Youtube plans to join the ad extortion bandwagon...

Nobody said they are exactly like cable but you. I just said if they do this they'll end up like cable: obsolete.
I think they want to be cable. Look at the sheer revenue. $1000/yr for 90 channels of garbage the only gets used 10% of the time can't be beat (that's cheap these days) not to mention ads. They may not recreate that but they want a piece of that. They want to become the home for Cable Programming which requires heavy and unskippable ad placement. I'm fully onboard with the conspiracy theory they are slowly brooming current small time creators to make YT a corporate friendly platform.
 
Where the hell are you getting $1000 a year from?
My youtube premium doesn't even hit $100 a year (I pay $8 a month)
Even if I wanted live TV through YouTube, that's only $50 a month (so, $600 a year)

But I pay to avoid ads so there's no way in hell I'm gonna pay that much for ads.
 
I probably wouldn’t notice that YouTube wouldn’t work for a month or two.

How much YouTube are you people watching?

The only time I even think about it is so I can listen to some not available on internet radio album like The Unseens Explode.
YouTube is also good for minor how to videos but other than that it’s a wasteland IMHO.
 
Even if I wanted live TV through YouTube, that's only $50 a month (so, $600 a year)
Dude, just go pluto.tv for that old school live tv experience... was a blast from the past the other day when I found out about it
 
Oh, I explicitly never, ever, ever want that old school live TV experience. Every streaming thing that I pay for, I pay to avoid ads.

How much YouTube are you people watching?
Probably on average 20-30 hours a week. Youtube probably thinks I watch double to triple that because I usually let it autoplay for hours.
 
Oh, I explicitly never, ever, ever want that old school live TV experience. Every streaming thing that I pay for, I pay to avoid ads.


Probably on average 20-30 hours a week. Youtube probably thinks I watch double to triple that because I usually let it autoplay for hours.
Is that during work or 20-30 hours of non working, personal time?

I use internet radio around the same amount of time a week, and happily pay for no ads, but I’m outside sales and in my car all day.

That’s a lotta YouTube— I would definitely pay if I consumed that much to avoid the ads.
 
Youtube is probably my main source for entertainment. I am subscribed to a couple dozen channels and watch their videos every night. I don't mind the ads since I'm using the service for free. What does drive me nuts though is when Youtube channels started putting ads in their videos. Not one that are recorded as part of the video, but when they change the setting to run more ads. There is one channel that comes to mind where they tell youtube to run ads 2-3 times in a 10 minute video.

Besides that, I actively run a Pi-Hole on my network and use ADP/Ublock Origin. Not to completely block all adds, but to block the ads that cross the line of good taste and internet etiquette.
 
I feel sorry for the Chrome users. The people who have allowed Google to place the castration bands around their testicles via allowing Google full control, including the website they are browsing AND the browser they are using. Bonus if they are also using a Chromebook and/or a Google fiber internet connection.

As a Firefox user, I remain optimistic that I'll be able to find a way to tell Google to kiss my ass and continue to be able to use any plugin that I want, in any situation that I want.
I use Waterfox for everything and use Brave when I need to log into my Gmail, but I'm working on migrating everything that relies on that to my Comcast e-mail. I've never logged into my Google account with Waterfox and never will.
I don't think they are going to start banning people, more like prevent playback from starting. As some users don't even use an account. The only reason I created one is because of their policy that only registered users can watch age restricted videos.
You can get around age restrictions without signing in by embedding the video somehow. I usually use the [H] message preview, myself :cool:.
 
Curious how much money "content creators" actually gets from Youtube. Presumably not much unless you have a metric fuck ton of subscribers/views, but if you have that many chances are other companies are sponsoring you directly, NordVPN, CuriosityStream, or whatever.

I dunno, feels like Youtube used to be a place where people simply posted videos of shit they loved doing/talking about, whether it's playing a video game, showing off your fish tank, or showing you how to mud and tape drywall, now everyone it seems is a "content creator" and they're doing it to get paid/views/subs. Now I get that some of these videos definitely are a lot of work to do outside of the shooting, but seems like I miss the good ol' days of the internet.
 
