Is ghosting in VA panels this bad?

Black crush is a calibration issue.

Would the Samsung suffer from it? The C27HG70 is supposed to be factor calibrated, right? Perk of being an (has been) "premium" monitor.

And i know about the lights, but man. Guess i simply won't know unless i own one, which means returning this one, which means having to buy IPS again if VA sucks for me.

Any reason the monitor market is such garbage? I just looked for a 24 IPS 144hz, figuring hey, and... i can't find one? Are we being trolled or something?
 
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Combined with two bright lights in a room.

That's definitely a hard stupid.

I've gone to using lights that point at the wall behind the screen -- just normal lights on stands to back-illuminate the monitor.

Nothing pointed at the monitor.
 
Would the Samsung suffer from it? The C27HG70 is supposed to be factor calibrated, right? Perk of being an (has been) "premium" monitor.

And i know about the lights, but man. Guess i simply won't know unless i own one, which means returning this one, which means having to buy IPS again if VA sucks for me.

Any reason the monitor market is such garbage? I just looked for a 24 IPS 144hz, figuring hey, and... i can't find one? Are we being trolled or something?

I do not know about that particular monitor. I should clarify, the issue is combination of extended black depth and the gamma the screen is calibrated to, combined with the lighting in the room. When we are dealing with IPS or such with poor black levels, it is easy to see the lowest steps on dark grey because the dark grey colors step up in relative to the black depth. But with a screen that has deep blacks that is calibrated to flat line 2.2 or 2.4 the lowest dark greys are hard to see and they are supposed to be that dark. Think of it this way, if you are outside with bright sunlight can you see through the window indoors into a house that has no lights on? A game that has dark scenes behave the same way if you are in a bright room and play a game that has a night scene. Even OLED "crushes" blacks and dark details in those situations, it is not an VA panel thing alone.

If you want to see what is going on in the screen with dark details then either turn the damn lights down or don't go for flat 2.2 or 2.4 gamma. Go for a gamma that has a curve like BT.1886 instead, which has dark details brighten real quick so they are easier to see in bright room but the brighter end still follows something like a 2.4 gamma (meaning it is not washed out like if you would just lower the gamma towards brighter, meaning everything gets brighter).
 
I see. I suppose the only way i can be sure is to have one at home.

So it comes down to this.

No 24" IPS 144hz screens because who knows why. Some TN ones that at 240hz but forget TN, i'm agonizing over VA already as it is.

On the 27 1440p front we have IPS with mediocre contrast, that stupid glow and unreasonably high price. I also learned SOME of them seem to have problems with blurry text (some Acer models?), even at 1440p, which is enough to make me want to jump a bridge if i get one of those after returning my current one considering my grievance with it is that 1080p looks blurry and jaggy.

On the VA we have ghosting, overshoot, black crush, response times that can't even match 144hz properly (as far my googling goes it seems only the LG 32K850f is fast enough to keep up with 144hz), worst viewing angles, inaccurate colors (but comparable vibrancy). Bunch of other stuff i probably forgot.

And then there's the OLED unicorn but i'm not in the habit of taking mythological creatures under consideration.

So many choices, and every single one of them sucks.
 
I see. I suppose the only way i can be sure is to have one at home.

So it comes down to this.

No 24" IPS 144hz screens because who knows why. Some TN ones that at 240hz but forget TN, i'm agonizing over VA already as it is.

On the 27 1440p front we have IPS with mediocre contrast, that stupid glow and unreasonably high price. I also learned SOME of them seem to have problems with blurry text (some Acer models?), even at 1440p, which is enough to make me want to jump a bridge if i get one of those after returning my current one considering my grievance with it is that 1080p looks blurry and jaggy.

On the VA we have ghosting, overshoot, black crush, response times that can't even match 144hz properly (as far my googling goes it seems only the LG 32K850f is fast enough to keep up with 144hz), worst viewing angles, inaccurate colors (but comparable vibrancy). Bunch of other stuff i probably forgot.

And then there's the OLED unicorn but i'm not in the habit of taking mythological creatures under consideration.

So many choices, and every single one of them sucks.

24" 144 IPS monitors have already been announced but they are still 1080 pee.
 
I'm fine with 1080 at 24", but at 27 i guess it crossed the threshold for me.
 
Hahaha, what the heck is this:


This also:

Without the sharpness setting on, it is blurry. I have both this and the 271up, and as far as colors go, this is almost unusable compared to the 271. Trying to see exactly how bad the response time is on the 271 though. Also, the QC on the 271 is awful. Screen doesnt fit flush in the frame.

Ha i see, so the xf270 is blurry and the 271up has crappy response times. Both of those were the only "almost affordable if i could get one used" options for 2k IPS 144hz, and out the window they go. Jumping off that bridge is starting to appear more and more like the better alternative here. I'm almost tempted to learn how to live with this 270 1080p monitor and call it a day. Gaming is good after all it's only the desktop that looks like dog shit, right?

