA isn't already scrambling to get Mass Effect revived.

By the gods we can hope...

Let me get this straight, you are saying that diablo is a casual game?

I'm actually talking about the graphics- the game I expect to be pretty hardcore, same with nearly all Blizzard games. They always go for a more 'cartoony' style typically associated say with Nintendo as opposed to pushing the limits of what can be done with contemporary hardware.

And it had pretty high hardware demand for the time. I remember trying to run Diablo 2 and my computer wasn't good enough for it.

Perhaps at the time, but while the window has certainly pushed forward, Blizzard hasn't.

And quite honestly, that's fine. I enjoy modern AAA-games just as I enjoy the classics and those made in their image.
 
What I find most interesting is people are still looking for new reasons to declare the game is dead. It’s been dead since shortly after launch, nothing has indicated the game is going to make any sort of meaningful return. It doesn’t matter to me if the entire remaining development staff falls into a black hole, it won’t change the rate of progress.

Sucks for sure. I like the gameplay and the environments, it just had too many terminal issues and poor decisions. It’s an EA game and they even gave up trying to monetize it. That means they know they don’t even have a handful of players left to squeeze money from.
 
What I find most interesting is people are still looking for new reasons to declare the game is dead. It’s been dead since shortly after launch, nothing has indicated the game is going to make any sort of meaningful return. It doesn’t matter to me if the entire remaining development staff falls into a black hole, it won’t change the rate of progress.

Sucks for sure. I like the gameplay and the environments, it just had too many terminal issues and poor decisions. It’s an EA game and they even gave up trying to monetize it. That means they know they don’t even have a handful of players left to squeeze money from.


EA knew the writing was on the wall before launch, thats why they cut bait and told those idiots to release it.
 
EA knew the writing was on the wall before launch, thats why they cut bait and told those idiots to release it.
It's easy and trendy to blame EA, but it was Bioware that screwed up both with Anthem and Andromeda. In both cases they wasted years chasing their own tails having unrealistic expectations (Dylan, yeah right), until EA had to come in and say enough which meant both games were made in less than 2 years in the end. And honestly the "talent" that is now fleeing the sinking bioware ship are actually the people to blame for these travesties, so I say good riddance, it was time to clean house.
 
BioWare is reportedly working on a complete overhaul of Anthem

According to Kotaku reports of Anthem's impending demise are greatly exaggerated, and in fact BioWare has developers in both Edmonton and Austin planning out a complete overhaul of the game—enough of a do-over that some people refer to it as Anthem 2.0 or Anthem Next

It's still very early days, to the point that BioWare and EA are still hammering out how it will be distributed: through a series of updates, a major all-at-once expansion, or even as an entirely new game...However it's handled, the site said that most of its main systems, including the mission structure, loot, and the game world, will change "drastically."...

https://kotaku.com/sources-bioware-plans-a-complete-overhaul-for-anthem-1839892415

where are the people who said that BioWare had given up on the game??...like I've been saying from the start you can't judge these live service games for at least a year as they could change drastically...plus the core mechanics are excellent, they just need to develop a better game around it
 
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BioWare is reportedly working on a complete overhaul of Anthem

According to Kotaku reports of Anthem's impending demise are greatly exaggerated, and in fact BioWare has developers in both Edmonton and Austin planning out a complete overhaul of the game—enough of a do-over that some people refer to it as Anthem 2.0 or Anthem Next

It's still very early days, to the point that BioWare and EA are still hammering out how it will be distributed: through a series of updates, a major all-at-once expansion, or even as an entirely new game...However it's handled, the site said that most of its main systems, including the mission structure, loot, and the game world, will change "drastically."...

https://kotaku.com/sources-bioware-plans-a-complete-overhaul-for-anthem-1839892415

where are the people who said that BioWare had given up on the game??...like I've been saying from the start you can't judge these live service games for at least a year as they could change drastically...plus the core mechanics are excellent, they just need to develop a better game around it

/Facepalm
 
I might actually have to download the game and try it out whenever this update happens (got it with my 2080, lol.)
 
