iPhone 11, 11 Pro, 11s? (est Sep 10th reveal)

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exlink said:
So I was planning on keeping my iPhone X for about another year but just got word that T-Mobile will be rolling out Band 71 in my area in the next few months. My reception right now is average at best so I'm thinking I may upgrade to an iPhone 11 once the new band is activated. Going to have to take a really close look at the iPhone 11 display; more concerned about the PPI than the fact its an LCD since I use an iPhone 8 Plus daily for work and its fine.
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The displays are night and day different, if it’s the same or better quality than the xs max. I went from a lcd 8 plus to the xs max and was blown away by the screen quality difference in my opinion.
 
Where do you tell the difference? I looked at the home screens of the XS and the 8 in the store and I couldn't see that much of a difference.
 
jmilcher said:
The displays are night and day different, if it’s the same or better quality than the xs max. I went from a lcd 8 plus to the xs max and was blown away by the screen quality difference in my opinion.
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The question is if the difference in displays is large enough (along with the few other differences) to make me put down an extra $300-400+.
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Where do you tell the difference? I looked at the home screens of the XS and the 8 in the store and I couldn't see that much of a difference.
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There is definitely a difference. I use an iPhone X (OLED) and iPhone 8 Plus (LCD) daily and the LCD definitely lacks in contrast compared to the OLED. Colors also look a bit more vivid on the iPhone X, but not by much. As I stated in my previous post my only concern is the PPI on the iPhone 11 as both of my current phones are over 400 PPI (458 on the X and 401 on the 8+). The iPhone 11 has 326 PPI which is substantially less than the two phones I use.
 
exlink said:
The question is if the difference in displays is large enough (along with the few other differences) to make me put down an extra $300-400+.

There is definitely a difference. I use an iPhone X (OLED) and iPhone 8 Plus (LCD) daily and the LCD definitely lacks in contrast compared to the OLED. Colors also look a bit more vivid on the iPhone X, but not by much. As I stated in my previous post my only concern is the PPI on the iPhone 11 as both of my current phones are over 400 PPI (458 on the X and 401 on the 8+). The iPhone 11 has 326 PPI which is substantially less than the two phones I use.
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Going from a X to a 11 is basically going to be a downgrade/sidegrade at best in every way except battery life/compute. Not worth it at all. If you can't afford to go to the 11 Pro i'd wait another year.

The 11 Pro is a decent upgrade over the X. You get a sizeable increase in battery life, namely, beyond the display/camera upgrades which are substantial as well. The display in the 11 Pro has a high enough nits rating this time around that the HDR will be far better in real world usage. The X/XS, while color accurate displays, didn't have the nits rating required to really make the HDR pop.

It's not like the XS which was pretty lame at the time if you already had a X.
 
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Mchart said:
Going from a X to a 11 is basically going to be a downgrade/sidegrade at best in every way except battery life/compute. Not worth it at all. If you can't afford to go to the 11 Pro i'd wait another year.

The 11 Pro is a decent upgrade over the X. You get a sizeable increase in battery life, namely, beyond the display/camera upgrades which are substantial as well. The display in the 11 Pro has a high enough nits rating this time around that the HDR will be far better in real world usage. The X/XS, while color accurate displays, didn't have the nits rating required to really make the HDR pop.

It's not like the XS which was pretty lame at the time if you already had a X.
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Affordability is a non-issue for me. I’m just not that “into” dropping $1000+ for cell phones. I did it with my iPhone X ($1400 after tax) and iPhone XS MAX ($1550 after tax); and in the end I didn’t feel like I got my money’s worth. Especially with the XS MAX that went back due to its shitty cell reception issues.

iPhone 11 is an upgrade from the X in nearly every aspect but the screen. A13 vs A11, 4GB RAM vs 3GB RAM, a much better camera sensor, an ultrawide lens (which I much prefer over a telephoto), Night Mode, Deep Fusion, SmartHDR, 12 MP front camera vs 7 MP, upgraded FaceID that will work at greater angles and is faster, much improved battery life, slightly faster wireless charging (10w vs 7.5w), Gigabit LTE, WiFi 6, Band 71 support, spatial surround speakers, U1 chip, etc etc etc.

