Pixel 4

I don't mind those bezels compared to a notch or the distracting camera "dot" like Samsung has. Then again, I'm rocking a normal Pixel 2 which has bezels from the iPhone 3G era :p
Until they're able to hide/shrink front-facing cameras, it seems like there is always going to be a trade-off.
I'm still not biting if there's no 5G, though. Especially knowing what this thing is gonna cost.
 
So with the Vietnamese factory workers leaking these phones, do we have an exact spec sheet now?

-Battery size for the XL?
-RAM amount for the XL?
 
Wait, the 4 XL will have 8GB RAM, not just 6GB?



Looks like 6 GBs unless they put 8GB in the more expensive variant with more storage as well like Samsung and Oneplus has been doing.



Shows the RAM at 4:45 with 5406 MB available RAM on the 4 XL with 109.59 GBs of internal storage, so unless 128 GB is the base model, which is quite possible, I doubt there will be a higher model with more RAM.
 
Really disappointed Google went with a telephoto lens opposed to a ultrawide lens for its second camera.
 
No leaks seem to reference 5G, so I'm guessing that isn't a feature. Guess I'm waiting for the refresh.
 
No leaks seem to reference 5G, so I'm guessing that isn't a feature. Guess I'm waiting for the refresh.
Not sure why this is a deciding factor for some people. The 5G infrastructure is incredibly immature. It still needs a lot of work to get it to perform as expected reliably and is extremely limited in its availability. Not to mention 5G chips in phones tend to drain battery and get very hot. Getting a 5G phone now is pointless as it’ll likely be obsolete in many other aspects by the time 5G is viable and widespread.

If you’re in the market for a new phone now, basing your purchase decision whether it has 5G is not a good approach IMO. It’s a marketing buzzword now to drive up the prices of 5G phones more than anything.
 
Not sure why this is a deciding factor for some people. The 5G infrastructure is incredibly immature. It still needs a lot of work to get it to perform as expected reliably and is extremely limited in its availability. Not to mention 5G chips in phones tend to drain battery and get very hot. Getting a 5G phone now is pointless as it’ll likely be obsolete in many other aspects by the time 5G is viable and widespread.

If you’re in the market for a new phone now, basing your purchase decision whether it has 5G is not a good approach IMO. It’s a marketing buzzword now to drive up the prices of 5G phones more than anything.
if you live in one of those 8 cities with 5G, you might have a different opinion on the importance of having 5G, especially if you keep a phone for more than a year. More power to them I say.
 
if you live in one of those 8 cities with 5G, you might have a different opinion on the importance of having 5G, especially if you keep a phone for more than a year. More power to them I say.
Even if you’re in one of those cities you have to be near a node and have relatively unobstructed signal. If you move a block or two away from a node then your back on 4G LTE. Like I said, it has a LONG way to go still. Not to mention you likely paid several hundred extra for this extremely limited feature.
 
In Denver they're quite literally everywhere. Apparently we're a test city and they started putting up the access points everywhere about a year ago. I didn't even learn what they were until recently.
There's one in front of my neighborhood and one in the parking lot of my office. I have a coworker with a Samsung that is able to access it just fine.
 
Hey I have been hanging for the new Pixel 4.
BUT
I cannot buy a phone at the end of 2019, with a battery size of 2700 mha?
What is going on?
Is this a ploy by Google to make you buy the bigger more expensive phone with a bigger battery?
My 2 year old Samsung has a bigger battery, and it only lasts half a day.
Other phones are coming with 4X00 batteries at the moment.
Am i being paranoid?
What gives?
 
They are betting that the new processors will use so little power that they can get a day~ish out of the smaller battery. Honestly, it might work...
 
Unless Google *starts* builds the SoC in-house like Apple, I got low expectations if they're just using off-the-shelf parts when it comes to efficiency.
 
No leaks seem to reference 5G, so I'm guessing that isn't a feature. Guess I'm waiting for the refresh.

Found these results on the Geekbench browser.

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Update September 16, 2019: That Geekbench Pixel 4 XL 5G upload has been faked. An XDA member describes his faking the update.
XDA Developers
 
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^ That sounds like the device I want. I'm in no hurry to upgrade, so waiting 6 month to a year for that is no big deal. My Pixel 2 is still hanging in there with decent battery life.
 
Why would the 8GB XL show as 7638 usable RAM, while this P4XL5G one only 7500MB when referencing the same exact memory system? I have read a couple of reports that this last one is fake.
 