BioWare is reportedly working on a complete overhaul of Anthem

According to Kotaku reports of Anthem's impending demise are greatly exaggerated, and in fact BioWare has developers in both Edmonton and Austin planning out a complete overhaul of the game—enough of a do-over that some people refer to it as Anthem 2.0 or Anthem Next

It's still very early days, to the point that BioWare and EA are still hammering out how it will be distributed: through a series of updates, a major all-at-once expansion, or even as an entirely new game...However it's handled, the site said that most of its main systems, including the mission structure, loot, and the game world, will change "drastically."...

https://kotaku.com/sources-bioware-plans-a-complete-overhaul-for-anthem-1839892415

where are the people who said that BioWare had given up on the game??...like I've been saying from the start you can't judge these live service games for at least a year as they could change drastically...plus the core mechanics are excellent, they just need to develop a better game around it

You remember all the hype and promises that were made before Anthem was released right? You remember how long Anthem was "in development" right? You said yourself back in September you hadn't played the game in months, yet here you are ready to hitch onto that wagon based on a bunch of maybes. EA/Bioware made big promises before, then released a dumpster fire. Will they "fix" Anthem? Maybe, but I won't be holding my breath. They have a LOT of work today to overcome the damage that's been done already.
 
You remember all the hype and promises that were made before Anthem was released right? You remember how long Anthem was "in development" right? You said yourself back in September you hadn't played the game in months, yet here you are ready to hitch onto that wagon based on a bunch of maybes. EA/Bioware made big promises before, then released a dumpster fire. Will they "fix" Anthem? Maybe, but I won't be holding my breath. They have a LOT of work today to overcome the damage that's been done already.

I still haven't played the game in months but everything I've been saying about the long term outlook has proven to be true...BioWare has not given up on the game...they are planning a major overhaul meaning they still believe in the concept...the framework is there for a great game...
 
I still haven't played the game in months but everything I've been saying about the long term outlook has proven to be true...BioWare has not given up on the game...they are planning a major overhaul meaning they still believe in the concept...the framework is there for a great game...

Bullshit. Nothing has been proven true at all. Lets wait till they actually release this revamped game.
 
This game was like 13.00 on the shelves at Walmart. I passed it up multiple times. It even cheaper ar CD keys if it's still in stock. There is no way to make money off the game.
 
I still haven't played the game in months but everything I've been saying about the long term outlook has proven to be true...BioWare has not given up on the game...they are planning a major overhaul meaning they still believe in the concept...the framework is there for a great game...

I hope it works out. It is a great concept and a really good looking game. A pretty good early DLSS adaptation as well. RTX shadows like in SOTTR would be awesome in this game.
 
This game was like 13.00 on the shelves at Walmart. I passed it up multiple times. It even cheaper ar CD keys if it's still in stock. There is no way to make money off the game.

Pretty sure it already did make money, sold well initially.

Also pretty easy to make more money off it, fix the game, wait a year, repackage it as Anthem: New Hope edition.
 
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It's easy and trendy to blame EA, but it was Bioware that screwed up both with Anthem and Andromeda. In both cases they wasted years chasing their own tails having unrealistic expectations (Dylan, yeah right), until EA had to come in and say enough which meant both games were made in less than 2 years in the end. And honestly the "talent" that is now fleeing the sinking bioware ship are actually the people to blame for these travesties, so I say good riddance, it was time to clean house.

To be fair though, EA was the one that forced Bioware to use the Frostbite engine for Andromeda, even though it doesn't support out of the box a lot of features that RPGs require (like an inventory system; the Dragon Age: Inquisition guys went through the same problems). Likewise, it was EA that forced Bioware to switch their animation system to Maya just 9 months before launch; is it any shock the animation system was a mess at launch?