As you can see, moving to the 11 is actually a decent upgrade in every aspect BUT the display. The iPhone 11 Pro only offers an OLED display that is sharper and brighter, a telephoto lens, and 2GB more ram for an extra $300+ (43% more than the regular 11).
 
2GB more is significant when speaking of iOS. The display, as you know, is the feature worth paying for IMO.
 
Mchart said:
2GB more is significant when speaking of iOS. The display, as you know, is the feature worth paying for IMO.
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How is 2GB more RAM significant for iOS? RAM management has always been one of the iOS’ strong suits. It’s why iPhones with a total of 2GB of RAM are able to operate just fine even on the latest iOS versions.

6GB of RAM I see much more beneficial for iPadOS where multi-tasking is much more prevalent. But when you have only one app on screen at a time on iOS the 6GB of RAM honestly seems like overkill. Seems to only be added to further differentiate the “Pro” phones and try to justify the price over the iPhone 11; which has the same amount of RAM as last year’s XS phones.

The display and telephoto lens on the Pro will be the only clearly noticeable differences over the regular iPhone 11. And saying whether they’re “worth” an additional $300+ is entirely subjective. I have a hard time seeing how the 11 Pro is worth 43% more than the iPhone 11 for just those two features alone. If the Pro had more tangible features to offer over the iPhone 11 (such as reverse wireless charging) then I’d be more inclined to spend the extra dough.

But in the end, I need to see the phones first hand before deciding.
 
exlink said:
How is 2GB more RAM significant for iOS? RAM management has always been one of the iOS’ strong suits. It’s why iPhones with a total of 2GB of RAM are able to operate just fine even on the latest iOS versions.

6GB of RAM I see much more beneficial for iPadOS where multi-tasking is much more prevalent. But when you have only one app on screen at a time on iOS the 6GB of RAM honestly seems like overkill. Seems to only be added to further differentiate the “Pro” phones and try to justify the price over the iPhone 11; which has the same amount of RAM as last year’s XS phones.

The display and telephoto lens on the Pro will be the only clearly noticeable differences over the regular iPhone 11. And saying whether they’re “worth” an additional $300+ is entirely subjective. I have a hard time seeing how the 11 Pro is worth 43% more than the iPhone 11 for just those two features alone. If the Pro had more tangible features to offer over the iPhone 11 (such as reverse wireless charging) then I’d be more inclined to spend the extra dough.

But in the end, I need to see the phones first hand before deciding.
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Less app reloading, ultimately. If you can’t see the benefit I don’t know what to say on RAM. I’m well aware iOS manages it good. Good management doesn’t fix the app reloading because you have less RAM.

As for key features, it’s all about the display. Having a mobile phone with a 800nits OLED panel is a key feature for me.
 
I think I've decided to buy an Iphone 11 for my wife - my plan had been to get an XR for her after the 11 came out. But her favorite color is purple, and for an extra hundred bucks it seems like the 11 will last her longer. She's had her 6s Plus for at least 4 years?
 
atreidesgoldenpath said:
I think I've decided to buy an Iphone 11 for my wife - my plan had been to get an XR for her after the 11 came out. But her favorite color is purple, and for an extra hundred bucks it seems like the 11 will last her longer. She's had her 6s Plus for at least 4 years?
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Honestly, unless money is really tight I’d go with an 11 over the XR for just an extra $100. Two cameras opposed to one (and thankfully the UW lens and not telephoto), an extra gig of RAM, A13 chip, U1 chip, Night Mode, Deep Fusion, WiFi 6, better front facing cameras, better FaceID, better water resistance, and slightly better battery life just for an extra Benjamin? Count me in.
 
exlink said:
The question is if the difference in displays is large enough (along with the few other differences) to make me put down an extra $300-400+.