Curious how much money "content creators" actually gets from Youtube. Presumably not much unless you have a metric fuck ton of subscribers/views, but if you have that many chances are other companies are sponsoring you directly, NordVPN, CuriosityStream, or whatever.

I dunno, feels like Youtube used to be a place where people simply posted videos of shit they loved doing/talking about, whether it's playing a video game, showing off your fish tank, or showing you how to mud and tape drywall, now everyone it seems is a "content creator" and they're doing it to get paid/views/subs. Now I get that some of these videos definitely are a lot of work to do outside of the shooting, but seems like I miss the good ol' days of the internet.
Google enabling "content creator" to be a viable career path was a mistake.
 
I can't stand this adblocker nonsense.
I allow ads on this site, that is pretty much it. And I forgot to unblock them here sometimes, sorry.
Now you click on an article, get the adblock block, I pause it on the site I want to see and then I get a huge cookie policy pop up and then ads,
then a video unrelated to the article that plays automatically, FFS I just want to know what Kanye said !!!!
 
Either you ruin your own video by muting the audio, or you stand by as you watch someone else cashing in for your work.

All Google would have to do to defuse this complaint would be to escrow the money until the issue is resolved. That would be fair to everyone (well, to people with a legit claim) and probably end bogus copyright claims. They won't even do that, though.
 
Google enabling "content creator" to be a viable career path was a mistake.
When vlogging was done in people's free time it was tolerable, but the fact that some call it their "work" now makes me sick to my stomach. Sitting in your gaming chair talking to your mic every day is not work.

What also makes me sick is their constant begging for likes and subs. I'll press like if I really like a video, but if you beg me to like it just because, then I'm definitely not going to.

There are of course actual youtubers worthy of the title "content creator" whom I respect that are putting out content that requires weeks/months of research / cgi / editing that is actually work. I'm fine with them getting paid for it.
But a guy sitting down in front of a camera in his basement, that is about as close to work as esports is to olympic sports.
 
I have an Amazon Fire tablet and funny enough when I use the Youtube app (from Amazons app store, not Googles) to cast to my TV or BT speaker for music, it never plays a single ad. I can let it autoplay all day long and it won't play a single ad the entire time. I'm sure it's a top priority at Amazon to fix that. :LOL:
 
All Google would have to do to defuse this complaint would be to escrow the money until the issue is resolved. That would be fair to everyone (well, to people with a legit claim) and probably end bogus copyright claims. They won't even do that, though.
I think what would be fair is if the copyrighted music only lasts for 30seconds in a 5 minute video, then they should only get 10% of revenue from that video. I'd be fine with that. When you're filming at an outdoors or sports event it is inevitable that copyrighted music will be played by someone somewhere even if just for a few seconds. But it is not the reason why people would want to watch your video, you're not making money off of the music.
 
You all know there is YouTube Premium. It is $12/month and the ads are removed (and, yes, I am subscribed). Seems fair to compensate a company for their service.

They still make millions from non-subs. Good for Google, but bad for regular or heavy users once ad blocking is banned. This was inevitable.
 
So was watching a stream the other day, not on youtube, and right in the middle of the screen pops up an add. Pain in the ass because I was doing it old school via my laptop hdmi to TV, but whatever, there's an X in the corner I click, and the box still stays there telling me Google has closed the ad, now can you please tell us why? Like seriously fuck you, I closed it because I didn't want an ad in the middle of my video, I don't give a shit if the ad was actually relevant to my tastes, or if the ad was the antithesis to my tastes, you put a fucking ad in the middle of the streaming of a live event and then it fucking stayed there waiting for me to tell Google why I closed it? The whole ad thing really just gets out of control, it's like ads that used to be banners, not a problem when it was a non-seizure inducing ad, then they put ads in the middle of what you're scrolling through, on pillars on the side, ads that follow with you as you scroll down, 70% of the information downloaded from the page you're on is an fucking ad. That is the reason for ad blocker, pop up an ad when I watch an old episode of This Old House? Sure no problem I'll watch your ad. Put up an ad every time I click a 3 minute video because the "content creator" deemed that they wanted ads so they can more money... very often just regurgitating the "content" that is elsewhere but it just happened to be the most convenient one I clicked? Yeah fuck you every time, ad block stays. What to set yourself better than TV? Then be better than TV, people love zipping through commercials with a DVR to the point where TV companies tried to sue for that.. and they lost.
 
but I'm working on migrating everything that relies on that to my Comcast e-mail

Just an FYI, Comcast's email spam filters are rather silly if you use an email client and not the website login. I've had it spam ads from Amazon, ebay etc. that don't get delievered while it lets through actual phishing type emails.
 
