I want something new... 5700xt or 1080ti?

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relevant specs:
2700x
X470 mobo
2 x 3x4 nvme ssd’s
32 go 3200 b die 2 x 16
1440p 144hz freesync monitor

I can get a 5700xt brand new for 300. Xfx brand blower style.

And then sell the evga 1080ti? I’m bored. Just want something new to play with.
 
I’m looking for someone to say oh man the 5700xt is hot garbage bro keep you me nvidia bro!!!
 
jmilcher said:
I’m looking for someone to say oh man the 5700xt is hot garbage bro keep you me nvidia bro!!!
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But its not hot Garbage. I mean its not going to be a performance upgrade really... not sure why you would make that move. If your that bored find an old HDD or SDD or buy a cheapo 120G SSD for 20 bucks or something and mess around with Linux for a few months. By then if your still itching for some GPU hardware you'll have more options likely. lol
 
ChadD said:
But its not hot Garbage. I mean its not going to be a performance upgrade really... not sure why you would make that move. If your that bored find an old HDD or SDD or buy a cheapo 120G SSD for 20 bucks or something and mess around with Linux for a few months. By then if your still itching for some GPU hardware you'll have more options likely. lol
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Only problem with that is diminishing returns.

I can still make $400 pretty easily off this 3 year old card.

I wait another year and I’ll be selling it for the going rate of scrap. That’s an over exaggeration of course but probably I’d lose a decent chunk of change if and when amd drops newer cards.
 
jmilcher said:
Only problem with that is diminishing returns.

I can still make $400 pretty easily off this 3 year old card.

I wait another year and I’ll be selling it for the going rate of scrap. That’s an over exaggeration of course but probably I’d lose a decent chunk of change if and when amd drops newer cards.
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That is a good point. Well if you can get $400 for it and replace it with a card 95% as good for $300 I guess that isn't a bad way to go. Hell perhaps at that point... sell the 2700 and the 1080ti... get yourself a 5700xt and a 3700x. Instead of saving $100 you might end up spending a bit depending how much you can manage to get out of a 2700x. You know someone wanting a good low(er) cost gaming PC... build them a 2700x + 1080ti. Then go all out and get a 570 board as well. (not that your 470 board isn't just fine unless you really plan to swap in some PCI4 drives as well)
 
ChadD said:
That is a good point. Well if you can get $400 for it and replace it with a card 95% as good for $300 I guess that isn't a bad way to go. Hell perhaps at that point... sell the 2700 and the 1080ti... get yourself a 5700xt and a 3700x. Instead of saving $100 you might end up spending a bit depending how much you can manage to get out of a 2700x. You know someone wanting a good low(er) cost gaming PC... build them a 2700x + 1080ti. Then go all out and get a 570 board as well. (not that your 470 board isn't just fine unless you really plan to swap in some PCI4 drives as well)
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If I thought I could make anything off the 2700x I’d have sold it. I paid 329 on launch, and people were struggling to get 170 here not too long ago.

The 3700x would be nice, but it’s not worth a $150 loss for the gains.
 
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ChadD said:
That is a good point. Well if you can get $400 for it and replace it with a card 95% as good for $300 I guess that isn't a bad way to go. Hell perhaps at that point... sell the 2700 and the 1080ti... get yourself a 5700xt and a 3700x. Instead of saving $100 you might end up spending a bit depending how much you can manage to get out of a 2700x. You know someone wanting a good low(er) cost gaming PC... build them a 2700x + 1080ti. Then go all out and get a 570 board as well. (not that your 470 board isn't just fine unless you really plan to swap in some PCI4 drives as well)
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And the 570 boards all have fans. Which I’m not a fan of. And they are at most marginally better than the x470 I have. So... yea I’ve considered it. Good suggestion.
 
I recently bought a VII to mess around with. I haven't owned an amd card since my 5770. Definitely wouldn't buy that over any quality AIB cooling solution though, night and day difference on noise levels.
 
"Just want something new to play with." .. gotta go with the 5700xt then, right? 1080ti is the old man on the block (even though that old man is like Clint from Gran Torino)
 
jmilcher said:
If I thought I could make anything off the 2700x I’d have sold it. I paid 329 on launch, and people were struggling to get 170 here not too long ago.

The 3700x would be nice, but it’s not worth a $150 loss for the gains.
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Try 3600x, same multicore performance, large (25%) per core advantage.
 
jmilcher said:
And the 570 boards all have fans. Which I’m not a fan of. And they are at most marginally better than the x470 I have. So... yea I’ve considered it. Good suggestion.
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I hear ya I'm in no rush to buy a MB with a fan again either. My 3600x is in a B450 board. I didn't even see enough reason to go 470. The board I have still has dual nvme (ok one is 2x but that is hardly the end of the world... I'm not going to raid NVME, and a second drive beyond my 1GB main drive would just be storage anyway).

