They actually do. The seller confirmed, though they don't know exactly what kind of problem the manufacturer run into. And January 20 2020 looks like a placeholder date to me... Sucks, but good thing is that I can now forget about monitors for at least 3 months. One thing less to worry about.
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Well there s huge thread on reddit saying this monitor is coming out the Oct 19th? Someone is wrong lol
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I can't be the only one here who doesn't give a buffalo butt about OLED and OLED TVs and just wants to buy the best gaming monitor available today, not the one they might make in 2028 using Japanese time travel technology.
Which is really starting to look like this LG monitor.
I don't want 4K, I don't want OLED, I don't want 16:9 or low 60-120Hz refresh rates or anything without Gsync.
I'm a Gsync Tax Payer and I demand my rights.
Which is really starting to look like this LG monitor.
I don't want 4K, I don't want OLED, I don't want 16:9 or low 60-120Hz refresh rates or anything without Gsync.
I'm a Gsync Tax Payer and I demand my rights.
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Except this monitor isn't available today and with all the constant delays it may as well come out in 2028 as well.
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I imagine OLED with 120hz would blow away anything LCD can produce as far as motion / blur goes.
Why not a 120hz 1440p(3440x1440) Gsync 38" Ultrawide OLED ?!
Ultra low response time, deepest blacks you can get!
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It might not be "available" just yet but it does exist and people have used them.
I imagine OLED with 120hz would blow away anything LCD can produce as far as motion / blur goes.
Why not a 120hz 1440p(3440x1440) Gsync 38" Ultrawide OLED ?!
Sorry, no. I'm an OLED skeptic and I'm not interested in OLED anything except maybe a phone. I'm very happy with a fast IPS panel.
I can't be the only one here who's a little fed up with QHD resolution. We've been at this resolution for a solid 13 years now. It's getting a little old.I imagine OLED with 120hz would blow away anything LCD can produce as far as motion / blur goes.
Why not a 120hz 1440p(3440x1440) Gsync 38" Ultrawide OLED ?!
People like to say they can't see the difference for anything above it, but I really can't see how.
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I'm fine with 2560x1440 (32" too) but I understand people want clearer / crisper however I don't want to sacrifice performance that much for it.
I imagine OLED with 120hz would blow away anything LCD can produce as far as motion / blur goes.
Why not a 120hz 1440p(3440x1440) Gsync 38" Ultrawide OLED ?!
Response time is much faster but OLEDs are still sample and hold displays so the blur created by your eyes/brain is still pretty bad.
To be fair, though, we still can't drive contemporary graphics at 120fps at 4k. GPUs haven't kept up.
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Riiiiight, so you would rather play a game at 240p 1000fps instead of 4k 120fps I'm guessing?
No exceptions? Literally any use that’s not gaming is an exception.
Well yeah, but I guess I meant not just 1440p, but anything that’s got the PPI of 27” 1440p.
This 1600p monitor has pretty much the same PPI.
We need to go to 5K+ ultrawides to get a big improvement in PPI if it is to be with a large display size as well. Which means that either Displayport 2.0 or HDMI 2.1 will be needed if we want to combine high refresh rate with it. Since it's also tough to run with current GPUs ideally we could use 1440p resolutions in games with integer scaling and have the sharpness benefits of the higher res on the desktop.
I’ve been meaning to ask you, what’s the highest refresh you can get on the 49” Samsung with 10-bit color and HDR off? I know I’m never going to end up using it, but 10-bit color’s something I’d be unwilling to give up.
100 Hz.
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Well.. he is a skeptic of OLED... the best panel tech that has graced monitors in the last 2 decades
He prefers a fast IPS... You know, he doesn't care about all of the things that IPS does that OLED also does, and better with none of the drawbacks such as IPS glow and poor contrast.
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Yes, that is exactly what I was talking about. This hypothetical, absurd absolute.
Well.. he is a skeptic of OLED... the best panel tech that has graced monitors in the last 2 decades
I'm glad you l ike OLED and I hope you enjoy your OLED TV.
LG and Sony can go do immoral things to each other if they think I want to buy an expensive panel that's going to degrade it's self if I use it the wrong way
"But burn in isn't a real problem you guys!"
Maybe not, but you know what companies do when people don't want to buy their products because of a perceived fake problem?
They make guarantees and warranties to show you how silly you are to worry about that non problem.
Quick, let's check in on the OLED burn in situation:
Oh.....
OHHHHHHHHHHH!
That's the "go f-your self, you jerk who believes in the existence of the totally not a problem burn in issue" warranty.
I mean, they "explicitly say"...
No thanks.
Also, OLED looks weird, but you do you.