Just an FYI, Comcast's email spam filters are rather silly if you use an email client and not the website login. I've had it spam ads from Amazon, ebay etc. that don't get delievered while it lets through actual phishing type emails.
Can't say I've ever had that issue. I've only ever received things I opt-in to and never not received a communication I was expecting.
 
It's worth a single pint of beer a month for me to avoid ads on a dozen different devices.

But I also use google home in almost every room of my house and have tvs with Chromecast support in most rooms of my house as well. I watch dozens of hours of youtube most weeks, so it's definitely worth it.

But, that's me.

The problem is the number of streaming services are adding up faster than game loaders on your PC. I read the other week that if you subscribe to each and every streaming service, at the end of the month you're handing over in excess of $100.00/month for what is mostly pretty ordinary content and the price just keeps creeping up.

Google aren't going to go bust over adblockers and I'm not a commodity to US capitalism.
 
Is that during work or 20-30 hours of non working, personal time?
Personal time, my job doesn't allow me to do anything with any screen that isn't my PoS system. (Point of Sales, although Piece of Shit also applies.)
I like my curated YouTube feed, it's a lot of constant information about my hobbies without a lot of the bullshit that TV had. Niche is where youtube excels, my hobbies are diverse and I've learned a ton from YouTube over the years.
My current feed is some frankenstein combination of hardware, gaming, aquarium, liquor/mixology and diy gardening.
 
Sitting in your gaming chair talking to your mic every day is not work.

Explain how being a vlogger meaningfully differs from, say, Paul Harvey's or Andy Rooney's job.

Edit: I'm not really trying to be adversarial here, but if me and a million other people like watching some guy play Minecraft, well, who's being hurt? Nobody's, for example, forcing anyone to give him $3/mo on Patreon.
 
You must have not been a FF user for more than a year or two because Mozilla already told you that you cannot use any plugin you want in any situation they want. They've been increasingly alienating their user base (which I had been a part of since the beginning) for years, which all came to a head in FF 57. For years they had been touting themselves as the most customizable browser, yet in 2015 started down the road to WebExtensions "to be more compatible with chrome" and killed off access to internal APIs completely in 2017. This killed off a huge proportion of existing extensions that could never return, some of which had become increasingly important like Classic Theme Restorer to neuter their crappy Australis UI.

Mozilla at this point are just whiny manchildren who complain about Google being unfair as a reason to why they're not competitive in the browser market, while simultaneously giving the middle finger to their own ever shrinking user base that has been trying desperately to get them to implement changes that would do the opposite.
Same here. Ran ffx 54? which was the last true Firefox for as long as possible. Went vivaldi and never looked back. Fuck em. I don't like being told what extensions I'm not allowed to run. Some great extensions died.. Blank your monitor, downthemall, etc etc
 
Same here. Ran ffx 54? which was the last true Firefox for as long as possible. Went vivaldi and never looked back. Fuck em. I don't like being told what extensions I'm not allowed to run. Some great extensions died.. Blank your monitor, downthemall, etc etc

The extension apocalypse was just one of the reasons I dropped them like the cancer they now are.

Up until FF 56, Firefox was still a monolithic program. The browser itself, all extensions and all tabs ran in a single process. So if Firefox has a problem, or an extension had a problem or one of the many tabs you have open has a problem, that single failure takes down everything. Chrome has been threaded forever, every tab and every plugin instance has its own thread which reports back to a master thread. If something breaks, you close the offending page and reload it. Firefox on the other hand would usually lock up and require being killed from the task manager.

