The End of Blu-ray

Lakados said:
There are still a lot of providers selling 4K Blu-Ray players, I hope the PS5 gets 4K support a little sad the PS4 Pro didn't, if it had I would have likely purchased one.
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They're not expensive or even hard to find -- harder to find is a player that supports the latest HDR and audio codecs, but even then, you're still under US$200.

And it's worth it. Seen the Alien and Aliens remasters on 4k HDR? Jurassic Park? Damn.
 
IdiotInCharge said:
Because I've been looking at action cameras for a variety of uses, I'd like to ask: by 'uncompressed', do you mean as originally recorded by the camera?

I ask because I was under the impression that you cannot get RAW video on a GoPro. Thanks!
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Correct. I guess I mean uncompressed. Even at 1080 60, those files are huge! The newer 4k60 files must be massive.
 
Darth Ender said:
the arguments about quality of hardcopy vs streaming is a dead one. You already lost. The vast majority of people are totally fine with re-encodes and post-processing trickery to get their movies and audio. You would have to be in some kind of reality distortion bubble to think that anyone outside of an impossibly too-small-to-care-about minority is not happy with the quality that they can get with "uhd" streaming. In a world where people are paying hundreds of dollars on bluetooth earphones to listen to their streaming music (so that's audio that's been lossy encoded at least 2 times - probably more) - in such a world, where do you think it makes any sense for companies to cater to you as a market?

Hardcopies do not provide recurring revenue.
Hardcopies do not allow the distributor control over how many times you view it or how long you can view it for.
Hardcopies provide a means for creating high quality copies which they dont get money for
Hardcopies do not provide telemetry metrics
Hardcopies are expensive to produce and distribute (cost money to transport, protect from theft, stock, and market)
Hardcopies require specialized playback devices that tend to be large relative to alternative options and not ever usually bundled in a tv set.
Hardcopies require the content to be ripped (legal grey area to illegal depending on locality) in order to play on devices without access to the actual playback device.


It's in companies best interest to get rid of hardcopies because on absolutely every level they make more money from digital copies with far less investment

It's in the consumer's best interest to get rid of h ardcopies because most people do not re-watch the same content all the time and so owning copies doesn't make sense and ripping and encoding hardcopies puts them in a legal grey area even if they had the technical skills to do it (which most do not) in order to playback the media on devices other than their main tv, like mobile devices.

Just give up the argument. Nobody cares how much more quality a blue ray has over streaming. The public has spoken that it's good enough. Just like how the public is fine with listening to double+ reencoded music instead of direct flac streams. This war has only 1 outcome.

Those of us who see what will be lost have been defeated.
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Avengers End Game as of the beginning of September only sold 2.5 million Blu Rays (about 1/4 comes from 4k sales) for a measely 57 million dollars.
Comparing first week sales of both mediums gives us the following:

File purchase was 335,400 units (I can't find a gross, but I assume units cost less than the price of a blu ray or 4K blu ray)
Blu Ray (including 4k) was 2,235,086 units (about 50 million) for the same period.

As for streaming, it's irrelevant to the argument. Streaming is just internet cable. If you're happy with that, then fine. Clearly millions are not and I can promise you studios aren't looking to give up what could be 10% of the domestic gross just because Darth Ender doesn't want a disk.

Seriously man, if you were correct, they never would have done DVDs. They'd have just stuck with Cable and rental priced tapes (or disks), which provided that recurring revenue stream.

But maybe I'm wrong. Maybe studios dont' want to increase domestic grosses by 10 or 20% via Blu Ray/4k Disk sales (DVD also still adds tot he gross, though less than BR/4K)

Hagrid said:
1080p looks just fine. I hear sound coming through my speakers, I am happy.
I do not need 4K, 50 speakers 1000000 watts of power to enjoy a movie.
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Blind people don't need a picture and deaf people don't need any sound. Go on and be happy with your 20 year old picture quality (streaming so compressed that every dark scene is blotchy AF). Those of us with working eyes and ears will get something better.
 
maxius said:
not going to happen anytime soon 8k/4k streaming is ass and will be ass till we all have gbit
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wouldn't matter if you had it. a 50Mbit connection is capable of streaming at the best possible quality from these services....if you're doing 2k, it's probalby good enough for 3 or 4 streams. For 4k 2 is probably possible.