There is definitely a difference. I use an iPhone X (OLED) and iPhone 8 Plus (LCD) daily and the LCD definitely lacks in contrast compared to the OLED. Colors also look a bit more vivid on the iPhone X, but not by much. As I stated in my previous post my only concern is the PPI on the iPhone 11 as both of my current phones are over 400 PPI (458 on the X and 401 on the 8+). The iPhone 11 has 326 PPI which is substantially less than the two phones I use.
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To answer your question about the price difference, yes absolutely in my case.

I use my phone for personal use and for work and media consumption. Something I spend half my day looking at my phone off and on.

Sadly I can’t go back to lcd displays anymore. The quality and colors are just, well not my cup of tea. Overall for me, i will continue to buy quality oled type displays.
 
Have they courageously engineered a notoriously challenging port for sd cards yet? What a revolutionary idea if they can crack that one!
 
N4CR said:
Have they courageously engineered a notoriously challenging port for sd cards yet? What a revolutionary idea if they can crack that one!
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Ah yes, the good old, “I see Apple thread, I take shit in it.” These courage meme responses are just beating a dead horse now. Was funny back in 2016 when they removed the headphone jack.

Anyway, any XR owners in here that can comment on the display after using it for some time? Especially those that came from an OLED.
 
N4CR said:
Have they courageously engineered a notoriously challenging port for sd cards yet? What a revolutionary idea if they can crack that one!
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All my flagship androids had them. Now I’ve had the flagship apple for the last 3 or so years. And amazingly, I’ve never needed or used more than 64 gb. I may be an odd ball out here, but with most things in the cloud now, and streaming services being a thing for music, sd cards aren’t needed. That was a 2012 feature I wouldn’t go without at the time. But times have changed. I don’t worry about it miss the sd slot.
 
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So the iPhone 11 Pro has the "best" camera as of September 2019.

Come October 15th, might be a different story
 
Zorachus said:
So the iPhone 11 Pro has the "best" camera as of September 2019.

Come October 15th, might be a different story
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For me personally, the iPhone 11 is already better in the camera department because Google decided to go with a telephoto lens for the 2nd camera instead of ultrawide.
 
Zorachus said:
So the iPhone 11 Pro has the "best" camera as of September 2019.

Come October 15th, might be a different story
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Maybe -- it depends on whether or not Google is focused on improving the quality of its shots or simply enabling new types of shots.

As it is, the very fact that people are saying the iPhone has the best camera right now is saying a lot. It's no longer the "good but not best" option; now, it might well be the best pick outside of some obvious advantages for other devices (Pixel has computational photography, P30 Pro has zoom). I find it notable that Apple actually managed a better night mode than Google, in part because shots still look like, well, night.

On that note, I've noticed that Apple has a kind of freight train approach to solving weaknesses in its products: it may take a while for it to address a problem, but when it does, it clobbers whoever's in front. See its CPU development as an example -- it's now to the point where the iPhone is so much faster that even the subsequent Snapdragon/Exynos chips are slower. The camera seems to be receiving similar attention. I would be very curious to see what the 2020 iPhone's camera performance is like.
 
I’m wondering if Apple is purposely delaying Deep Fusion to put a damper on the Pixel 4 release. The iPhone 11 already is considered to best camera in a phone by many reviewers. So Deep Fusion may be Apple’s secret weapon to regain the crown if the Pixel 4 ends up taking better photos than the iPhone 11 in its current state.
 
I think at the end of the day both the iPhone 11 pro and Pixel 4 will be nearly tied had to head for best camera maybe the Pixel 4 does better portrait mode and the iPhone 11 pro will be known for the wide angle camera and video.

but I doubt one phone's camera will trounce the others, they probably be both excellent cameras.

