Gamers Nexus response to TPU smear

What I always tried to do was not show any competitive products in frame when we did videos. Not saying it did not ever happen, but we did make an effort to not do that. Of course, a lot of our videos were most often top down tutorials, not editorials or reviews that required a set. But it was something I did think about in the last few years.

An easy fix to this for YouTubers is to be mindful of what is in frame when they shoot. It would be easier for them to dispel the "myth" that paid product placement is happening, by making the argument null and void by not having competing products in frame. Fixed! :)
 
there's no conspiracy theory, this is a case of a bottom tier blogger that desperately wanted his 15 seconds of fame and failed miserably at it without thinking about the consequences of his actions for TPU or for GN or anyone else he was describing.
And yes agreed. TPU screwed the pooch on putting Steve's picture on that article. That was not a good decision unless you were suggesting that is exactly what GN is doing. Bad journalism all around on this point.

That said, I would suggest this absolutely happens in our industry.
 
you seem to be quite fond of the conspiracy theories yourself.. there's no conspiracy theory, this is a case of a bottom tier blogger that desperately wanted his 15 seconds of fame and failed miserably at it without thinking about the consequences of his actions for TPU or for GN or anyone else he was describing.

sure i'm found of pondering.

There does seem to be some truth in this though, especially when people are desperately trying to discard it.
 
well, regardless. in my mind the product speak for itself. dont matter if it is amd or nvidia, intel or not. generally i will pick the better piece for the price, right now that was the 9900k even with less core it is the premier choice for gaming, that's it. we live in a age of "influencers", more like a bad flu... now apparently. i cant say i like it but, i feel it more of a pathetic title. and i generally dont click like or subscribe on anything, and i try to avoid things like facebook +++ today u have to be cynical towards almost everything. as we move towards a totalitarian society where we got no privacy anymore and ppl give it up willingly.
 
sure i'm found of pondering.

There does seem to be some truth in this though, especially when people are desperately trying to discard it.

I'm not seeing anyone being "desperate" about trying to discard it. Whether its websites or Youtubers, people that cover hardware live and die by building trust with their audience. Of course they're going to be mad at shit journalism trying to stir things up based on a random Reddit post.
 
I'm not seeing anyone being "desperate" about trying to discard it. Whether its websites or Youtubers, people that cover hardware live and die by building trust with their audience. Of course they're going to be mad at shit journalism trying to stir things up based on a random Reddit post.

Really? Cause I think it's more that they live and die by what vendors think of them. Review samples, exclusive events, etc.

Whatever, they're already all whores, product placement or not
 
Really? Cause I think it's more that they live and die by what vendors think of them. Review samples, exclusive events, etc.

Whatever, they're already all whores, product placement or not

Still comes back to the audience. No audience = vendors won't bother approaching you.
 
Really? Cause I think it's more that they live and die by what vendors think of them. Review samples, exclusive events, etc.

Whatever, they're already all whores, product placement or not

Every good reviewer has had vendors pissed off at them and refuse samples at one time or another.
 
Still comes back to the audience. No audience = vendors won't bother approaching you.

It's a feedback loop that they've lucked themselves into.

Piss off the viewers or the vendors and they might well be screwed.
 
It's a feedback loop that they've lucked themselves into.

Piss off the viewers or the vendors and they might well be screwed.

Have a solid viewer base and they can get over being blacklisted by vendors. Bend over too much for the vendors and bleed off viewership... it's tough recovering from that rut.
 
It's a feedback loop that they've lucked themselves into.

Piss off the viewers or the vendors and they might well be screwed.

Places like GN and HUB could survive without the vendors. They both end up buying a lot of their own stuff already as is.
 
Places like GN and HUB could survive without the vendors. They both end up buying a lot of their own stuff already as is.

Sure, they'd survive. But having access to do previews or full reviews when embargoes lift is likely part of what has allowed them to successfully grow their audience and be successful in general, don't you think?
 
Sure, they'd survive. But having access to do previews or full reviews when embargoes lift is likely part of what has allowed them to successfully grow their audience and be successful in general, don't you think?

Sure, it helps. But how is that any different from what has always been done?
 
Sure, it helps. But how is that any different from what has always been done?

I guess I'm trying to draw a distinction between 'surviving' and 'thriving'.

They can survive without vendor support -- but they're doing this as a business, with their income tied to said business, then they'd want to be thriving, right?
 
I guess I'm trying to draw a distinction between 'surviving' and 'thriving'.

They can survive without vendor support -- but they're doing this as a business, with their income tied to said business, then they'd want to be thriving, right?
I would suggest this statement is very much hitting the nail on the head.
 
Kyle, I only half joke - but sometime before the memories fully leave - you really should write a book of memoirs and the "Rise and Fall of [H]ard|(ware) journalism - Staying [H]ard when society goes soft" or something dramatic.

The wikipedia summary years later will be "how integrity became unprofitable in an era of idiots" before some editor nominated the entire article for deletion - "not notable" because the book title contains no emoji.

(on a... honest note, some memoirs from you, Steve, and even Asia from the early days would be awesome - but I digress).