I don't see Netflix or Amazon streaming much higher quality anytime soon.
 
Ranulfo said:
Speed matters but bandwidth is and will be the bigger problem. How many 4k movies, even with mega compression can I watch a month with 1TB monthly bandwidth cap? As well, hollywood/tv/content creators in general threaten their own industry by cutting out the audio/videophiles and the home theater market. Why bother to go to 8k? 4k has been pointless for most people till the last year or two. Still is given compression and bandwidth but at least there are more sources available.
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More movies than you'd likely watch in a month. Assuming each movie is 2 hours, you'd get at least 60 4k netflix movies/month (or 120 hours).

Hollywood is not going to cut out disks. As I showed above, Blu Ray (2K+4K) is big bucks. Samsung is just one manufacturer. Do we think OLED is dead because Samsung dropped out of the market? Clearly not. We need those to watch our 4K Disks ;)
 
I'm not a physical media hater. I had a nice sized LASERDISC collection, and those bastards were $50+ each for new releases. And special edition stuff was way more.

But one cannot deny the convenience factor, and streaming is all about that.

Honestly I am a little shocked we're still on optical media and not using SD cards by this point.

Blu-ray vs UHD/4k vs... the future, 8k and beyond. Honestly even I have a hard time telling the difference between a good 1080p BR movie transfer and 4k at appropriate viewing distances. I am not anti-4k by any means, I think it makes a HUGE difference for PC displays (and you can pry my 4k 43" monitor out of my cold dead hands). For once (and I cannot believe I am typing this) the studios might have gleamed a clue and are doing BR+4K in the same package. But what about when 8k comes? Is that combo pack of Avengers going to be a free 8k upgrade?

I actually don't know how this plays out. Streaming seems to be the *winner* but now streaming services are fragmenting into 9 different services. And quality is not as good as physical BR. But less than 10% of people with a 4K/UHD set have a physical player (and like 99% is Xbox).

Lets see if Sony puts a UHD drive in the PS5 and then we'll see what happens.

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nilepez said:
More movies than you'd likely watch in a month. Assuming each movie is 2 hours, you'd get at least 60 4k netflix movies/month (or 120 hours).

Hollywood is not going to cut out disks. As I showed above, Blu Ray (2K+4K) is big bucks. Samsung is just one manufacturer. Do we think OLED is dead because Samsung dropped out of the market? Clearly not. We need those to watch our 4K Disks ;)
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Right, at 15GB a movie, 66 movies roughly. Now split that by 4 people for your standard family with 2 kids. 15 movies per person or to be more accurate, 30 hours per month of 4k content. That does not include streaming from youtube/twitch/non 4k content. I alone average 150-200GB per month of streaming content as I don't watch much tv at all that is at 1080p-720p-480p. The rest is game downloads/updates and OS installers/updates or God forbid a PS4 reinstall because Sony forbids drive cloning (400GB or so for that these days). The point I'm making is that your 4k revolution will be stunted when people who have bandwidth caps (most cable companies) get hit with extra charges. Probably rather quickly if they're on a 500mbit to 1Gbit download speeds.

The new Destiny2 installer after switching to Steam is 10% of my monthly cap at 105GB.
 
nilepez said:
Blind people don't need a picture and deaf people don't need any sound. Go on and be happy with your 20 year old picture quality (streaming so compressed that every dark scene is blotchy AF). Those of us with different personal requirements will get something better.
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FTFY.
 
nilepez said:
Avengers End Game as of the beginning of September only sold 2.5 million Blu Rays (about 1/4 comes from 4k sales) for a measely 57 million dollars.
Comparing first week sales of both mediums gives us the following:

File purchase was 335,400 units (I can't find a gross, but I assume units cost less than the price of a blu ray or 4K blu ray)
Blu Ray (including 4k) was 2,235,086 units (about 50 million) for the same period.