It will come down to which OS do you prefer iOS or vanilla Android.
 
exlink said:
I’m wondering if Apple is purposely delaying Deep Fusion to put a damper on the Pixel 4 release. The iPhone 11 already is considered to best camera in a phone by many reviewers. So Deep Fusion may be Apple’s secret weapon to regain the crown if the Pixel 4 ends up taking better photos than the iPhone 11 in its current state.
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Occam's Razor suggests it just wasn't ready in time, much like portrait photos weren't ready for the iPhone 7 Plus on launch. Having said that, I'm sure Apple doesn't mind that it might one-up Google and undercut the Pixel 4 launch.
 
The 11 is a solid deal. Not a huge phone person so I'll keep my X still. Will be upgrading some family members though.
 
iPhone 11 Pro Max supposedly packing a whopping 3969 mAh battery. Much larger than the 3500 mAh battery rumors suggested.

 
That's a massive upgrade over the XS Max's 3,174mAh battery.

LOL Apple one upping Google, the 4 XL will only have a 3,700mAh battery, it should be at least 4,000+mAh.
 
Gotta say my Pixel 3 XL is pissing me off with it's shitty battery life. It's not terrible, but certainly not great. Probably like 5.5h SoT.
 
More reports coming in that the Pros still have only 4GB of RAM according to Xcode. One less of the few distinguishing feature between the Pros and the regular 11.
 
Another reason for me to wait for the USB C iPhone next year before reevaluating then. Although 4GB is already fine I'd presume.
 
ChronoReverse said:
Another reason for me to wait for the USB C iPhone next year before reevaluating then. Although 4GB is already fine I'd presume.
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Won’t happen. Electrically it’s some form of USB 3.1 now anyways. It’ll never go usb c for the physical connector.
 
I've never had good battery life with any Android phone i've tried, and i've tried a lot of them. It's the primary reason I gave up on them and stuck with iPhone's. I've tried HTC's of various kinds, Sony's, Galaxy's, etc. Android is just outright terrible at saving battery while the phone is in standby, and it's possible to fix by finding the rogue service, but I don't have time for that crap.
 
Mchart said:
I've never had good battery life with any Android phone i've tried, and i've tried a lot of them. It's the primary reason I gave up on them and stuck with iPhone's. I've tried HTC's of various kinds, Sony's, Galaxy's, etc. Android is just outright terrible at saving battery while the phone is in standby, and it's possible to fix by finding the rogue service, but I don't have time for that crap.
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The Pixel 2 XL I had had amazing battery life. It was easily a 1.5-2 day phone for me. Too bad the screen quality was shit which made me give it up for the iPhone X.
 
If I go to Walmart or Best Buy, will I be able to buy a factory unlocked iPhone 11 tomorrow - or do they only sell carrier phones?
 
ChronoReverse said:
Another reason for me to wait for the USB C iPhone next year before reevaluating then. Although 4GB is already fine I'd presume.
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The usb c rumor has been alive and well for at least 2 years. Apple makes money off the lightning connector essentially and probably isn’t looking for compatibility or convenience. They moved to usb
Mchart said:
Apple is the only one who sells the normal carrier free phone.
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had to order mine direct. It’s nice to not have to wait to have it carrier unlocked though.
 
Looked at some of the reviews, looks like battery life claims are true. Guess that means Ill pick one up in a few weeks when I can just walk into a store and get one.
 
IMO, I prefer the lightning connector anyways. Yeah, it sucks that it makes cables/accessories more expensive, but the physical connector itself is superior when it comes to ease of use.
 
Mchart said:
IMO, I prefer the lightning connector anyways. Yeah, it sucks that it makes cables/accessories more expensive, but the physical connector itself is superior when it comes to ease of use.
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Compared to previous USB charging cables I’d agree. But I don’t see how the Lightning connector is any easier to use than USB-C.

For iPhones the port is mainly used for charging unlike the MacBooks and now iPad Pros (which are trying to be marketed against laptops) where data transfer speeds are more important. I could honestly see them sticking to the Lightning Port for another generation or two.
 
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