I see your point on the 1080 side grade though... ya if you can pocket around $100 clear I'm sure you could do something with it even if that something is just splurging on Steam sales for awhile or something. lol
 
ChadD said:
I hear ya I'm in no rush to buy a MB with a fan again either. My 3600x is in a B450 board. I didn't even see enough reason to go 470. The board I have still has dual nvme (ok one is 2x but that is hardly the end of the world... I'm not going to raid NVME, and a second drive beyond my 1GB main drive would just be storage anyway).

I see your point on the 1080 side grade though... ya if you can pocket around $100 clear I'm sure you could do something with it even if that something is just splurging on Steam sales for awhile or something. lol
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Yea exactly my thoughts. I’ll probably post this 1080ti up soon for sale. I’ve been watching their prices. And they have surely held their value. I know the 5700xt won’t once the faster cards launch, but I also won’t be losing as much on the 1080ti if I sell now.

And keep in mind this card only retailed for 699 ish. Back in the day of sub $800 flagship gpu’s. So to still get $400 give or take for it, all these years later seems decent
 
bobzdar said:
Try 3600x, same multicore performance, large (25%) per core advantage.
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And two less cores. I read a million benches and decided against it for my use. It’ll have to be the 3700x or 3900x. I’d even consider the 3700 non x when prices come down.
 
jmilcher said:
And two less cores. I read a million benches and decided against it for my use. It’ll have to be the 3700x or 3900x. I’d even consider the 3700 non x when prices come down.
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It doesn't really matter if the multicore performance is the same, does it? If each core is 25% faster, then it performs the same with 25% less cores. Benches back it up, so you lose nothing in heavily threaded apps and gain 25% in everything else. I get it though, might not be worth it, but if your talking a gaming build it probably is...
 
I would flash your board and then buy the 3700x as it should be an upgrade even for your 1080ti as more fps in your face .. as even the 3600 is an upgrade in the gaming department because of 32Mb of L3
 
I have a reference 5700XT in my second rig. I've also owned a 1080 Ti (at one point two of them). I personally wouldn't do it. The drivers on AMD's side for the 5700xt just aren't there yet (I've used AMD drivers for many years with the 290x as well; they seem to have regressed). If you want to get something worthwhile, get yourself an actual upgrade and go for the 2080 Ti. It's definitely more pricey, but if you're willing to throw cash at a sidegrade, you should at least consider it.
 
Organik said:
1080Ti would be better.
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Yea I couldn’t find a single case where the 5700xt was a better choice. Only the idea that maybe it will hold value longer. But looking at amd gpu used prices, I’ll just gamble and enjoy my 1080ti.
 
JMCB said:
I have a reference 5700XT in my second rig. I've also owned a 1080 Ti (at one point two of them). I personally wouldn't do it. The drivers on AMD's side for the 5700xt just aren't there yet (I've used AMD drivers for many years with the 290x as well; they seem to have regressed). If you want to get something worthwhile, get yourself an actual upgrade and go for the 2080 Ti. It's definitely more pricey, but if you're willing to throw cash at a sidegrade, you should at least consider it.
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not interested in lackluster half implemented features like rtx. Not at this point when it’s entirely useless and you are actually paying for it. I don’t mind spending money, but I’m not usually a guinea pig anymore for new stuff. Learned that lesson a few times.

which is also why I decided to pass on the 5700xt. Everything I read said the drivers are hot trash.
 
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AMD drivers are okay. Not perfect, but certainly not "hot trash".

I had a blue screen the other day just watching YouTube, but updating to the latest driver seemed to fix it.

There is also an ongoing conflict with Afterburner, causing screen flickering. If I use Wattman instead it works.

Other than that, things have been fast and stable. Not sure why everyone says AMD drivers are so bad when they are not really.

And I've had my share of issues with Nvidia. Don't even ask me about the 2 weeks of Hell when the 2080 Ti came out...
 
Own both, 5700XT 50th AE and 2x 1080 Ti's -> For the same price even if used -> 1080 Ti unless Nvidia nerf the drivers for Pascal, this card will fare as well if not better than the 9700Pro from ATI many moons ago. Really only thing significantly faster this generation is the 2080 Ti and we are only talking around 30%-35% at that. Frankly I think the 1080 Ti will outlive the 2080 due to the increase amounts of ram. For a new card the 5700XT for this generation is the best bang/$ out there in my opinion, so if you want new, not overwhelmed by the total lack of quality RTX titles etc. the 5700XT makes an awesome 1440p card. Except the 1080 Ti is better.