As for streaming, it's irrelevant to the argument. Streaming is just internet cable. If you're happy with that, then fine. Clearly millions are not and I can promise you studios aren't looking to give up what could be 10% of the domestic gross just because Darth Ender doesn't want a disk.

Seriously man, if you were correct, they never would have done DVDs. They'd have just stuck with Cable and rental priced tapes (or disks), which provided that recurring revenue stream.

But maybe I'm wrong. Maybe studios dont' want to increase domestic grosses by 10 or 20% via Blu Ray/4k Disk sales (DVD also still adds tot he gross, though less than BR/4K)
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You are wrong. And you're living in a fantasy world of inflated importance.

Music: 80% is streaming revenue. That's a trend that's been going on for years and will not stop until it hits 100%. Guaranteed. Hipster bullshit aside, that's where physical media will die.
https://www.theverge.com/2019/9/6/2...sic-industry-ariana-grande-drake-taylor-swift

Movies/tv : 76% of revenue is digital ... a trend that is exponentially moving in favor of digital year over year now. This will also trend toward 100% in short order.
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/201...arly-halved-over-five-years-mpaa-report-says/

I'm not in favor of this. I'm just not sticking my head in the sand and pretending that reality doesn't exist the way it does.

edit: and it's important to note. Physical media wasn't created because companies wanted to give high quality products to consumers. They were made because there weren't good alterntaives to reach a vast majority of people to fill the demand of on-demand viewing/listening. That's a situation that is rapidly ending across the world. Companies dont want physical media - it doesn't make them recurring revenue and it requires far more initial investment. It will end rapidly.
 
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So the assumption is everyone has an internet connection? Or one that can stream satisfactory?
 
Redmud said:
So the assumption is everyone has an internet connection? Or one that can stream satisfactory?
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Yes, but some people have caps which might not work well. Also it might only be able to stream 1 or so.
I think to have both is best. Also put them on thumb drives or something as well. Much easier.
 
mullet said:
Give me a break, I have over 500 Blu Rays and I will not stop. I have no cable TV just Antenna and I never go to the theater. So the money I save from no cable bill and no theaters, I take that money and buy ONLY movies I will watch more then once and I am still money ahead. I love having a hard copy.

Better Audio 7.1 Atmos....
Better Video quality.
Watch it as many times as you want.
Special features,...
No data usage.
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You are not the majority, most people buy NetFlix 4k package and think it is amazing quality! that some how streams over their 20Mb internet line not realizing it is compressed to shit and back.
 
Darth Ender said:
You are wrong. And you're living in a fantasy world of inflated importance.

Music: 80% is streaming revenue. That's a trend that's been going on for years and will not stop until it hits 100%. Guaranteed. Hipster bullshit aside, that's where physical media will die.
https://www.theverge.com/2019/9/6/2...sic-industry-ariana-grande-drake-taylor-swift

Movies/tv : 76% of revenue is digital ... a trend that is exponentially moving in favor of digital year over year now. This will also trend toward 100% in short order.
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/201...arly-halved-over-five-years-mpaa-report-says/

I'm not in favor of this. I'm just not sticking my head in the sand and pretending that reality doesn't exist the way it does.

edit: and it's important to note. Physical media wasn't created because companies wanted to give high quality products to consumers. They were made because there weren't good alterntaives to reach a vast majority of people to fill the demand of on-demand viewing/listening. That's a situation that is rapidly ending across the world. Companies dont want physical media - it doesn't make them recurring revenue and it requires far more initial investment. It will end rapidly.
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As long as a big enough market exists to make it worthwhile physical media will continue to be made. There are still physical copies of PC games released and that market is damn near 100% digital as is. The movie and TV market will never reach 100% digital and if Hollywood won't allow revenue streams to slip by so they will find ways to sell their content to people that won't or can't stream.
 
MrGuvernment said:
That some how streams over their 20Mb internet line not realizing it is compressed to shit and back.
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That will be 1080p then as Netflix requires a minimum of 25Mbps for the lowest quality 4K stream. I was paying for the 4K Netflix tier originally until I discovered that my constant 24Mbps connection (cannot get faster as at the end of the cable run & should only be getting 22Mb according to provider).

