Budget upgrade? 4770K to ryzen 7 2700x?

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Hi all,

Currently running I7 4770K, 1070Ti, and wondering if moving to the AMD 2700x would be a worthwhile upgrade. I do have a vive.

I have priced out the parts on Microcenter and I think I could get there for around $350 for MB, RAM and CPU which seems very reasonable.

Articles I have looked at do seem to point to a decent boost.

What do you guys think? Just wondering if I am missing anything as far as my options.
 
It'll give you a nice boost, both in general applications and definitely in gaming if you do any. I would say if you could swing it, go after the 3700X and if not then the 3600 primarily for the IPC boost it has over Ryzen 2000 series, I think 15% roughly. Either way you can't go wrong.
If you do a lot of workloads that require more threads, and the 3700X is out of the picture, then definately the 2700X, but if you game much, get either the 3600 or 3700X.
 
2700x is faster in most single threaded benchmarks. The real performance gains will be in multi threaded workloads
 
2700x is faster in most single threaded benchmarks. The real performance gains will be in multi threaded workloads

am I right in thinking that most applications and games are multi threaded at this point?
 
am I right in thinking that most applications and games are multi threaded at this point?


as time goes on it appears that most programs will become more multi-threaded . for gaming intel still,usually,has better performance in games,if that's what you play the most. amd is catching up with them. For me amd does a little bit of everything good and that's what i prefer. Intel cpu's like 8700,9900 series are no slouch in anything. When you start using amd's core advantage things really step up. This is just my thoughts
 
You know, I watched a few videos and read some things and really, the 4770K is still a damn good CPU.
I have it paired right now with a 1070TI and for this configuration I think I am right where I should be.

Not to say I wouldn't mind changing some things, I really want an M2 slot, witch my ASUS Z87Plus doesn't have. And honestly it isn't a good motherboard IMHO, I have had a lot of problems with it. However, once problems are taken care of it is stable.

I may just add water cooling and overclock it. But I don't think upgrading is going to make me go "WOW!"

When it comes down to it, when I look at what I do with my rig, I am good I guess.

Thanks for the replies.
 
Have you priced out a 3600/3600x? I'd recommend getting on the 3000 series if it's feasible for you right now.. better performance, less power consumption
 
I've run my 4770k against the Ryzen 2600. There's a very noticeable difference.

Not sure how you could go wrong with OC what you have, or going with a newer AMD box.
 
I have an OC'd 3770k (4.4GHz) and an OCd 2700 (non X) (4 GHz) so the comparison should be fairly similar to a 4770k vs 2700x

There's an appreciable difference in single threaded workloads and a gigantic difference in multi-threaded ones.
 
Well, I dug some more and I think I am going full force.
Looking at 3700X now. I was looking at all these bench marks comparing Intel, Ryzen 2700x/3600 etc and I kept seeing this 3700X blowing everything out of the water.

I don't mind spending the extra money if I know the "bang for the buck" is there and the 3700x just seems like a fucking monster.

Sorry, I do this every time I want to upgrade.
 
We all do it. I personally feel the 3700x is a solid choice too. But it sure is hard not to like the 3600.
 
I have a 4770K @ 4.2, a 2700X and a 3700X and have used a 1070TI in each system.

Between the three, average framerates are imperceptible but the 2700X and the 3700X are 'smoother' in terms of minimum frames (less micro stuttering).

Feel free to ask if you have questions since it's easy for me to compare. See the systems in my sig.

For my use, I wanted something new and a box to run ESXI/VMs but objectively from a gaming point of view, I'm not quite sure it's worth all that cash.
 
I have a 4770K @ 4.2, a 2700X and a 3700X and have used a 1070TI in each system.

Between the three, average framerates are imperceptible but the 2700X and the 3700X are 'smoother' in terms of minimum frames (less micro stuttering).

Feel free to ask if you have questions since it's easy for me to compare. See the systems in my sig.

For my use, I wanted something new and a box to run ESXI/VMs but objectively from a gaming point of view, I'm not quite sure it's worth all that cash.

Thanks man!

I am wondering a bit about post and boot times 4770K vs 3700x via M.2 SSD if you have any thoughts.

apart from that I think the 3700x is going to do just what you indicated, FPS may be limited to 1070Ti's capabilities (because it isn't terribly bottlenecked by the 4770k) but overall performance gains should be good.
I also have VR (OG vive) and I think that will benefit from the upgrade.

This will also give me a better platform when/if I do a GPU upgrade at some point. Hell, may be time to go back to AMD for graphics as well.

