Diablo IV Announced

Gavv said:
you haven’t been paying attention lately have you?

how many other companies put time into a 7 year old game? Stagnate and dead? Only to people who can’t play, hate Blizzard for not being on their person timeline, or not making easier than it already is.

you might actually want to look into it again.
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How many expansions has Blizzard put out for D3. Their original road map called for one a year for 5 years? They released 1, then they released the necromancer class. Then what? Minor itemization tweaks every few months and they call it a season? They chose to cease any meaningful production on D3 when they realized their store was a flop and the revenue from their cut was non existent.
 
erek said:
lame, if it's not FP then i'm certainly out in terms of purchasing it
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I was kind of hoping it could be something ala Destiny 2. But sticking with the isometric style that is tried and true for all the big dungeon crawlers is ok with me.


Lakados said:
How many expansions has Blizzard put out for D3. Their original road map called for one a year for 5 years? They released 1, then they released the necromancer class. Then what? Minor itemization tweaks every few months and they call it a season? They chose to cease any meaningful production on D3 when they realized their store was a flop and the revenue from their cut was non existent.
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This was Activision's fault. At any rate, it's a 7 year old game that still gets regular content and gameplay/bug updates. The game feels great where it is at right now, and is a complete joy to play for ten minutes or ten hours.

There is a lot of hate for the game, and it seems to be only from folks who haven't touched it since 2012. It is NOT the same game.
 
I just watched the gameplay. Well... not much to say except it looks like a 5 year old game now instead of a 10 year old game. The real issue is if Blizz listened to their customers and fixed the core issues with D3, and I have my doubts. Just like how 6 months ago, D4 would not be out any time soon which is the same response for years. All of the sudden its ready? Ya, ok Blizz. :rolleyes:
 
thesmokingman said:
I just watched the gameplay. Well... not much to say except it looks like a 5 year old game now instead of a 10 year old game. The real issue is if Blizz listened to their customers and fixed the core issues with D3, and I have my doubts. Just like how 6 months ago, D4 would not be out any time soon which is the same response for years. All of the sudden its ready? Ya, ok Blizz. :rolleyes:
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I didn’t see any dates. Hell, the first google result said maybe not even 2020. Did you see different?

D4 looks like a lot more fun than D3 imo.
 
Dayaks said:
I didn’t see any dates. Hell, the first google result said maybe not even 2020. Did you see different?

D4 looks like a lot more fun than D3 imo.
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They never committed to any dates, just always gave the impression of don't even bother asking lol. Then suddenly they get hammered for bending ass backwards for China, voila.

On the video, the details and visuals are better but it is no where near current levels imo. I dunno if its any funner as D3 is not very fun. The paragon, RNG jesus crap, and so on and so on.
 
thesmokingman said:
They never committed to any dates, just always gave the impression of don't even bother asking lol. Then suddenly they get hammered for bending ass backwards for China, voila.

On the video, the details and visuals are better but it is no where near current levels imo. I dunno if its any funner as D3 is not very fun. The paragon, RNG jesus crap, and so on and so on.
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the diablo games have always been about RNG.

yes they suck at times but it’s not all bad either.

there’s certainly arguments to be made about if they listened to the players but the other side of the coin the exact opposite arguments can be made. We also know at some point in time they may have been directed to not make changes etc. that’s business. Pretty small complaint really. Appease one segment may alienate others etc. no money to do real work. That’s more on bad company management.

right now I like some of the things they are showcasing for D4. I expect graphics will change and gameplay. I doubt core RNG changes though. That’s been a staple of Diablo.

I am looking forward to 4. I don’t want another 3 although I like it and I don’t want a 2 or original.

I am sure we will see the same plethora of complaints regardless of version number
 
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motomonkey said:
Storyline? in a top down action rpg? is that even a thing?
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As I have already said, D1 and D2 didn't have much of a story but it was FAR better than D3.

But let me as you this: why not have a good story in an action RPG?
 