The whole TPU GN blowup somehow struck a cord in that - btarunr in his quest scraping reddit for the latest "juicy scoop" to get the clicks from... (readers who can't be bothered about reading comprehension) was naive??? enough that when he used the full frontal pic of Steve in front of channel set - those same bait takers would distinguish that btarunr was "only" using Steve and GN as "a hypothetical example" and not <PICTURE OF THE PERSON DOING BAD BEHAVIOR>

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I'm angry that TPU's "feature editor" feels that he has to run unverified sensational crap to get the clicks (we've been reduced to this?)
And that Steve is TOTALLY CORRECT in that he MUST assume people are too stupid to distinguish.

Again though, like wtf btarunr, you should known. And as Steve notes reading the comment threads on TPU will pretty much destroy your faith in humanity (again).

I dunno, I just have this unfocused anger where I feel like sites like the [H] died because you stood by your integrity and actually did proper due dillegance and proper journalism - didn't sell out (didn't take the golden parachute like you're "supposed too") and ...

this is your reward? Ughhhh.
Stay [H] Kyle.
 
Nvidia is always involved in some sort of shady practices...they're the New England Patriots of the tech world
 
Kyle, I only half joke - but sometime before the memories fully leave - you really should write a book of memoirs and the "Rise and Fall of [H]ard|(ware) journalism - Staying [H]ard when society goes soft" or something dramatic.

The wikipedia summary years later will be "how integrity became unprofitable in an era of idiots" before some editor nominated the entire article for deletion - "not notable" because the book title contains no emoji.

(on a... honest note, some memoirs from you, Steve, and even Asia from the early days would be awesome - but I digress).

The whole TPU GN blowup somehow struck a cord in that - btarunr in his quest scraping reddit for the latest "juicy scoop" to get the clicks from... (readers who can't be bothered about reading comprehension) was naive??? enough that when he used the full frontal pic of Steve in front of channel set - those same bait takers would distinguish that btarunr was "only" using Steve and GN as "a hypothetical example" and not <PICTURE OF THE PERSON DOING BAD BEHAVIOR>

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I'm angry that TPU's "feature editor" feels that he has to run unverified sensational crap to get the clicks (we've been reduced to this?)
And that Steve is TOTALLY CORRECT in that he MUST assume people are too stupid to distinguish.

Again though, like wtf btarunr, you should known. And as Steve notes reading the comment threads on TPU will pretty much destroy your faith in humanity (again).

I dunno, I just have this unfocused anger where I feel like sites like the [H] died because you stood by your integrity and actually did proper due dillegance and proper journalism - didn't sell out (didn't take the golden parachute like you're "supposed too") and ...

this is your reward? Ughhhh.
Stay [H] Kyle.
I knew reporting the truth on NVIDIA GPP was the nail in the coffin for HardOCP months before it was published. I told my family and friends exactly that.

TPU fucked up with that story and picture. I would have fired the person that wrote that the moment I saw it.

I love GamersNexus and what they do. The issue with GN is that it still does not have the knowledge to see the big picture many times. That will come with experience. I think Steve is ture and just, but still a bit inexperienced to be putting forth some of the opinions that he does. And that is OK. I did the same dumb stuff years ago. He will figure it out. He has a good heart that has the consumer in mind. Still a lot of immaturity there however, but that should be expected. I am glad to see someone take up the mantle for the guys spending their hard earned dollars on computer hardware. I do not always agree with GN, but I appreciate how it is reviewing individual products, but its view of the industry needs some maturity. It is so much more complex than GN understands. It will come with time.
 
It's a bummer Kyle doesn't want to do youtube videos. He's really good at it. Can't speak for the reasons behind it.

As Ice Cube put it: "I started this gangsta shit. And this the motherfuckin thanks I get?"
 
I knew reporting the truth on NVIDIA GPP was the nail in the coffin for HardOCP months before it was published. I told my family and friends exactly that.

TPU fucked up with that story and picture. I would have fired the person that wrote that the moment I saw it.

I love GamersNexus and what they do. The issue with GN is that it still does not have the knowledge to see the big picture many times. That will come with experience. I think Steve is ture and just, but still a bit inexperienced to be putting forth some of the opinions that he does. And that is OK. I did the same dumb stuff years ago. He will figure it out. He has a good heart that has the consumer in mind. Still a lot of immaturity there however, but that should be expected. I am glad to see someone take up the mantle for the guys spending their hard earned dollars on computer hardware. I do not always agree with GN, but I appreciate how it is reviewing individual products, but its view of the industry needs some maturity. It is so much more complex than GN understands. It will come with time.

Can you shed some light on the the two big kernels you dropped there? What does GN not understand? Why did telling the truth push HOCP into closure? I am sure some of the vets know exactly what your talking about, or will say they do, but I would like to know more.
 
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Nvidia is always involved in some sort of shady practices...they're the New England Patriots of the tech world

That's just the business world.

With respect to the 'tech' world, Nvidia's stance made sense until it became apparent that while the GPP was legally sound and likely routine business from their perspective, it was also bad PR as it spurned the vocal community that they leverage as an extension of their marketing -- at least when they have competitive products to sell.

Obviously it should go the other way too, but GPP was an attempt to prevent negative press; this does make sense, as a single influential reviewer's 'opinion' can have a massive follow-on impact in terms of unit sales whether that reviewer's opinion is a fair evaluation or not.

Unfortunately for Nvidia, that's not something that the tech community really tolerates, even as it may be standard procedure in other markets.
 
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