Another was memory leaks, christ the memory leaks. Starting from the FF20-30 branches, memory leaks started becoming a problem, and were a horrific issue by the time 56 rolled around. You could leave a single tab open to a static page overnight and FF would start off around 50-60 MB of memory usage. The next day, it could be in the 1, 2, 3 and sometimes 4 GB range all on the same page. Multiple pages? FF will eat every last bit of system memory available and you'll have to kill it from the task manager, because it'll turn into a zombie process if you close it manually and keep eating gigabytes of memory.

I've tried a few FF versions in the 60 range and the only thing I see different is it spawns just three threads, one for the program itself, one for all loaded pages and one for extensions. This is no better than before, a misbehaving page or extension can still take down the entire browser. The UI is ugly as hell and there's no way to change it because Mozilla killed off internal API access.

Mozilla has essentially pulled a Gnome and fractured what was left of their community into different camps trying to retain features they want. Problem with them is that many sites break on those browsers because if you throw an unidentified browser string at many websites, it makes them barf and think you're running something outdated and makes it hard to navigate.
 
Explain how being a vlogger meaningfully differs from, say, Paul Harvey's or Andy Rooney's job.
I don't know who any of those are, so perhaps they are just as useless (to the greater society) as vloggers playing the strings of confirmation bias in their basement.

Edit: I'm not really trying to be adversarial here, but if me and a million other people like watching some guy play Minecraft, well, who's being hurt? Nobody's, for example, forcing anyone to give him $3/mo on Patreon.
Directly of course nobody is hurt. But if society rewards basement dwellers and esports more than say cancer research. That affects the career choices of many, meaning we can end up with a society where everyone is useless and there are barely any actual doctors, scientists and engineers left, because vlogging was a better career choice.
 
The problem is the number of streaming services are adding up faster than game loaders on your PC. I read the other week that if you subscribe to each and every streaming service, at the end of the month you're handing over in excess of $100.00/month for what is mostly pretty ordinary content and the price just keeps creeping up.

Google aren't going to go bust over adblockers and I'm not a commodity to US capitalism.
I've been preaching this for ages. But nobody listened. And now the market is so fragmented that if you want to watch all your favorite shows you have to subscribe to half a dozen services, each with its own issues and separate player/app/drm.
And I end up paying for neither of them. I think that's what you call falling between two stools. They wanted moar money so they started more and more individual streaming services, and they end up with less because less and less people are up for paying for yet another.

This phenomenon first started with a few youtubers that went off and started their paid subscription service, and in the process they both ruined their youtube channel and lost the bulk of their audience to greed.
Remember THE DRIVE? Yeah, I don't either, because I stopped following them when they started their "premium subscription service". Before that their videos got on average around 500K views each. Some hitting 4-5 million. Now they still exist, but barely hit 50K views on their videos, except some clickbaity ones.
 
I've been preaching this for ages. But nobody listened. And now the market is so fragmented that if you want to watch all your favorite shows you have to subscribe to half a dozen services, each with its own issues and separate player/app/drm.
And I end up paying for neither of them. I think that's what you call falling between two stools. They wanted moar money so they started more and more individual streaming services, and they end up with less because less and less people are up for paying for yet another.

This phenomenon first started with a few youtubers that went off and started their paid subscription service, and in the process they both ruined their youtube channel and lost the bulk of their audience to greed.
Remember THE DRIVE? Yeah, I don't either, because I stopped following them when they started their "premium subscription service". Before that their videos got on average around 500K views each. Some hitting 4-5 million. Now they still exist, but barely hit 50K views on their videos, except some clickbaity ones.

I listened and I agree 100%. It's capitalism out of control.

It's become too expensive to simply 'live' let alone pay for half a dozen streaming services that offer mostly ordinary content just to watch half a dozen TV series. Hence the reason we're headed for another GFC.
 
This is the sad future. Get use to it unfortunately.
 

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Same here. Ran ffx 54? which was the last true Firefox for as long as possible. Went vivaldi and never looked back. Fuck em. I don't like being told what extensions I'm not allowed to run. Some great extensions died.. Blank your monitor, downthemall, etc etc
Sad because you can't DL downthemall anymore and I don't see a valid replacement for them for Palemoon.
 
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