I have been Intel/Nvidia for a while due to frustrations with AMD and Radeon but it is a whole new world I guess. May be time to go to team red, take the red pill lol
 
Thinking of this Motherboard. I kind of wanted to go MSI, but I think ASUS is kind of the "devil you know"

ASUS ROG Strix X470-F Gaming
 
The x570 boards seem pricey still. If it's in the budget, that's cool, but besides a few improvements, what would a x570 offer over a solid x470, B450 board?
Find a decent board with solid vrms
 
The x570 boards seem pricey still. If it's in the budget, that's cool, but besides a few improvements, what would a x570 offer over a solid x470, B450 board?
Find a decent board with solid vrms
pcie 4.0, at least.
 
pcie 4.0, at least.
Which offers right now? I don't mean to be obstinate, but I haven't seen benches that make it totally worth the price vs cheaper solutions.

I'm sure pcie 4.0 will be a thing, but not just now.
As I said, there are good x570 boards out there, but if budget conscious, there are some great alternatives
 
Which offers right now? I don't mean to be obstinate, but I haven't seen benches that make it totally worth the price vs cheaper solutions.

I'm sure pcie 4.0 will be a thing, but not just now.
As I said, there are good x570 boards out there, but if budget conscious, there are some great alternatives

I like to get a little future proofing in. my RIVE x79 has pcie 3.0 so thats wasnt a thing but IS NOW. Go figure. Like i said IF its in the budget. With upgrades further between now it makes sense IF you can afford it.
 
I read some reviews and this is the board for me.

Gigabyte X570 Aorus Pro WiFi AM4 ATX AMD

Can't find any ram on the QVL so I am just going to get Gskill 3200 trident or maybe corsair veng pro 2x8 16GB

Also a cheap ass inland NVME for booty and I am looking around $750 total. Not really budget, but mid range with a huge perf boost.

Thanks bros.
 
Which offers right now? I don't mean to be obstinate, but I haven't seen benches that make it totally worth the price vs cheaper solutions.

I'm sure pcie 4.0 will be a thing, but not just now.
As I said, there are good x570 boards out there, but if budget conscious, there are some great alternatives

As of right now, just the ability to use a Gen 4 SSD.

The main thing is going to be how long you keep a platform around? I kept my last system around for 7 years. (Z77 + 3770k) and that was a 4 core CPU. I've now moved up to 12 core so this board will likely stick around for at least that long. If you're like me, you're far better off going with x570 because there is a very good chance PCIe 4.0 will be beneficial to you at some point during your ownership. The price difference is inconsequential over the course of 7 years.
 
True, but a lot can happen in the next 7 years, well beyond pcie 4.
Let's give a chance to mature
 
True, but a lot can happen in the next 7 years, well beyond pcie 4.
Let's give a chance to mature

I get that and that’s my point if you keep things around for 7 years it doesn’t matter what comes out in 7 years since you’re keeping your crap anyway. So best to get the latest standards that are available at the time. If you upgrade every 2 years you can get a generation old chipset and get the next newest one 2 years later and be all caught up.
 
Thanks man!

I am wondering a bit about post and boot times 4770K vs 3700x via M.2 SSD if you have any thoughts.

apart from that I think the 3700x is going to do just what you indicated, FPS may be limited to 1070Ti's capabilities (because it isn't terribly bottlenecked by the 4770k) but overall performance gains should be good.
I also have VR (OG vive) and I think that will benefit from the upgrade.

This will also give me a better platform when/if I do a GPU upgrade at some point. Hell, may be time to go back to AMD for graphics as well.

I have been Intel/Nvidia for a while due to frustrations with AMD and Radeon but it is a whole new world I guess. May be time to go to team red, take the red pill lol

Post times (which obviously influence boot times) are longer on the AMD ASUS setups. Just FYI, what takes long is for the BIOS splash screen to come out. The actual time from after POST to the OS screen is not significantly longer/shorter.

OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD:
4770K Power on to desktop - 25-30 seconds
3700X Power on to desktop - ~40-50+ seconds

M.2 vs SATA SSD speed hardly makes a difference in boot. Was using an 850 Pro for the 4770K and a 970 Evo for the 2700X/3700X.

I was able to get the 2700X + CH7 to within a 10-15 second difference of the 4770K + Z87 (down from a 30 second difference) with a new BIOS and by turning off some UEFI/Legacy boot options in the BIOS, but the 3700X + CH7 takes a while longer. The 3700X machine takes the longest to POST. The Gigabyte and the 2600X POSTs pretty quickly though. For pure boot speed, you may have better luck with a Gigabyte board for X570 (I'm only guessing). The ASUS also does a memory training/double boot while the Gigabyte doesn't.

Average FPS is indeed limited by the 1070TI, but I notice that I get less framedrops in games like division 2. I Split second stuttering is reduced on the 3700X vs the 4770K. Average framerate is also higher in Starcraft 2, which is very single thread dependent. Not sure if it's the faster RAM or the CPU. Maybe it's both.

