Borderlands 3

PC Gamer trashed it, but they tend to give shit reviews: https://www.pcgamer.com/borderlands-3-review

Sadly, the endgame is pretty shallow at launch. It's all about accumulating better loot, but I'm a bit backed into a corner. Mayhem mode modifies enemy difficulty for better rewards with three levels to work through. Think of Diablo 3's difficulty levels: juice the challenge to earn better loot until it's no longer difficult, juice it yet again for better loot. I'd say ad infinitum, but there are only three Mayhem levels at launch.

The alternative is True Vault Hunter Mode, which kicks off a new campaign with all your loot and abilities in tow. Good in theory, I just never want to play the campaign again. A few repeatable timed gauntlets and waved-based horde modes are my only alternative, so I'll just wait for the DLC and hope the writing is better.

Between the bugs, the extended non-jokes, the self-aggrandizing jabs at game design trends, and a few cameos I won't spoil but that made me audibly groan, Borderlands 3 has a lot in common with Gearbox fan events as of late. There's a lot of loud, extended posturing while holding what everyone really came for hostage. It's a shame, because Tales from the Borderlands found a delicate balance of absurdity, self-awareness, and genuine heart. A better Borderlands is possible, it's just not Borderlands 3.
 
The reviews sound iffy. I was on the fence anyway with the dated cartoon graphics and first person view.
 
And so the wait begins to play this game on Steam. I guess by that point my interest will be long gone.
 
Jumpem said:
Much more than first person for a game like this. I also prefer isometric over first person.
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It’s a straight and proper shooter, it should be first person. Third person is for cover shooters and melee games.

Personally cover shooters while entertaining are used to pave over subpar gameplay.

Isometric shooters are just bullet hells.
 
Aireoth said:
It’s a straight and proper shooter, it should be first person. Third person is for cover shooters and melee games.

Personally cover shooters while entertaining are used to pave over subpar gameplay.

Isometric shooters are just bullet hells.
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I simply don't find first person games very immersive.
 
Jumpem said:
I simply don't find first person games very immersive.
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Fair enough you like what you like, but you realize this is a shooter right?

I love Isometric rpgs and TPS melee games like Witcher and Assassins creed, but for shooters the best is always FPS.
 
games no longer drop in price the way they used to. lots of 4 year old games are still listed at full price. sure you can wait for a sale, but do whatever works for you.
 
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RTX2080 needed for Ultra @ 1440p60, WTH?

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2080Ti can't 60FPS 4K Ultra

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https://www.pcgamer.com/amp/borderl...rformance-analysis/?__twitter_impression=true
 
game sounds good but nothing amazing...just more of the same...if you loved B2 then you'll love B3...seems like Gearbox played it safe and just gave players more of what they like- Borderlands 2.5
 
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polonyc2 said:
game sounds good but nothing amazing...just more of the same...if you loved B2 then you'll love B3...seems like Gearbox played it safe and just gave players more of what they like- Borderlands 2.5
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That's not always a bad thing. BL2 was nearly perfect whereas the Pre-Sequel not so much. BL2's atmosphere was what set it apart for me so if they can recapture that I'll be happy.
 
dark_reign said:
Borderlands 3 vs Borderlands 2 video graphics comparison.
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The thing that stands out the most everything is in Focus close in and in the distance the detail on the gun looks the same as the background. in this game even at a distance while Borderlands 2 is was last gen console muddy or 2012 muddy.
 
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Comixbooks said:
The thing that stands out the most everything is in Focus in this game even at a distance while Borderlands 2 is was last gen console muddy or 2012 muddy.
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Yes, it all looks crystal clear and that alone is a very welcome refinement.
 
Plus there will probably be mods to change the shaders. I always turned down the black borderlines on everything and that made a world of difference to me.
 
AceGoober said:
Something doesn't look right with the comparison. BL2 has significantly more detail at 4K UHD than portrayed in the video.
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probably has FXAA turned on, that crap removes so much of the detail in the game.

polonyc2 said:
game sounds good but nothing amazing...just more of the same...if you loved B2 then you'll love B3...seems like Gearbox played it safe and just gave players more of what they like- Borderlands 2.5
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thankfully they did because pre-sequal sucked.. glad they kept it similar to BL1/BL2.
 
MacLeod said:
Yikes! Hopefully that's just early code/drivers at fault and the game won't be quite that demanding. I was hoping to get 120+ fps with close to Ultra settings with my rig (2070@1080p) but looks like I might have to drop settings a little more than I thought.
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Games should have settings so high you can't run them at 120 fps. You can always just run lower settings to get higher fps.