I have over 800 original BluRay & UHD/4K Blu-Ray titles on the shelves and cannot see myself changing anytime soon. I do have some of them ripped onto my Plex server in 1080p for compatibility around the house (only got the 4K set in living room and all other TV's are 1080p still with Plex being mostly used in the bedroom and on phones when out & about). I will continue to buy physical media as well over digital media.

Hagrid said:
I think to have both is best. Also put them on thumb drives or something as well. Much easier.
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Thumb drives would be much more expensive than a multi layer disc. Especially when you consider that the average UHD title and extras is 50GB.
 
Hagrid said:
Yes, but some people have caps which might not work well. Also it might only be able to stream 1 or so.
I think to have both is best. Also put them on thumb drives or something as well. Much easier.
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High capacity thumb drives are still more expensive than a bluray disk, maybe not by much at this point, they are.
 
Nightfire said:
Correct. I guess I mean uncompressed. Even at 1080 60, those files are huge! The newer 4k60 files must be massive.
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10TB uncompressed for a 90 minute 4K/60 video.
OliverQueen said:
That will be 1080p then as Netflix requires a minimum of 25Mbps for the lowest quality 4K stream. I was paying for the 4K Netflix tier originally until I discovered that my constant 24Mbps connection (cannot get faster as at the end of the cable run & should only be getting 22Mb according to provider).

I have over 800 original BluRay & UHD/4K Blu-Ray titles on the shelves and cannot see myself changing anytime soon. I do have some of them ripped onto my Plex server in 1080p for compatibility around the house (only got the 4K set in living room and all other TV's are 1080p still with Plex being mostly used in the bedroom and on phones when out & about). I will continue to buy physical media as well over digital media.



Thumb drives would be much more expensive than a multi layer disc. Especially when you consider that the average UHD title and extras is 50GB.
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UHD Blu-rays are actually 80GB or more. They can go up to 100GB on quad-layer discs. That includes 10+ GB of audio tracks. Extras are usually included on a separate disk because there is not enough room for both the movie and the extras.
motomonkey said:
High capacity thumb drives are still more expensive than a bluray disk, maybe not by much at this point, they are.
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Considering the niche market for high quality A/V content I think when anyone decides to start making hot plug hard drives with movies on them and players that support such a setup that there would be money to be made. I'd be willing to pay $100 for a movie if it meant getting a quality transfer that had a more reasonable compression algorithm than needs to be used currently even on UHD Blu-ray. It's the only way we're going to get anything resembling 8K video in the future as even USB and SD cards are not large enough.
 
Derangel said:
As long as a big enough market exists to make it worthwhile physical media will continue to be made. There are still physical copies of PC games released and that market is damn near 100% digital as is. The movie and TV market will never reach 100% digital and if Hollywood won't allow revenue streams to slip by so they will find ways to sell their content to people that won't or can't stream.
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You're making the point and missing it at the same time. The lack of broadband situation that allows the market to exist now is rapidly dying. It _WILL_ be eliminated in the near future and 5g will definitely expedite that. Companies _DO_NOT_WANT_ physical copies of media when they can't make recurring revenue, can't control it after sale, and have to mange the entire supply chain setup - while digital lets them avoid all of those negatives as well as make additional revenue off of the telemetry to marketers. We'll start to see less and less stores carrying the stuff, less content brought to it ..the content that is will increase in cost and then finally discontinued. The only way it would ever be given a lifeline is if they force blueray players to be always online and can take in telemetry and can end-of-life the content remotely.
 
Jumpem said:
There is still no easier and cheaper way to see many new releases than with Netflix Blu-ray service, or perhaps Redbox. I am still impatiently waiting for either of them to offer UHD Blu-ray rental.
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The Redboxs near me offer UHD
 
motomonkey said:
High capacity thumb drives are still more expensive than a bluray disk, maybe not by much at this point, they are.
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Going by a recent Costco purchase, I got sandisk 32GB thumb drives for $6 per drive in a 3 pack. Average prices on a 25GB Blu-ray are .75-$1. 100GB quad layer blanks are anywhere from $5 to $20 (M disc long lasting archive versions). My guess is in bulk, blu-ray is still cheaper.
 
staknhalo said:
The Redboxs near me offer UHD
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It is quite limited.