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I do find it funny how manufacturer's explicitly say burn-in/retention isn't covered in their warranty, yet I see many comments from people saying it's a complete non-issue. I absolutely think the issue is overblown and there are ways to mitigate its occurrence, but it's very much a real thing and inherent to the technology... otherwise why would they go out of their way to say it's not covered under warranty? I see no mention of evil spirits possessing your monitor, or it sprouting wings and flying away not being covered.
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Yeah, about the same as plasma, yet it was still the better technology in terms contrast and motion
. Just saying, LCD has miles to go in PQ, and pixel response.
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https://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/real-life-oled-burn-in-testI do find it funny how manufacturer's explicitly say burn-in/retention isn't covered in their warranty, yet I see many comments from people saying it's a complete non-issue. I absolutely think the issue is overblown and there are ways to mitigate its occurrence, but it's very much a real thing and inherent to the technology... otherwise why would they go out of their way to say it's not covered under warranty? I see no mention of evil spirits possessing your monitor, or it sprouting wings and flying away not being covered.
Here is a real world test, good read.
FYI I just bought a second hand OLED TV, like on Saturday, I did a fair bit of research as well. I'm not a die hard blind fan, it clearly has better PQ, and the price was good, and even in my daily usage patterns, I shouldn't have any issues with burn in or fade until way past what I would consider the usable life of the TV.
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Yeah, about the same as plasma, yet it was still the better technology in terms contrast and motion
Just saying, LCD has miles away in PQ, and pixel response.
I have one of the last gen Samsung Plasma TVs and despite a lot of abuse at the hands of Nintendo products, I don't see any image retention.
I was originally going to replace it with an OLED but the burn in issues is a hard stop for me. I do think OLED TVs look weird but beyond that, I don't want to worry about it. I don't want to worry if the kids leave the Switch on or if my wife watches Hallmark movies non stop or if I leave Twitch.TV on all day.
Just the potential of an issue gets in my head and will nag and bother me and degrade my quality of life and generally piss me off.
In no universe is that kind of psychological virus worth whatever minor PQ upgrade people think OLED gives. Not to me.
I'm puzzled why you think these would be any better than OLEDs. They had well documented burn-in problems.
The fact of the matter is that OLED is far more resistant to burn-in than Plasma ever was. It takes hundreds of hours in extreme conditions, if not thousands of hours in most cases, to show any indication of burn-in(and even then, it's so faint you have to use single color full screens to detect it). This has been proven by rtings.
Most likely the reason that you haven't had any issues with your plasma is that, in most cases, a few hours doesn't do any damage. FYI I have a Samsung F8500 too, and I've left static images on it for 8 hours, and there's been no IR either. But I wouldn't expect any. OLED wouldn't have any either. It takes long term, consistent abuse to damage an OLED TV it's not something that happens overnight because kids left the Nintendo on.
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Lol, minor upgrade in PQ.
OLED is objectively far superior to LCD tech which at this point is a really old technology. It has had its heyday. LCD is still adequate or even "very good" for most people, but the simple fact is you can only improve on it so much and better tech exists now.
I can understand a little bit of hesitation regarding degradation and burn-in but as even bananadude pointed out, it's WAY overblown and will not be an issue for the vast majority. At least you admitted that it's mostly in your head.
Why someone would feel perfectly safe with plasma tech but not OLED is beyond me. You don't remember the mass hysteria from proponents of LCD TVs about plasmas having burn in and degrading PQ as the phosphors aged? I sure do. And that too was overblown. Our 10 year old plasma is still trucking along and looks great. I predict the same for OLED, I guess it just needs a few more years to prove itself in the eyes of skeptics. I'll be thoroughly enjoying the best PQ I've ever seen in the meantime.
OLED is objectively far superior to LCD tech which at this point is a really old technology. It has had its heyday. LCD is still adequate or even "very good" for most people, but the simple fact is you can only improve on it so much and better tech exists now.
I can understand a little bit of hesitation regarding degradation and burn-in but as even bananadude pointed out, it's WAY overblown and will not be an issue for the vast majority. At least you admitted that it's mostly in your head.
Why someone would feel perfectly safe with plasma tech but not OLED is beyond me. You don't remember the mass hysteria from proponents of LCD TVs about plasmas having burn in and degrading PQ as the phosphors aged? I sure do. And that too was overblown. Our 10 year old plasma is still trucking along and looks great. I predict the same for OLED, I guess it just needs a few more years to prove itself in the eyes of skeptics. I'll be thoroughly enjoying the best PQ I've ever seen in the meantime.
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At no time did I say I "felt perfectly safe" with plasma. I didn't.