Yes, Bioware screwed up trying to focus so much development time trying to make procedural generated worlds work. But EA shares the blame as well.
 
https://kotaku.com/sources-bioware-plans-a-complete-overhaul-for-anthem-1839892415

where are the people who said that BioWare had given up on the game??...like I've been saying from the start you can't judge these live service games for at least a year as they could change drastically...plus the core mechanics are excellent, they just need to develop a better game around it

Congrats on paying to be a beta tester for a product that EA/Bioware has now tacitly admitted is completed borked from top to bottom and requires a complete overhaul.

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The icing on the cake is that according to your article Bioware have no fucking clue and no firm plans on what they need to do to fix it, are thinking about breaking up the game world which no doubt will add MORE loading screens (yeah it really needs more of that) and are even contemplating releasing it as a new game that people have to pay for!? WTF! How you think this proves anything at this point is utterly baffling.
 
Congrats on paying to be a beta tester for a product that EA/Bioware has now tacitly admitted is completed borked from top to bottom and requires a complete overhaul.

The icing on the cake is that according to your article Bioware have no fucking clue and no firm plans on what they need to do to fix it, are thinking about breaking up the game world which no doubt will add MORE loading screens (yeah it really needs more of that) and are even contemplating releasing it as a new game that people have to pay for!? WTF! How you think this proves anything at this point is utterly baffling.

is this your way of deflecting?...instead of admitting you were wrong about BioWare abandoning the game you change the topic to something else?...these live service games have the ability to change drastically which is what I said from the beginning...you can't judge it for at least 1 year after release...and no the game will not be a new game where players have to pay again...

I never said the game was perfect...it has issues but the core mechanics are there to build around...you take things way too seriously and criticize or hate nearly every game and every developer
 
is this your way of deflecting?...instead of admitting you were wrong about BioWare abandoning the game you change the topic to something else?...these live service games have the ability to change drastically which is what I said from the beginning...you can't judge it for at least 1 year after release

Nope, simply pointing out facts. I have no faith in either Bioware or EA, and there is still plenty of opportunity for them to abandon ship, especially if Bioware fucks up Dragon Age 4. If you want to buy into the delusion that it is somehow okay for publishers to release trash because of a misconceived and misplaced hope that it will always be fixed one day, then be my guest. I will continue to treat these types of grifter practices with the ire and disdain they deserve.

...and no the game will not be a new game where players have to pay again...

And yet that is exactly what the article points as a possibility. Deflecting much?

I never said the game was perfect...it has issues but the core mechanics are there to build around

It has one gameplay loop that may be salvageable, whilst it has been widely documented and commented on that just about every other system and aspect of the game is fucked.

...you take things way too seriously and criticize or hate nearly every game and every developer

Sweeping ad hominem generalisations isn't going to make your arguments any more credible.[/QUOTE]
 
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Sweeping ad hominem generalisations isn't going to make your arguments any more credible.

you hate every game from EA...you hated Anthem before release, never had any intention of buying it, hated it as soon as it was released and every day after...I judge games on a game-by-game basis and I've been basically right about everything from the time I decided to buy Anthem...plus I've criticized many parts of it as well and I haven't played it in months...you need to be more open minded instead of letting your blind rage regarding EA or BioWare or Bethesda etc cloud your views...you never seem to buy any game when it's released anyhow so your moral high ground argument about everything seems disingenuous...you never have any intention of buying any game at release so it's easy to hate
 
you hate every game from EA...you hated Anthem before release, never had any intention of buying it, hated it as soon as it was released and every day after...

I criticize most of EA's trash games and their anti-consumer practices because....you guessed it....they are trash games cynically designed without any artistic passion or integrity to siphon as much money as possible away from consumer wallets. Clearly you think validly directed criticism somehow is the same as hate to undermine anyone who disagrees with you, its a false equivalence and disingenuous. And I was proven completely right in my skepticism and suspicions by Kotaku's original article which established that, firstly, Bioware and EA with full knowledge shipped a game which was completely half baked at release, and secondly repeatedly misrepresented numerous aspects of the game right up until release.