I've enjoyed every Diablo so far, with the acknowledgement each was a different thing. I'm looking forward to this.

I have to admit a little weakness for D1. It was when I first made some real friends online, and in that game - you really wanted to be with people you trusted. You die, your stuff falls all over the floor. I played a lot and eventually cultivated friendships with 2 people I saw a lot. After a while, we just made the same game every evening, same pw. We'd see each other pop in as we got off work. I remember many times fighting to get back to a buddies hard-earned gear. (Later had this same thing in a far more llife-destroying way with EQ).

I am pretty lenient with story in action based games. Diablo had a neat backdrop, and beyond that - I don't require much. Demons = bad. Good enough for me, it's on. To be clear, I do like a good story, but that's not why I play actiony games.
 
alxlwson said:
I was kind of hoping it could be something ala Destiny 2. But sticking with the isometric style that is tried and true for all the big dungeon crawlers is ok with me.
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No, not for all. Some real classics were first person view.
 
alxlwson said:
I was kind of hoping it could be something ala Destiny 2. But sticking with the isometric style that is tried and true for all the big dungeon crawlers is ok with me.
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Me too actually. I'm aware that exponentially more people would have raged if they had broken from ISO and gone FPS, but its just hard to get excited about a fourth installment of the same basic click-click-clicking on endless mobs that we've been doing since 1997. I know its like comfort food for a lot of people.
 
odditory said:
Me too actually. I'm aware that exponentially more people would have raged if they had broken from ISO and gone FPS, but its just hard to get excited about a fourth installment of the same basic click-click-clicking on endless mobs that we've been doing since 1997. I know its like comfort food for a lot of people.
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Bangers and Mash Baby!

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I just watched some streamer play for a bit. He liked to say "bro, brah" wayyyyyyy too much. Like he was a stoned 16yo. Extremely annoying.
Anyway, looks like shit. I'm extremely disappointed. Either they just started working on this game, or they've lost their damned minds, completely. Just about everything looked like reused D3 assets, and the SoJ fan-service was complete BS.

I have this feeling that all they have is a really nice cinematic, and that's it. What I can't figure out is what the hell they've been doing since '14.

I'm very disappointed :/
 
Well see how this goes I can see how Activision sidelined a lot of Blizzards projects and we can see what they will do going forward. I hold out hope for it and Blizz I give D3 a lot of shit but only because I wanted to like it way more than I did and I wanted more expansions they could have gone to a lot of places but instead we just got plot holes....
So fingers crossed for D4’s I already know I will probably be pre ordering it as I have all the others and I can’t break the streak...
 
"There's a large, seamless, connected, and shared space in the world, going down into dungeons, being able to group with your friends, trading and PvP. We feel that the best way to experience that is in a world that is online,"
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No.
 
Some people stop going out for breakfast if their fav Diner shuts down....
 
meh. I'll watch the cinematics when they release. Story looks neat I guess. POE has spoiled me in the ARPG department.
 
Aix. said:
It's pretty weird that they didn't advance the series into a FPS battle royale. Imagine how many fans of the original three isometric ARPG games won't buy it now that it's been revealed as yet another isometric ARPG.
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Agreed
 
Fix Me said:
It'll probably be a live service shitfest. Time will tell.
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The demo included a shared online world, complete with a timed event (boss) similar to how the timed events work in Guild Wars 2. About a dozen players wailed away on the boss for like 5 minutes.

It's so early that most of the design is likely just placeholder stuff so that they could have something playable at Blizzcon, but online only is guaranteed at least on PC.
 
Krenum said:
It would have been good if Deckard Cain would have been Belial. That would have been epic! But no, instead, he's killed off by a no name mini boss with butterfly wings. Don't kid yourself, Diablo 3 was a garbage fire. Although I did find the notes about Inarious and Lilith in the expansion to be good.
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Entirely agree. I had forgotten about the "butterfly" boss, thinking about her and the role she had in the story immediately makes me frustrated again. There were many opportunities for a good story, but they kept ruining it with bad plottwists and cheesy dialogue. One of the things that irritated me was in the last arc where Diablo kept talking to you throughout the levels and would never shut up. Took away all the intimidation that surrounded him.