I'd like to suggest less mind reading and more post reading because I've already said I would worry about it and if they want to sell me an OLED, they need to give me a burn in warranty and make their TVs not look so weird.
My objections are not about technology, they are about living with technology and I do not want to live with an TV that I have to worry about damaging by using it and then have no recourse.
You have zero skin in the game of my concerns and LG/Sony (or at least "the industry") are saying there is virtually no issue while making sure they have no skin in the game as well.
So until such time as they actually want to back up some claims or support their product, it's a no from me dawg.
You're trying to handle my psychology and lifestyle concerns with vague, unsupported technology comparisons.
That a respected member of [H] tells me it's not a concern is noteworthy, but the fact that the manufacturer will not warrant the panel against this happening tells me all I need to know to make a decision that safeguards my quality of life.
Also, OLED looks weird.
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Fair enough.
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Ah yes the burn in debate once more. Sometimes I can't even tell if I clicked on the right thread about the LG monitor or not.
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I am really interested in this monitor, but I was really interested in the CRG9 too.
I'm glad I didn't get the CRG9, I don't think I'd be happy with a VA panel and while I liked the 34" Alienware I had for a month, I want a bit more real estate for work and I don't want to settle for 100-120Hz
One of the main games I play in NV Surround is slowly dying and I'm playing mostly FPS games these days - my center 27" is good, but a big UW like this would be ideal and would not dominate the desk so much.
I'm not sure I'll ever be happy with just one monitor but I don't know what configuration would make sense with a 38" - I'll probably keep my 21.5" Dell 1080P on the top, but I don't know. There isn't anything I'm aware of that would make a good PLP setup...
I don't care about the burn in debate, I care about product support.
If you tell me "the reports of our TVs catching fire and burning down houses are very overblown"
"cool, so you warrant your TVs against spontaneous combustion?"
"woah! those reports are overblown so obviously we don't need to cover that in our warranty"
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https://www.anandtech.com/show/1480...-china-opens-over-1m-oled-substrates-per-year
I hope we carpet bomb them with tariffs.
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You are correct, you did not say that you felt perfectly safe with plasma. But you did say that despite a lot of abuse, you don't see any IR or burn-in on yours. Plamsa tech was known for developing IR and, if left unchecked, burn-in. Yet it proved to be a non-issue for people such as yourself and I. Why is it so difficult to give OLED that same benefit of the doubt when you have a multitude of people who actually own them (and in my case, use it as a PC monitor) telling you that it's not something to lose sleep over? And to my knowledge, plasma manufacturers didn't warranty against burn-in or phosphor degradation so I'm not sure why you're so hung up on that.
Do you not shoot your firearms? I mean, every time you send a round through the tube you're wearing on the gun and reducing its lifespan. Most gun manufacturers don't warranty barrels and other parts that wear out through use. Of course I already know the answer, but why is that different?
You are absolutely right that I have no skin in the game regarding what you choose to buy and use. Thankfully, the paranoia that you and others have surrounding OLED doesn't affect me at all. And I don't mean any disrespect by saying that. At the end of the day, we all have to buy and use what we're comfortable with. There are lots of cases where people are skeptical of new technology and hang on to the old because it works despite the benefits of the newer tech. You can see this whether it be skepticism towards electric cars because they could leave you stranded, or Li-Ion batteries because they can catch fire and burn your house down, etc.
Yeah, unfortunately it's just going to be a thing in most every thread where OLED is mentioned, at least until most people catch on that the number of people affected by burn-in are few in the grand scheme of things. It was this same exact way when plasma TVs came out. As time went on, you heard about it less and less because people had plasma TVs in their homes for years and they were still fine. I expect the discussion will tamp down similarly with OLED as more people buy them and get real world experience with them. Of course then you'll have that one guy who used his at 100% brightness to consume his MSM propaganda day after day and when the station logo burns in he'll say "SEE! I told you these were prone to issues!"
I don't think I've ever been more confused in my life…
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LCD panels BURN IN inferior picture quality to my retinas!!!!
I am in love with the AW55, however, its causing an erection lasting longer than four hours which is troubling!
I am in love with the AW55, however, its causing an erection lasting longer than four hours which is troubling!
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It's not my job to give a product manufacturer the benefit of my doubt - it's their job to give it to me through some kind of warranty coverage, which they won't do.
Also, I honestly do think they look weird.
I only expected to keep the Plasma TV for 3-4 years, but it ended up being more like 7-8. The fact that it doesn't have visible burn in has zero to do with whether or not I would get burn in on an OLED. They're unrelated, and the people making this comparison are also overlooking the fact that I lived with a display that was (at least ostensibly) vulnerable to burn in so I know what that feels like and it feels bad and I don't want to do it again.