Can't find any ram on the QVL so I am just going to get Gskill 3200 trident or maybe corsair veng pro 2x8 16GB

RAM compatibility has come a long way. I'm running 4 sticks of 16GB 3200C16 with the CH7. When I started, I needed a little extra voltage to keep it at 3200MT. Now, I don't need the extra voltage and can run it at 3333MT C16. I'm sure the X570s will do better.

Get the cheapest 3200 C16 or the cheapest 3600 C18 you can find unless you have a lot of cash to blow. I have Vengeance LPX sticks myself.
 
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Just got home from the build shopping...
About $850....which is maybe a couple hundred more than I wanted to spend, but that is just a fucked up game I play with my mind, lol. I underestimate a bit then add shit and in the end it is all about a good build that feels and performs optimally. This is a hobby and I love it. I think this is a solid build that will last me for several years.

I decided at the last minute that I HAD TO HAVE the x570 because I HAD TO HAVE the NVMe 4.0 M.2 SSD. This added maybe 250 to the build I was planning, but I end up with a more future-proof build, and if all goes well boot times that will split my eyeballs open.

I chose the Gigabyte based on its reputation and features. I have run Asus MBs for a long time and I always feel like they have one or two issues or problems that really suck the wind out of the build. I like the neutral look of the x570 pro wifi and the feature set is rock solid. Here's hoping. I have done builds for other people with Gigabyte and they seem really great.

I also picked up the typical Microcenter impulse storage buy. Fuck me....a 240GB Ssd for a mere $27. I know I have a smaller SSD I will swap out with this just for a few choice games or something and give the lesser drive to my daughter for her rig. I always feel like I have to buy something cheap that I don't really need if I go to MC.

Then at the register a 32GB USB 3.0 thumbdrive $4....Four bucks for 32GB USB 3. I had to grab one.

Went with Trident Z ram, not on the qvl but I am going to see how it goes. Looks way cooler in person and from what I understand is supposed to be better than Corsair Veng. Finding qvl approved ram on the shelf is a pain in the ass. But I never follow the qvl anyway and never have a problem. So we will see.

So excited but too late to build. I can't wait it is going to be one bad ass rgb cluster fudge.

As always thank you and fuck you to Microcenter. Walking into that place is like nothing else...I don't want to leave and I start sweating and babbling to people. And somehow I leave feeling like I have been to the mountaintop. Life is good. Thank you Jesus.
 

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Lol, no way man, I am still sniffing the packaging!

I really appreciate all the feedback in this thread. Makes me remember why I hung out here so many years.
 
Sorry to prematurely burst your bubble, but over a SATA SSD you won't notice much.

Thats ok, thank you for replying, I am not too concerned about boot time. Overall speed is the goal.

Thanks so much for your response. I already bought everything before reading it but I still say thanks bro!
 
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I'm running some Oloy no name brand .. 4 sticks of 8GB PC3200 .. and it's running just peachy on my ASRock X470 and not on the QVL list ..you should be good to go
 
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Well, it is mostly built!

Runs fantastic. Very smooth and fast. Still need to do a few things, but too busy playing with it!

I guess, the best compliment I can think of is that this feels like a refined Intel CPU.
No more games, raw power in a cool smooth package.

When I told my son I was going AMD he said, "I don't know you." LOL
I taught him that AMD sucked (when they did, I was an AMD fanboi in the Athlon days)

But I am SO happy with this.

The gigabyte board is great, in person it is neutral and solid looking. I have never seen such an INFLEXIBLE motherboard. Very easy to set up....HOWEVER, I did have a bios issue because I updated to the latest bios and it caused boot problems over M.2 drives. I got over that so no PROBLEMO. On board sound is very good. USB 3 speeds are great, NVMe drive is fast as hell.

Boots off the M2 are great, but like you said, MDA, the post time is still long. But really that doesn't count lol. Still very fast and I keep saying smooth. I don't know why but that is the word. fast and smooth.

The Trident z off-QVL list ram kit runs excellent at 3200 XMP.
And I want to say that the GSkill Trident Z RAM looks fucking amazing in the case, and the shielding on the ram is so sick, you really can't tell looking at pictures, it is solidly built and lit up is fantastic.

The stock AMD wraith cooler looks and runs awesome. quiet, looks perfect and works with RGBFusion. idle temps with stock thermal compound are around. hang on let me check....45 maybe 48.


What else...The Gigabyte Motherboard is really great. Build quality seems so great. Haven't tried the built in WIFI yet but I have ordered an AX router to pair up and will see how that goes.

Oh, RGB, well RGBFusion is kind of limited, the MB is pretty low key RGB, just a couple small zones. I LOVE it though. It seems, tasteful.

ANYWAY....just wanted to report back, thanks for listening!
 
Did almost the same thing.... 4770X, 8GB ram, Gforce 970 to a 3700X, 32GB 3600, 5700XT, Asus Tuff X570. Night and day for me. Idle temps are 32 to 34 on a water loop.
Very happy! Gratz on the upgrade!
 
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