Reaper of Souls was, from what I remember, definitely an improvement; not perfect but I liked the darker feel.


The trailer for Diablo 4 looks amazing, but I'm not excited yet for the game. The final version of Diablo 3 looked different from what was revealed early on, but I honestly do hope D4 will be good.
 
Gavv said:
you haven’t been paying attention lately have you?

how many other companies put time into a 7 year old game? Stagnate and dead? Only to people who can’t play, hate Blizzard for not being on their person timeline, or not making easier than it already is.

you might actually want to look into it again.
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Tried to play it, too much hacked stuff. Game was ruined before i even knew how to play it :(
 
Youn said:
No offline mode = no buy from me
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Okay? This game was never for you then. If you're playing any Diablo game for story then it's complete-able in under 5 hours. Likely under 2.
The game is about loot and competition. If you're not interested in either of those things then for sure pass this game up. Not everything is for everyone. But complaining about no offline mode in this is like complaining about no offline mode in Ragnarok Online or any similar online ARPG.


Verge said:
Tried to play it, too much hacked stuff. Game was ruined before i even knew how to play it :(
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I tried to search for context on this just to clarify. But if you're referring to D3, there is no hacked anything in that game. Which is one of the advantages of being online all the time with zero locally stored save. I think that has honestly been one of the saving graces of Diablo's only online modes. I wouldn't mind there being an offline mode for those that want it (despite me thinking it's pointless) so long as "offline" characters have no ability to ever be "online" characters making it so there is no direct vector to getting hacked items in the game.
 
UnknownSouljer said:
Okay? This game was never for you then. If you're playing any Diablo game for story then it's complete-able in under 5 hours. Likely under 2.
The game is about loot and competition. If you're not interested in either of those things then for sure pass this game up. Not everything is for everyone. But complaining about no offline mode in this is like complaining about no offline mode in Ragnarok Online or any similar online ARPG.




I tried to search for context on this just to clarify. But if you're referring to D3, there is no hacked anything in that game. Which is one of the advantages of being online all the time with zero locally stored save. I think that has honestly been one of the saving graces of Diablo's only online modes. I wouldn't mind there being an offline mode for those that want it (despite me thinking it's pointless) so long as "offline" characters have no ability to ever be "online" characters making it so there is no direct vector to getting hacked items in the game.
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As soon as I was able to use the multiplayer stuff, some dude said my gear was crap and offered me some upgrades. Got some dagger with a few million dps and had no idea what it meant. After solo-ing greater rifts up to 20 or 30... i quickly realized something was wrong.

So essentially the game was ruined before i ever go to play it. What a waste.
 
Verge said:
As soon as I was able to use the multiplayer stuff, some dude said my gear was crap and offered me some upgrades. Got some dagger with a few million dps and had no idea what it meant. After solo-ing greater rifts up to 20 or 30... i quickly realized something was wrong.

So essentially the game was ruined before i ever go to play it. What a waste.
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What game are you talking about? That's not possible in D3. There is no trading system and in addition to that drops are all account bound (with the exception of items dropped in the same game as people you're playing with). Feel free to screen cap.
Also GR 20/30 is low. Even when GR first came out and you had to get GR stones specific for that level, 30 was still low.
 
UnknownSouljer said:
What game are you talking about? That's not possible in D3. There is no trading system and in addition to that drops are all account bound (with the exception of items dropped in the same game as people you're playing with). Feel free to screen cap.
Also GR 20/30 is low. Even when GR first came out and you had to get GR stones specific for that level, 30 was still low.
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Diablo III on playstation 3, i'm not retarded, i played the game dude lol. There was more hacked items floating around, the whole thing was garbage.