Is 4K UHD available at a Box near me?

4K UHD discs are currently available at select locations in Austin, Colorado Springs, Des Moines, Detroit, Kansas City, Los Angeles, Miami, Minneapolis, New York City, Reno, San Diego, San Francisco, Seattle, Spokane and Portland, Oregon. We hope to expand to more areas soon, so keep checking back.
 
IdiotInCharge said:
They're not expensive or even hard to find -- harder to find is a player that supports the latest HDR and audio codecs, but even then, you're still under US$200.

And it's worth it. Seen the Alien and Aliens remasters on 4k HDR? Jurassic Park? Damn.
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Or you can use a sata blue ray drive and a PC with HDMI to TV and get all the features you need.

I wished TVs would ditch obsolete hdmi and go to fiber optic cabling for video/audio or display port.

It's all digital data anyways.
 
Darth Ender said:
You are wrong. And you're living in a fantasy world of inflated importance.

Music: 80% is streaming revenue. That's a trend that's been going on for years and will not stop until it hits 100%. Guaranteed. Hipster bullshit aside, that's where physical media will die.
https://www.theverge.com/2019/9/6/2...sic-industry-ariana-grande-drake-taylor-swift

Movies/tv : 76% of revenue is digital ... a trend that is exponentially moving in favor of digital year over year now. This will also trend toward 100% in short order.
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/201...arly-halved-over-five-years-mpaa-report-says/

I'm not in favor of this. I'm just not sticking my head in the sand and pretending that reality doesn't exist the way it does.

edit: and it's important to note. Physical media wasn't created because companies wanted to give high quality products to consumers. They were made because there weren't good alterntaives to reach a vast majority of people to fill the demand of on-demand viewing/listening. That's a situation that is rapidly ending across the world. Companies dont want physical media - it doesn't make them recurring revenue and it requires far more initial investment. It will end rapidly.
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I can promise you 4k/Blu Ray ain't going away anytime soon. Disney is not going to give up 50 or 100 million bucks on a big title, simply because of streaming. I can promise you 10 years from now, there will still be physical media. And frankly, unless everyone has unlimited data at home, they can't make a quality product for streaming.

Bluntly, here's what happens if they do what you say: they lose the money that people like me spend on disks. I've got friends in a band and their label (glassnote) decided not to release CDs. And I told them, I love you, but if there's not a physical release I'm not buying it. End of story. And I didn't.

What you're describing is a recipe for lost sales, because I don't think I'm the only person who would just quit buying if they stopped selling physical media and htey're not going to get it back in streaming, because I'll never have more than 2 continuous subs (which I already have) and anything else is get it for a month and drop it for 6 months or a year. So that's what? 10 15 bucks/year vs 100 or more per month.

Disney's got their new service and guess what? I won't be getting it for months...and then i'll get it for a month see what's there, watch it and drop it. They're unlikely to get more than 15 bucks a year from me. NBC/Universal is unlikely to get anythng, but maybe I'd go once a year.

Streaming is for people who don't care about quality. I get it that most don't, but studios would be nuts to end disks, when that's the only way to get quality images and sound.
 
Armenius said:
10TB uncompressed for a 90 minute 4K/60 video.

UHD Blu-rays are actually 80GB or more. They can go up to 100GB on quad-layer discs. That includes 10+ GB of audio tracks. Extras are usually included on a separate disk because there is not enough room for both the movie and the extras.

Considering the niche market for high quality A/V content I think when anyone decides to start making hot plug hard drives with movies on them and players that support such a setup that there would be money to be made. I'd be willing to pay $100 for a movie if it meant getting a quality transfer that had a more reasonable compression algorithm than needs to be used currently even on UHD Blu-ray. It's the only way we're going to get anything resembling 8K video in the future as even USB and SD cards are not large enough.
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8k will likely have a much higher capacity disk and I assume that there will be an even more efficient codec in use. But that's just conjecture. I don't see hard drives as a long term solution, but I think Sony did something like that when they first put out 4K TVs.