I judge games on a game-by-game basis and I've been basically right about everything from the time I decided to buy Anthem...

You have actually been proven wrong repeatedly.

..you need to be more open minded instead of letting your blind rage regarding EA or BioWare or Bethesda etc cloud your views...

Its called logic, patience and not requiring instant gratification like some of the spineless consumers who buy games sight unseen at release......not rage, learn the difference.

you never seem to buy any game when it's released anyhow so your moral high ground argument about everything seems disingenuous...you never have any intention of buying any game at release so it's easy to hate

And why would I be stupid enough to buy games at release, especially from an untrustworthy publisher like EA which has a well established track record of consistently putting out broken products. I pay what I perceive these games to be worth, and most of these games are not worth the day one release price because they are either broken and/or riddled with microtransactions and season passes. You seem to resent the fact that some people have the ability to be more prudent than you in the way they spend their money.
 
is this your way of deflecting?...instead of admitting you were wrong about BioWare abandoning the game you change the topic to something else?...these live service games have the ability to change drastically which is what I said from the beginning...you can't judge it for at least 1 year after release...and no the game will not be a new game where players have to pay again...

I never said the game was perfect...it has issues but the core mechanics are there to build around...you take things way too seriously and criticize or hate nearly every game and every developer

Come on now.....you can't be this naive.
 
https://kotaku.com/sources-bioware-plans-a-complete-overhaul-for-anthem-1839892415

where are the people who said that BioWare had given up on the game??...like I've been saying from the start you can't judge these live service games for at least a year as they could change drastically...plus the core mechanics are excellent, they just need to develop a better game around it

They did give up. I don't know if you noticed but they are working on a re-release which you'll have to pay for even if you already bought anthem.

You can't judge? GTFO, I'm judging the here and now, not what it might or might not become years later. Life is too short to waste it on crap games and live services.
 
Would this be fun to play for the first 20 hrs?

If the loading times on Destiny 2 aren't bad on an SSD it won't be too bad for Anthem?
 
polonyc2 will be pleased to learn that I finally relented and bought Anthem for the princely sum of $2.70 USD, but even that I fear may be money wasted if it goes F2P! :ROFLMAO:

Now bring on that magical 1-year anniversary patch that is going to fix this pile of turd and turn it into the best $DLC infested MMOARPG to ever exist!
 
polonyc2 will be pleased to learn that I finally relented and bought Anthem for the princely sum of $2.70 USD, but even that I fear may be money wasted if it goes F2P! :ROFLMAO:

Now bring on that magical 1-year anniversary patch that is going to fix this pile of turd and turn it into the best $DLC infested MMOARPG to ever exist!

$2.70 is about $1 more then you normally like to pay for any game...:D ...even if a game is universally regarded as Game of the Century you wouldn't buy it until it hit $5 on Steam...I know there's zero chance of you getting Cyberpunk 2077 or Elden Ring at release...hopefully now that you played Sekiro you will appreciate the brilliance of From Software and realize that they are one of the few developers worth a blind buy on Day 1 :oldman:
 
$2.70 is about $1 more then you normally like to pay for any game...:D ...even if a game is universally regarded as Game of the Century you wouldn't buy it until it hit $5 on Steam...I know there's zero chance of you getting Cyberpunk 2077 or Elden Ring at release...hopefully now that you played Sekiro you will appreciate the brilliance of From Software and realize that they are one of the few developers worth a blind buy on Day 1 :oldman:

Abject ad hominem nonsense from you as usual. My threshold for AAA trash is usually around the $10 mark, so feel free to search my post history where I have repeated this a number of times.

More to the point, I will without hesitation buy games at release that I consider worthy of my money and isn't broken trash infested with DLC, which sadly isn't much these days. In recent times that has included GTA V, The Witcher 3, Divinity Original Sin 2, Cyberpunk 2077 and RDR 2 as soon as its on steam.