Update: That Geekbench Pixel 4 XL 5G upload has been faked. An XDA member describes his faking the update. XDA Developers

Will be interesting to see if Geekbench deletes the fake.
 
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The Pixel 4 benchmarking fakery may not be over.

In addition to the faked Pixel 4 XL 5G upload, there is an inappropriately named "Google Google Pixel 4" with 8 GB RAM that was uploaded to the Geekbench browser on Sep 07, 2019. At the time of this post the Google Google Pixel 4 is still on the site.

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I have to say I'm very impressed with Apple increasing the battery size this year compared to last year's phones by 25% to 30%.

Google should have done the same thing and given us like a 4,400mAh battery in the Pixel 4 XL. Not the weak 3,700mAh we're getting.

To me battery life is easily one of the top features on a smartphone a phone does you know good if it's just a dead brick with no power.
 
To me battery life is easily one of the top features on a smartphone a phone does you know good if it's just a dead brick with no power.

For now it's basically one of two selling points. Camera and battery. There isn't much else that differentiates one device from another.
 
For now it's basically one of two selling points. Camera and battery. There isn't much else that differentiates one device from another.

October 15 is going to be an interesting reveal when we officially get to see what Google is going to innovate on the Pixel 4.
 
October 15 is going to be an interesting reveal when we officially get to see what Google is going to innovate on the Pixel 4.
There will be no innovation. Just like all phones for the past 3 years. Hell the original pixel is perfectly fine and capable phone for 95% of the population.
 
There will be no innovation. Just like all phones for the past 3 years. Hell the original pixel is perfectly fine and capable phone for 95% of the population.

I think that perspective is a little extreme. Reading about the tech behind the iPhone 11 cameras illuminated me to the fact that far more happens behind the scenes than is openly talked about. Capturing 9 intraframes and combining them to increase dynamic range, sharpness, and color accuracy while using machine learning to identify human subjects and ensuring pleasing skin-tone doesn't just "magically" happen from a programing and design perspective (and that's just one part of the new cameras. That doesn't cover deep fusion, how the depth maps work, or things like night mode).

I can't speak to what Google has up their sleeves, but certainly over the past year they've tried to figure out what will give the maximum benefit to the most users. Some of it will be just brute force updates for sure. Faster processor, more RAM, faster modem. But hopefully they finally get a screen which isn't garbage and have multi-cam software that matters. That will be plenty of "innovation" in itself.

Whether you care about any of it is an entirely different subject. But certainly competition is fierce and they can't sit around for a year and do nothing if they actually want to sell handsets to people other than developers.

EDIT: To add on though, I don't disagree with your premise that the original Pixel is enough for most users. But that is much the same for the computing world as well. Phones are becoming stratified because performance has for the most part gotten to the place where it is "enough". 7 years ago that wasn't the case. But now, yeah people could use a 3 year old phone and be perfectly fine.

But this "enough" premise doesn't mean that there isn't innovation.
 
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There will be no innovation. Just like all phones for the past 3 years. Hell the original pixel is perfectly fine and capable phone for 95% of the population.

Having just moved to a 3a from an OG Pixel...

Mostly. The phone now lags, and the battery is basically shot, and I just paid it off. The 3a I bought outright and quite like it; given the trend in removing headphone jacks, and the fragility of flagship phones, I don't think I'll be interested in upgrading anytime soon.
 
Having just moved to a 3a from an OG Pixel...

Mostly. The phone now lags, and the battery is basically shot, and I just paid it off. The 3a I bought outright and quite like it; given the trend in removing headphone jacks, and the fragility of flagship phones, I don't think I'll be interested in upgrading anytime soon.
I have a 2xl and going to upgrade to a 3a or something only cause the screen is cracked and the damn type c port isn't worth a fuck. Such a hassel to get a connect for charging. Otherwise I am still perfectly happy with how the phone still runs after nearly 2 years. I might get a 3xl once the 4 comes out and they start clearing out the 3s for cheap. The 4 will not bring enough innovation to be worth paying $800+ for. Don't care what anyone says. None of the new iPhones, Samsung or any other $1000 phone is worth that price.
 
Ouch, prices have leaked, and the 4 XL will be like $1,100 to $1,200;

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Oh-So...-listings-reveal-premium-prices.435166.0.html

Sure hope this isn't right
I am not going to use that as a reference for what the cost will be in the United States because that pricing is from a sole vendor in Ireland and
Different vendors...
In different countries...
In different regions...
Will be charging diverse prices...