I'd consider something other than optical, but I'd have to own it. Right now, I buy 4K and then immediately rip it to my NAS. About the only downside is that TVs can't pick up the embedded subtitles, so you have to go to a subtitle site to get them. It works, but it's not ideal.
 
nilepez said:
8k will likely have a much higher capacity disk and I assume that there will be an even more efficient codec in use. But that's just conjecture. I don't see hard drives as a long term solution, but I think Sony did something like that when they first put out 4K TVs.

I'd consider something other than optical, but I'd have to own it. Right now, I buy 4K and then immediately rip it to my NAS. About the only downside is that TVs can't pick up the embedded subtitles, so you have to go to a subtitle site to get them. It works, but it's not ideal.
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What disc tho? I haven't seen any new formats of disc tech coming out yet. Is 8 layer or w/e Blu-ray disc a thing for 200GB discs?
 
IdiotInCharge said:
PowerDVD is ass...
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PowerDVD isn't the only playback software available for PC. I use WinDVD Pro and it is awesome. Got my hands on a lifetime license during a Christmas sale years ago for $40.
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What disc tho? I haven't seen any new formats of disc tech coming out yet. Is 8 layer or w/e Blu-ray disc a thing for 200GB discs?
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I'm wondering what happened to HVD. Apparently the forum is still active, but nobody is trying to bring a product to the consumer market. At this point, though, self-contained hard drives would be a hell of a lot cheaper than an HVD while offering close to twice the density for the same price.
 
Armenius said:
PowerDVD isn't the only playback software available for PC. I use WinDVD Pro and it is awesome. Got my hands on a lifetime license during a Christmas sale years ago for $40.

I'm wondering what happened to HVD. Apparently the forum is still active, but nobody is trying to bring a product to the consumer market. At this point, though, self-contained hard drives would be a hell of a lot cheaper than an HVD while offering close to twice the density for the same price.
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Hmm HVD. First I heard of it. Must of been some kind of issue that prevented it from being cost efficient and/or reliable. Looks like a cool tech. Could be that just no big company is backing it. Sony has a strangle hold on physical disc based media with Blu-ray and probably want to keep it that way since rake in money from licensing.
 
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Darth Ender said:
You're making the point and missing it at the same time. The lack of broadband situation that allows the market to exist now is rapidly dying. It _WILL_ be eliminated in the near future and 5g will definitely expedite that. Companies _DO_NOT_WANT_ physical copies of media when they can't make recurring revenue, can't control it after sale, and have to mange the entire supply chain setup - while digital lets them avoid all of those negatives as well as make additional revenue off of the telemetry to marketers. We'll start to see less and less stores carrying the stuff, less content brought to it ..the content that is will increase in cost and then finally discontinued. The only way it would ever be given a lifeline is if they force blueray players to be always online and can take in telemetry and can end-of-life the content remotely.
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The cost at this point to create physical media is minimal and these companies are creating streaming services to supplement and hedge the market. Of course they would all like us to do a subscription and stream their movies but a fair number of people won't do that. It's already getting too much for me with the various streaming services. Disney + is the only one I'll add at some point and like others I'll watch for a month and then drop it just like I do for HBO now.

4k for most users is already not very noticeable because of viewing distance and screen size. Screens are getting larger so that helps make it more of an upgrade and of course cost is coming down. The place 4k and really 8k would show significant improvement in picture quality is in my instance where I have a 120" widescreen and zoom a 1080p source to fill the aspect ratio. 1080p blu-ray is the least I can stand when doing that at 9-10' viewing distance.

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Derangel said:
As long as a big enough market exists to make it worthwhile physical media will continue to be made. There are still physical copies of PC games released and that market is damn near 100% digital as is. The movie and TV market will never reach 100% digital and if Hollywood won't allow revenue streams to slip by so they will find ways to sell their content to people that won't or can't stream.
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I used to buy every blizzard release boxed. That’s became harder and harder to do.

game cards aren’t physical media IMO.
 