I suspect that underlying your jaded posts is resentment towards anyone sensible enough not to have paid full RRP for a product that obviously was going to be a dumpster fire at release.
 
Finally picked up origin access and started this. I'm about 10 hours in.

I enjoy the gameplay, flying is fun. Gunplay feels a lot like Warframe. I'm a bit disappointed at how much the rest mimics destiny like gear and story. I find the grind is a bit boring but I'll stick with it for awhile I think

Kind of all annoying when you look for info and all you can find are people complaining that the game sucks. What a weird situation this title is in atm
 
There are some reports that Bioware plans to totally overhaul the game from the ground up. Other reports say that's either a pipe dream or even a sequel. Others say the whole team is gone and they only have people around to support major issues with the game as-is.
Tough to tell what will really happen...if anything. The game sold pretty well and it seems like most people have just moved on and forgotten all about it.
 
There are some reports that Bioware plans to totally overhaul the game from the ground up. Other reports say that's either a pipe dream or even a sequel. Others say the whole team is gone and they only have people around to support major issues with the game as-is.
Tough to tell what will really happen...if anything. The game sold pretty well and it seems like most people have just moved on and forgotten all about it.

Considering all the big wigs have left......
 
Yea it's in Flux like no man's sky was. Well see if they can pull it out.

No Man's Sky is a bit different as the developer had a reputation they wanted to improve, and really couldn't just abandon the game.

With Anthem it makes more financial sense for EA to just kill the IP and move on. EA doesn't have a reputation that they care to improve. They just need to satisfy the shareholders.
 
There are some reports that Bioware plans to totally overhaul the game from the ground up. Other reports say that's either a pipe dream or even a sequel. Others say the whole team is gone and they only have people around to support major issues with the game as-is.
Tough to tell what will really happen...if anything. The game sold pretty well and it seems like most people have just moved on and forgotten all about it.
Yes it sold well. EA got their money out of it. There is no financial reasoning to fix the game for them at this point. Its name is tarnished and won't bring many new sales in to the game to make it worth it.
 
Yes it sold well. EA got their money out of it. There is no financial reasoning to fix the game for them at this point. Its name is tarnished and won't bring many new sales in to the game to make it worth it.
Oter than maintaining partnership. With nvidia that bundled licenses for anthem with their cards for a while. If nvidia wanted they could raise some hell over this.
 
Yes it sold well. EA got their money out of it. There is no financial reasoning to fix the game for them at this point. Its name is tarnished and won't bring many new sales in to the game to make it worth it.

If the game is good then people will come and play it, enough games have already proven that like destiny and NMS. Also it's a game they intended to support for a long time and while getting those people on other project might be easy enough, building a new game from the ground up will take years b4 you see any money while adding to anthem will go faster and depending how they want to moneytise it will bring in money faster.

EA even had SW battlefront 2 beeing fixed which seems to be doing ok now which was also declared DOA .
 
If the game is good then people will come and play it, enough games have already proven that like destiny and NMS. Also it's a game they intended to support for a long time and while getting those people on other project might be easy enough, building a new game from the ground up will take years b4 you see any money while adding to anthem will go faster and depending how they want to moneytise it will bring in money faster.

EA even had SW battlefront 2 beeing fixed which seems to be doing ok now which was also declared DOA .

Hate to break it to you, there's a radical difference on the launches between BF2, D2, etc. and Anthem.
 
The existence of generic outlaws to kill is nothing new and they're basically from Andromeda on Kadara.

But humans are so plentiful they will just swarm you with 18 guys getting mowed down? That's how little they value life and this is fun? They should be in the caves you already cleared of shaper relics or something and a pain to fight through barricades, etc.
 
Oter than maintaining partnership. With nvidia that bundled licenses for anthem with their cards for a while. If nvidia wanted they could raise some hell over this.
But why? The game bundle was just advertising for them to sell cards. Nobody returned their Nvidia GPU because anthem is crap. They have nothing to gain by confronting EA and everything to loose.
 
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