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I love the way my 55B7 looks for TV and movies.
I still don't want to use one for the desktop until burn-in goes from 'lol that doesn't happen to anyone' to 'if it happens the manufacturer will replace the panel'.
If manufacturers are going out of their way to deny support, then I'm not interested in using their products in a way that could leave me high and dry.
I still don't want to use one for the desktop until burn-in goes from 'lol that doesn't happen to anyone' to 'if it happens the manufacturer will replace the panel'.
If manufacturers are going out of their way to deny support, then I'm not interested in using their products in a way that could leave me high and dry.
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They're not going to cover it, not because it's so likely to happen in normal use, but because there are stupid people who will run the sets at 100% brightness and leave their movie paused overnight without having the sense to enable the TV's power off after X inactivity timer. Your car manufacturer is going to cover normal failures up to a certain mileage too, but they're not going to replace your engine if you constantly rev it past the redline.
As for "lol that doesn't happen", I mean it's actual owners of the sets telling you that it's nothing to worry about so long as you're willing to not be an idiot with how you use it. We have actual experience using them, while most of the people scared of the burn-in boogie man don't own them. If you choose to disregard us all, so be it. I have no issues with you guys sticking to your LCDs. I just feel it's beneficial to at least have the discussion and try to educate, even if it falls on deaf ears.
As for "lol that doesn't happen", I mean it's actual owners of the sets telling you that it's nothing to worry about so long as you're willing to not be an idiot with how you use it. We have actual experience using them, while most of the people scared of the burn-in boogie man don't own them. If you choose to disregard us all, so be it. I have no issues with you guys sticking to your LCDs. I just feel it's beneficial to at least have the discussion and try to educate, even if it falls on deaf ears.
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If I can do that with basically any LCD without issue but cannot with an OLED panel, then there's an issue.
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If they didn't look weird, I'd probably own one *IF* it was just me.
but I have a wife and 4 kids and they just don't care or think of it and really, it's all the same to them whether it's an LCD or OLED - so I'd be the one stressing out and the only one that really noticed any benefits.
That is no way to live and it's also why I have a $2500 audio system in my office and a $400 one in the living room. Most people don't really care that much.
but I have a wife and 4 kids and they just don't care or think of it and really, it's all the same to them whether it's an LCD or OLED - so I'd be the one stressing out and the only one that really noticed any benefits.
That is no way to live and it's also why I have a $2500 audio system in my office and a $400 one in the living room. Most people don't really care that much.
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Cool, sounds like it's not for you then. I'll happily exercise a little bit of self control and common sense in order to get much better image quality, but understandably not everyone will. Nothing wrong with that and it's nice to have choices. 'Merica and all.
A Ferrari provides a far superior driving experience to a Camry, but you can't abuse the piss out of it and neglect the maintenance like you might on a Honda and expect it to keep running. Does that mean there's an issue? No, and most owners are more than happy to deal with it in exchange for a killer driving experience.
That's actually a really good point man, and I totally understand. I think you're the first and only person I've seen that says that OLED looks weird, but I can completely sympathize with the wife and kids thing. You could probably have a discussion with your wife and make her understand but I'd worry about the kids jacking the OLED light setting up to max because it makes their game "look good" and then leaving something paused when they decide to go do something else for a few hours.
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Cool, sounds like it's not for you then. I'll happily exercise a little bit of self control and common sense in order to get much better image quality, but understandably not everyone will. Nothing wrong with that and it's nice to have choices. 'Merica and all.
A Ferrari provides a far superior driving experience to a Camry, but you can't abuse the piss out of it and neglect the maintenance like you might on a Honda and expect it to keep running. Does that mean there's an issue? No, and most owners are more than happy to deal with it in exchange for a killer driving experience.
That's actually a really good point man, and I totally understand. I think you're the first and only person I've seen that says that OLED looks weird, but I can completely sympathize with the wife and kids thing. You could probably have a discussion with your wife and make her understand but I'd worry about the kids jacking the OLED light setting up to max because it makes their game "look good" and then leaving something paused when they decide to go do something else for a few hours.
I said that it looks weird in about half a dozen posts (and it does look weird to me, but I could get used to it) and I just thought it was funny that everyone wants to argue all the technology but nobody will ask about my subjective assessment that it looks weird.
I just took it as silent concession.
I would characterize the weirdness as similar to the soap opera effect - not quite the same, but still weird to me.
I don't think OLED looks weird at all but I've learned long ago not to argue with people over their subjective assessments of image quality. Personally I think OLEDs look the best out of all display technologies I've ever used(CRT, Plasma, rear projection, various flavors of projectors, all flavors of LCD/LED-LCD).