I have Roku and like the hundreds of basically free streaming channels (minimal commercials) and supplement this with subs to BritBox and AcornTV (at @ $5 each) and NetFlix. NetFlix is probably the first service that I'll cancel (soon) as they seem to have almost nothing worth binge watching anymore - except for Great British Baking Show, which the wife chain-watches.
Probably I'll eventually add PBS Passport ($5 month) instead but then I'm done. Amazon, AT&T, Apple, Comcast, Disney, Sony, CBS, etc... can launch all the channels they'd like but I'm not buying... any nearly any price. It's this exact sort of media overload of subscription channels that lead to everyone cord-cutting cable in the first place!

I buy anything that I'd ever want to rewatch again as DVD/Blu-Rays and have zero plans on stopping, even if they stop making new releases tomorrow.
I like to OWN my media and fondle it in my hands and say 'mine' and not worry that some suit on the east or left coast is going to try and take control of any online digital media storage service to further increase their profits.
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vegeta535 said:
What disc tho? I haven't seen any new formats of disc tech coming out yet. Is 8 layer or w/e Blu-ray disc a thing for 200GB discs?
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I don't know, but Blu Ray came out 8 years after DVD and UHD came out 10 years after Blu Ray. I assume we won't see an affordable 8k consumer product before then.

However, for commercial use, it appears something will be available next year (though only in Japan, based on this year old article)
 
Design1stcode2nd said:
The cost at this point to create physical media is minimal and these companies are creating streaming services to supplement and hedge the market. Of course they would all like us to do a subscription and stream their movies but a fair number of people won't do that. It's already getting too much for me with the various streaming services. Disney + is the only one I'll add at some point and like others I'll watch for a month and then drop it just like I do for HBO now.

4k for most users is already not very noticeable because of viewing distance and screen size. Screens are getting larger so that helps make it more of an upgrade and of course cost is coming down. The place 4k and really 8k would show significant improvement in picture quality is in my instance where I have a 120" widescreen and zoom a 1080p source to fill the aspect ratio. 1080p blu-ray is the least I can stand when doing that at 9-10' viewing distance.

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People definitely sit too far away from 4K (and even HD) sets. I think the ideal distance for a 65" 4k TV is roughly 5-6', but most people seem to sit the same distance they did when they had a 480i set.
 
nilepez said:
People definitely sit too far away from 4K (and even HD) sets. I think the ideal distance for a 65" 4k TV is roughly 5-6', but most people seem to sit the same distance they did when they had a 480i set.
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It's usually because of the room that the main TV is put in is usually designed that way.(not for TV viewing distance, but wall to wall space) Unless you have a dedicated room for movies, viewing distance is usually pretty far. Almost double.
 
Ranulfo said:
Going by a recent Costco purchase, I got sandisk 32GB thumb drives for $6 per drive in a 3 pack. Average prices on a 25GB Blu-ray are .75-$1. 100GB quad layer blanks are anywhere from $5 to $20 (M disc long lasting archive versions). My guess is in bulk, blu-ray is still cheaper.
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Factor in the cost of the burner as well, pending on when you bought it, My BR burner was $140 when i got it, does the 100G+ disks as well.
 
Hagrid said:
It's usually because of the room that the main TV is put in is usually designed that way.(not for TV viewing distance, but wall to wall space) Unless you have a dedicated room for movies, viewing distance is usually pretty far. Almost double.
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People need to have easily movable furniture. Watching TV? "Furniture 6' from TV. Centered" (in my best Picard imitation). ;)
 
I'm just slotting in a ~75" OLED when they get all the specs in line. Add a pair of SVS subs and some in-wall speakers for Atmos in the ceiling and roll out.
 
4 billion dollars is too big for blue ray not to be around for quite a while. I dont have a player, I am one of the filthy masses as are all of my friends. However, studios want every cent they can make and will always make bluerays or offer a service to make them because that money is not shared or diluted. Even if the market shrank to a tenth of what it is today many would race to fill the demand that the big boys like samsung leave by abandoning the platform. Dear god, you can still buy vinyl, uggh.
 
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