As for drivers, not sure what the problem is, I much prefer AMD drivers over Nvidia's - better FreeSync support, OCing, hell the list can go on and on - just my experience.
 
jmilcher said:
relevant specs:
2700x
X470 mobo
2 x 3x4 nvme ssd’s
32 go 3200 b die 2 x 16
1440p 144hz freesync monitor

I can get a 5700xt brand new for 300. Xfx brand blower style.

And then sell the evga 1080ti? I’m bored. Just want something new to play with.
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Where are you finding an 5700 xt for $300 brand new? I'm interested :)
 
bobzdar said:
It doesn't really matter if the multicore performance is the same, does it? If each core is 25% faster, then it performs the same with 25% less cores. Benches back it up, so you lose nothing in heavily threaded apps and gain 25% in everything else. I get it though, might not be worth it, but if your talking a gaming build it probably is...
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But it is not 25% faster per core. They clock pretty close if the 2700X is OC'ed.
 
funkydmunky said:
But it is not 25% faster per core. They clock pretty close if the 2700X is OC'ed.
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A 3700X has a good deal more performance than 2700X (around 20% in some games) even though at stock the clocks are almost the same.

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funkydmunky said:
But it is not 25% faster per core. They clock pretty close if the 2700X is OC'ed.
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It clocks 100-200mhz faster and has 15% better ipc. All core loads perform roughly the same and the 3600x crushes the 2700X in lighter threaded apps (ie games) by 20+%.
 
One thing I've done when I've felt bored is to switch out my case. Let's you do a rebuild, while spending less money, usually, than if you do a CPU, GPU or mobo swap. Of course, only works if you're kind of bored with your current case.
 
cybereality said:
Yeah, you're right. It's closer to 15%.

The point was that it is 15% faster *at the same clock speed*.
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And? They are virtually the same clock speed.
Clock speed is close enough not to matter. Chart proves that.
Are you seriously still trying to push your 25% BS?
 
funkydmunky said:
Are you seriously still trying to push your 25% BS?
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Maybe you have me confused with someone else. I never said anything about 25%, and in my last post I even agreed you were right about the 15%.

My original post stated I thought the difference between the 2700X and 3700X (which are basically the same clock speed) could be 20% in some games.

That was not false. I could go around cherry-picking benchmarks (for either way), but here is one with nearly 29% difference.

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Back to the title - RX 5700 reference are down to $329, and if flashed or soft modded to 5700XT power tables, are within a few % performance wise. Given that, I actually went out and bought one, too good a deal to pass up. Now just have to figure out what to do with it....
 
$329 is a sweet deal, especially with the BIOS mod.

But it would be more or less a sidegrade from a GTX 1080.

Might still be fun to swap it out and see what you think.
 
I wouldn't do it. I did something similar going from gtx 1080 to rx 5700. I've had plenty of ATI/AMD cards in the past and figured people were just fluffing up the driver issues again. It was nice using the freesync over hdmi for my tv but took me a while to calibrate the colors to what I wanted. The volume overlay would make some games blink like I was tabbing out, the audio would also pause for a second when the overlay appeared and then again when it disappeared. Tabbing out behavior was also sporadic while consistently instant on my 1080. It's probably a great card for others but it felt refreshing putting back my GTX 1080 and not having any little issues. I'll still root for AMD but probably not putting one of their GPU's in my personal system for a while.
 
The flickering issue I think is a conflict with Afterburner (or other apps that overlay games).

It is annoying for sure, but not the end of the world.
 
cybereality said:
Maybe you have me confused with someone else. I never said anything about 25%, and in my last post I even agreed you were right about the 15%.

My original post stated I thought the difference between the 2700X and 3700X (which are basically the same clock speed) could be 20% in some games.

That was not false. I could go around cherry-picking benchmarks (for either way), but here is one with nearly 29% difference.

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My bad. Got you mixed up with Bobzdar.
As to your point, when not a game getting 300+ fps, a Zen2 will not be 29% faster. Don't try to cherry pick too hard. There are enough benchmarks out there that show that a 15% IPC is spot on when relating to game fps between Zen+ and Zen2.
 
Yeah, for sure. The 29% was an outlier, and I agree that we are talking about around 15%, so no problem there.

The only reason I was trying to point that out is that just looking at the clock speed doesn't tell the full story when comparing different chips.

That was all.
 
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