Vendors such as Google, T-Mobile and Best Buy for example, will be offering uniform prices that will be more or less equal to each other upon release.
 
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Last year in October I got my Pixel 3 XL from Google for $849, due to some instant gift certificate they had going.

I hope the 4 XL has similar deals. $899 is the most I'll pay for the Pixel 4 XL, even then makes me think just get the 7t Pro for $649 instead possibly.
 
Last year in October I got my Pixel 3 XL from Google for $849, due to some instant gift certificate they had going.

I hope the 4 XL has similar deals. $899 is the most I'll pay for the Pixel 4 XL, even then makes me think just get the 7t Pro for $649 instead possibly.
Why? What is wrong with your 3xl? I don't get the need to upgrade every year to the next $800+ phone.
 
Why? What is wrong with your 3xl? I don't get the need to upgrade every year to the next $800+ phone.

Mainly battery life, this 3 XL is mediorce at best, not terrible, but not great at all. And I'd like a brighter display for outdoor use.

I'm almost tempted by the 11 Pro Max just for it's outstanding battery life, supposedly getting equivalent to like 10hrs Screen on Time.

I don't need 10 SoT, but my Pixel 3 XL only gives me like 5h to 5.5h. I'd like a phone that does at least 7h.

And my charging port is broke somehow . I can't wire charge the phone, and listening on wired headphones goes in and out doesn't really work
 
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Last year in October I got my Pixel 3 XL from Google for $849, due to some instant gift certificate they had going.

I hope the 4 XL has similar deals. $899 is the most I'll pay for the Pixel 4 XL, even then makes me think just get the 7t Pro for $649 instead possibly.

They had the 3/3XL for like $200+ off (plus like $50 Play store credit and a Home hub or something) on BF last year, so if you had just waited a month you would have got a considerably better deal.

My 2 XL is still solid as well, getting 4-5 hours SoT per charge over 24-36 hours, so I'm surprised the 3 XL is doing that bad. But I'm with Vegeta, no way these phones are worth near what they're asking MSRP for despite me having a hard enough time justifying my 2 XL for 20% off when I got it for around $700 new and I've been perfectly happy with it. That's about the max I'd buy any phone for still, so unless there's some deals for the 4 XL around that same price with some other goodies thrown in, I'll prolly pass on the Pixel this time for the 7T Pro or 8 Pro when it comes along or something.

Camera used to be at the bottom of my list for priorities on a phone too though and since I just moved to Europe and have been traveling much more this year, I'd really like the best camera I can get for all the travel though. Naturally that would point to the Pixel, but it seems Google really screwed the pooch here by opting for a telephoto lens instead of a wide-angle lens on the 4s. No idea how they thought people would prefer zooming over fitting more in the frame. These shots would have been much better with a wide angle lens for sure. So hopefully OP steps up its game a bit more in the 7T or 8 so it will make that decision a bit easier.
 
Battery life (which is okay) and oversize bezels (not that big of deal) are the only real complaints I have about my normal Pixel 2. The camera is more than fine and I have the version with 128GB.
I can't justify dropping a grand for slightly better battery life, a camera, and smaller bezels. I'll hold off for the 5 or some kind of in-between model.
 
My wife still has the Pixel 2 XL, and for some reason almost seems like a better more durable long lasting phone. Zero problems with it, and has better battery life then my 3 XL.
 
I found this article to be of considerable merit and relevant to the Pixel 4. It's easy to read, and with perfectly chosen example images, the author informatively shows the merits of both the wide angle lens and the telephoto lens.

Wide Angle Versus Telephoto Lenses for Beautiful Landscape Photography
While there is value in a telephoto lens, for me personally I don’t find it very valuable. I’ve had a telephoto lens ever since 2016 and have used it for maybe less than 5% of all the photos I’ve taken. If the zoom was more than 2x like it is on the vast majority of smartphones then maybe I’d find more value in it.

I fell in love with the ultrawide angle lens ever since using it on the LG V30. Much more dramatic photos can be achieved and I find myself having trouble fitting shots into frame much more often than moving closer to an object to get a closer photo.

Google already has super zoom which is actually pretty good for it being completely software based. While not on the same IQ level as an optical zoom, it sufficed for many situations. I, and I’m sure many others, would’ve strongly preferred if they went with an ultrawide lens instead since they have a semi-decent software solution for zoom.
 
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