Haaaaaa.
 
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Hahahaha:

https://hardforum.com/threads/asus-mg279q-please-help.1874854/

So long guys, and thanks for all the fish.

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l placed a order for a Samsung Va Qled panel on bought one off Amazon it's the Samsung 24" 144hz with Freesync. If it's really bad I'll just return it or give it away or use it for certain games.
 
Honestly, I don't know why sharpness/bluriness would be a thing for LCD monitors. It's fixed-pixel for crying out loud. Not bashing you OP - I feel your pain. But seriously, they shouldn't be having these issues...
 
Reading those links i'm getting the impression the issue is on the side of the software. Like with the xf270, which has no sharpness control in the OSD so you are "stuck" with what Acer decided for whatever reason. Like, really?

On my LG monitor, turning on the HDR thingy sets the sharpness to maximum, and you can't tone it down. Why? Who knows. It's like those electronic companies specifically hire people who lack any kind of common sense.
 
More bizzare shenanigans:


And again with the sharpness problem. On a screen with a 108.79 PPI. Just what in the hell is going on here.

Every single monitor out there seems to suck, and if they don't suck you have to sell your car to get one.
 
LOL dude you'd be lucky to have sharpness as the least of your problems with those craptastic 1440p IPS displays. I wouldn't waste my time and money on that junk.
 
Guess you can wait for the 24 inch 144Hz IPS panels and hope for the best. Everything that is out right now is a disappointment.
 
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Guess you can wait for the 24 inch 144Hz IPS panels and hope for the best. Everything that is out right now is a disappointment.

To be honest i'm slowing starting to get used to my original monitor, now that's i've seen the nightmare that is the monitor market, hahaha. I found a setting in the color temperature that for some reason made the text not as blurry, not sure why. Still look like garbage but it's more tolerable now.

If i have to spend 200 euros extra just to get a wqhd resolution i might as well get a separate screen for desktop use and keep the 1080p 27 144hz screen for games and put both on my desktop with one of those double vesa mounts. The price difference for a simple resolution upgrade is just that ridiculous.
 
Sub-pixel layouts aren't fixed between panels, and some are ass for text.

You'd think by how they'd have standardized the process for the most optimal sub-pixel layout. You know, sort of get the basics right before you move to the rest of the garbage.
 
You'd think by how they'd have standardized the process for the most optimal sub-pixel layout. You know, sort of get the basics right before you move to the rest of the garbage.

There are advantages to different layouts for different types of media.
 
Ok, but for a PC monitor you'd think text clarity would the first priority. Use the other layouts on TVs.

Agreed. There's a reason for other sub-pixel layouts to exist, but they should absolutely be confined to displays targeting appropriate use-cases.
 
For the record, could it be that the blurriness i see on my LG screen owns to something like this rather than the fact it is a 1080p 27" screen? If even wqhd screens are blurry.
 
For the record, could it be that the blurriness i see on my LG screen owns to something like this rather than the fact it is a 1080p 27" screen? If even wqhd screens are blurry.

My father has a 27" 1080p Dell, purchased at my recommendation. It's deadly sharp and so very easy to read. I believe that it's IPS, though a cheaper one, as it does look pretty nice. Also had an old Hanns-G 27" 1200p TN that had ass for colors -- but it was also sharp.

Pretty sure the issue is panels that have been optimized for TV use being repurposed for desktop monitor use.
 
Pretty sure the issue is panels that have been optimized for TV use being repurposed for desktop monitor use.

And thus the mystery is solved. I just ordered the Samsung. I didn't want to go 1440p just yet since the impact on games doesn't seem worth the advantage of having natural anti-aliasing but anything to get rid of this damn blurriness. I'll get it before the return window for the LG monitor expires so i'll get a chance to compare the two, IPS vs VA, 1080p vs 1440p.
 
Out of curiosity, what 2k IPS screen is out there that will absolutely guarantee me a non-blurry picture while still remaining within a semi "normal" price range? The Asus MG279Q is blurry, the Acer XF270HUA is blurry, and those were the two top picks everybody recommenced to me.

One day until i get the Samsung. If i can't stand the VA ghosting problems, i'm out of options here. The Asus Rog stuff is so far out of my budget it's not even funny, while the new nano IPS monitor from LG is missing in action and can only be pre-ordered at exaggerated prices:

https://www.amazon.it/dp/B07T7K2V7L/ref=psdc_460159031_t4_B07G9J35CQ

Assuming i could bring myself to dish out 500 euros for an IPS WQHD screen, what CAN i get?
 
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Maybe my eyes are getting older but motion on my LG 32GK850G looks smooth as hell at 160fps

Blur doesn't seem any worse than the Acer Predator IPS 144Hz panel it replaced, and the contrast is way, way better on the VA. For darker games especially theres no comparison, IPS glow sucks!
 