If you can run a game maxed out at high framerates it means they were lazy and just targeted console hardware and could have added a lot more detail.

If you can't run lower settings at high fps on high end hardware then yeah it is poorly optimized, but you should view it as a good thing you can't max it out with 120 fps. It means you get to choose between even better looking graphics and higher fps.
 
Yeah, there are definitely shenanigans going on with the comparison video.

I'm playing BL2/TPS on a Lenovo T440 with a 730M 1GB VRAM at close to lowest settings and I'm seeing slightly more detail than what is shown in the comparison video.
 
sharknice said:
Games should have settings so high you can't run them at 120 fps. You can always just run lower settings to get higher fps.
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Only if the game's graphics justify that kind of performance. In this case, I'm not seeing it.
 
The guns are all organic look like fish I'm sure the move and slither around while keeping still so it's a jump maybe not with textures but animations.
 
Interesting that a 2080Ti is only pulling 46fps in 4K. Hopefully that a product of unoptimized drivers and/or a review copy that is rough around the edges.

EDIT: Looks like Nvidia released new BL3 optimized drivers this morning. No clue if that'll make a difference, but they probably can't hurt.
 
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Domingo said:
Interesting that a 2080Ti is only pulling 46fps in 4K. Hopefully that a product of unoptimized drivers and/or a review copy that is rough around the edges.

EDIT: Looks like Nvidia released new BL3 optimized drivers this morning. No clue if that'll make a difference, but they probably can't hurt.
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I am hoping so. When I saw those numbers I thought they seemed really low, especially for a Borderlands title. It's not a bad looking game, but it's certainly a lot simpler than other modern AAA titles. There's no reason why modern hardware shouldn't be able to push this to 4K 60FPS. Hopefully a new driver and day one patch will help.
 
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game sounds good but nothing amazing...just more of the same...if you loved B2 then you'll love B3...seems like Gearbox played it safe and just gave players more of what they like- Borderlands 2.5
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More of the same is exactly what I want.

Per Steam I'm sitting at 100 hours on BL1 and 137 hours on BL2. I've had a lot of fun and got my monies worth with both titles. TPS sits unfinished at 26 hours. It was a lazy and uninspired and the things they changed to try and make it different were more annoying than fun. I'd much rather see BL3 play it safe and remain faithful to the things that made the first two games so fun.
 
I'd love to buy the game but I'll wait for the Steam release. All of these Epic exclusives piss me off when everyone that plays such games are on Steam & not Epic Games (most of [H] here is on Steam and/or Uplay rather than Epic).

I'll have to watch this thread over time to see how much Gearbox improves it before I jump into the fray.
 
Viper87227 said:
I am hoping so. When I saw those numbers I thought they seemed really low, especially for a Borderlands title. It's not a bad looking game, but it's certainly a lot simpler than other modern AAA titles. There's no reason why modern hardware shouldn't be able to push this to 4K 60FPS. Hopefully a new driver and day one patch will help.
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That's my take. It's not that I can't handle a new game unable to run at 4K maxed, but more that Borderlands 3 in particular doesn't appear to justify that kind of performance/horsepower.
 
CrimsonKnight13 said:
I'd love to buy the game but I'll wait for the Steam release. All of these Epic exclusives piss me off when everyone that plays such games are on Steam & not Epic Games (most of [H] here is on Steam and/or Uplay rather than Epic).

I'll have to watch this thread over time to see how much Gearbox improves it before I jump into the fray.
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There will be other ways to play on PC before the Steam release. Stadia in November, very possibly Xbox Game Pass. Kind of like Control and Metro Exodus coming to XGP so quickly. I get the sense Epic begged 2K not to discuss their other platform plans before launch.
 
Domingo said:
That's my take. It's not that I can't handle a new game unable to run at 4K maxed, but more that Borderlands 3 in particular doesn't appear to justify that kind of performance/horsepower.
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You don't need photorealistic graphics to push hardware hard, I'm not looking too much into the game right now so that when I play it it will still feel new and to avoind spoilers, but from what I have seen, the graphics went up a couple notches even if they are still cell shaded/cartooney.

Also keep in mind that reviewers got a pretty buggy pre-release version of the game to review so the final game may very well run a bit smoother, we will have to wait and see.
 
Well that downloaded fast. It just says server: offline. So I wonder if we have to do any decryption or if it will just go online and we can play instantly.
 
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