Quick youtube shows others... like how have you not heard of this?

 
Verge said:
Diablo III on playstation 3, i'm not retarded, i played the game dude lol. There was more hacked items floating around, the whole thing was garbage.

Quick youtube shows others... like how have you not heard of this?

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Oh. Referring exclusively to PC on my end. Yeah, those problems are endemic to consoles because of the locally stored files. That’s the price you pay for versions allowing offline play. I don't pay attention to anything happening on console versions.
 
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UnknownSouljer said:
Oh. Referring exclusively to PC on my end. Yeah, those problems are endemic to consoles because of the locally stored files. That’s the price you pay for versions allowing offline play. I don't pay attention to anything happening on console versions.
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Hard to remember, but i think i was on ps4, and they had solved the creation of new stuff, but people had somehow imported their old hacked ps3 stuff... either way it was garbage. I would assume they've fixed it by now
 
Westwood Arrakis said:
meh. I'll watch the cinematics when they release. Story looks neat I guess. POE has spoiled me in the ARPG department.
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I enjoyed PoE when they launched it way back in the day. Can't get into it now that they've changed the camera FOV.
 
Well lets see if they can get away from the sins of the father...

Online only? Yeah this is not going away. While people can argue this is to combat piracy, and it does a fantastic job of that, this was simply to keep everything "in house" how dare anyone else potentially make ANY money off our game by selling digital goods where we get no cut... enter the auction house for real money. Then comes the idea of tournaments where sponsors galore, money rolling in, esports! Oh wait we want to get all that money in our pocket too. And this ultimately is what lead the crusade for always online requirement which for a company (and game) as big as this the server cost are worth the investment because the back end is going to print money out for Activzard. It had very little to do with piracy, it had very little to do with online connectivity of multiplayer, it had NOTHING to do with cheating in multiplayer, it has everything to do with making sure you can control (and profit) every aspect of this game away from 3rd parties

Now is this necessarily a bad thing? No. They want to make money off their creation, and don't want others to, I get that. However internet connections do falter, which means you crash out of your game, it's not going to happen all the time, but there's a very good chance it will happen period. To anyone who says "well get a better ISP" please let me direct you to the line with the "Get kicked in the crotch machine, now with spikey toes" . Now for me this wasn't a huge deal because I'm not a hardcore player (both literally in game, nor figuratively as a gamer) so it wasn't a huge deal for me but I can very easily see this being an issue for others. But there are people with much worse connections, and it's not a problem they can simply fix, with the majority of internet stuff it may not be too bad, for instance me typing this out doesn't require a stable internet connection it only requires it to be stable for a moment when I click "POST REPLY", and for those people always-online requirements are definitely a deal breaker. And there definitely have been times when Comcast had service outages "Estimated time to resolution, 8am tomorrow" *looks at clock that says 8pm* and yay! This triple-A game that I paid $60 for literally doesn't work now.

Then there's the server issue itself, how smooth did the game go at launch? Yeah didn't think so, it's a lot like anything that is always online, hell fucking Hearthstone ... an online card game... used to (maybe still does?) get laggy for playing when new content is released, I mean you're slapping cards on a board why the fuck is the game lagging? Again for me this wasn't a huge deal, as I didn't get the game until at least a couple years or so after release (as I'm old and don't have time for shit like this... plus it was $10 in a bin at Walmart), but I will say there were definitely times when I felt like "my computer is having a hard time keeping up" but it wasn't my computer it was the servers, other expansions/updates were coming out at the time. And this is another reason why online always requirements quite frankly suck, I'm fine with a server connection requirement to launch the game each time then let any lagging/tie ups be restricted to my hardware not whether or not thousands of people wall want to play/download/whatever at the same time I happen to want to play.

But for real lets see if they institute the online auction house for real money again, something they admitted was a mistake (probably after the profits started to dwindle and it wasn't worth their time anymore).
 
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