What about at 60 FPS though? I heard the lower you get, the worse it is, and since i'm planning to get a 5700 XT there's going to be several games that will be stuck at that frequency for 1440p (Metro Hedoxus, Kingdom Come Deliverance, and any future games of that irk).

Eitherway, i'll report back tomorrow when i get the Samsung. We'll see.
 
Man, i'm reading some horror stories regarding the Samsung. Terrible quality control it seems. Hope they improved that over the years.
 
Man, i'm reading some horror stories regarding the Samsung. Terrible quality control it seems. Hope they improved that over the years.

You will find those for every single monitor model. Dead pixels, clouding, uneven backlight...those can happen on any model. The people who have this happen to them will also be the ones posting online about it.

My previous monitor was the ASUS PG278Q and people harped about its quality issues a lot but I had no problems on mine. Likewise with my current Samsung CRG9 some dude had replaced his 4 times and each had problems whereas mine works just fine.

The unfixable stuff is things related to the display/panel design itself as displays rarely get any firmware updates and some things are just a quirk of a certain panel.
 
Maybe my eyes are getting older but motion on my LG 32GK850G looks smooth as hell at 160fps

Blur doesn't seem any worse than the Acer Predator IPS 144Hz panel it replaced, and the contrast is way, way better on the VA. For darker games especially theres no comparison, IPS glow sucks!

Your eyes are fine. The LG32GK850G has response times that are either on par or even faster than IPS panels so of course there will not be significantly more blur. People just love to give VA panels a lot of hate when it comes to response time but really the LG only has the typical black smearing, and even that's minor compared to other VA panels. For non dark transitions it matches IPS.
 
Will they make a 27 inch of that?

I'm not aware of a 27" version of that monitor in the works. But even if they did, the 32" version suffers from sharpness problems anyways so maybe a 27" version would suffer the same, at first I thought it was due to low ppi but then I compared it to my 1080p 23.8" Asus 240Hz TN panel which has just about the same ppi and text was noticeably clearer on it so yeah...¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
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I just hope when the Samsung arrives today it doesn't have green lines from the overworked postal man or lady.
 
I'm not aware of a 27" version of that monitor in the works. But even if they did, the 32" version suffers from sharpness problems anyways so maybe a 27" version would suffer the same, at first I thought it was due to low ppi but then I compared it to my 1080p 23.8" Asus 240Hz TN panel which has just about the same ppi and text was noticeably clearly on it so yeah...¯\_(ツ)_/¯

You got to be kidding me.

I actually considered LG 32GK650F instead of the Samsung but it's not available at the correct price in the crappy country i live in. 450 euros new for both the 32GK650F and 32GK850F which is obviously wrong since the 32GK650F should be at least 350 euros, so i had to give it up. Now you are telling me even that's blurry.

Just what the hell, this is getting beyond ridiculous.
 
Well I'm not sure about the Freesync "F" versions of the monitor, I only owned the Gsync "G" version and yes that had sharpness problems. Do the freesync ones have that problem as well? I couldn't tell you but I would imagine they do.
 
You got to be kidding me.

I actually considered LG 32GK650F instead of the Samsung but it's not available at the correct price in the crappy country i live in. 450 euros new for both the 32GK650F and 32GK850F which is obviously wrong since the 32GK650F should be at least 350 euros, so i had to give it up. Now you are telling me even that's blurry.

Just what the hell, this is getting beyond ridiculous.

Just don't use it as a primary monitor just for gaming =)
Step away from the flat screen LCD screens can screw people up if they are not carefull.
Which is why I stick with my 36" drafting desk.
 
Your eyes are fine. The LG32GK850G has response times that are either on par or even faster than IPS panels so of course there will not be significantly more blur. People just love to give VA panels a lot of hate when it comes to response time but really the LG only has the typical black smearing, and even that's minor compared to other VA panels. For non dark transitions it matches IPS.

Perhaps a 'typical' IPS, but compared to a gaming IPS?

I have both, and the VA is noticeably slower. Not just in the dark areas where all detail that would be visible due to increased contrast is obliterated, the entire screen is slower / blurier than my IPS. Aside from the size, it feels like a downgrade all around.
 
Yeah gaming IPS panels are really fast nowadays. I wouldn't compare even the better VA ones to that.

Personally I'm fine with a fast VA panel up to around 100-120hz but the slower transitions often creep up and bother me no matter what still. I have decided to live with it for now though, because I like the alternatives even less.
 
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I have decided to live with it for now though, because I like the alternatives even less.

I haven't sold my VA -- it's not 'better', but I absolutely agree about not liking the alternatives.

From my perspective, no display has reached 'good' yet. No display type is even close. Passable is as good as it gets, and I've been waiting for 'great' for decades now.
 
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