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It's looking like it's a new MoBo time after 10 years, so I might as well upgrade the CPU too.

I've been out of the market for a little bit. What's a good online resource to compare CPUs?
I want information on the FX-6000 series and the FX-9000 series. I'm torn between specs and saving money at this point.
 
I don't think anyone building a new PC today should be considering any of the AMD FX chips. There are several low cost Ryzen options available which will be light years better than the FX chips.
What's the intended purpose or need for this system?
 
Well, $250 if I'm decide to get something high performance. But of course I'd want to pocket some savings if I'm significantly compromising on performance.
 
FlawleZ said:
I don't think anyone building a new PC today should be considering any of the AMD FX chips. There are several low cost Ryzen options available which will be light years better than the FX chips.
What's the intended purpose or need for this system?
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Would like it to keep up modern games the next few years.

I suppose that means I'm definitely looking at AM4 and thus 288 pin DDR4 RAM.

So basically all new core components, no?
 
I went from a Q6600 to a 2600x and am very pleased but for $250 you're going to have issues simply because you'll need RAM. My motherboard, CPU and RAM bought at Microcenter cost me $340 and that was a good deal. A decent motherboard and CPU you could probably get for $250 but adding RAM in is going to break that budget.

If you go with a Ryzen 5 2600, a low end B450 chipset board and some cheap RAM you can probably get close to the $250, though.
 
maitchguy said:
It's looking like it's a new MoBo time after 10 years, so I might as well upgrade the CPU too.

I've been out of the market for a little bit. What's a good online resource to compare CPUs?
I want information on the FX-6000 series and the FX-9000 series. I'm torn between specs and saving money at this point.
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The FX series is so old as to be completely irrelevant. You won't find many if any direct comparisons like what you are probably looking for.
 
If you live near a microcenter that would be your cheapest option. You can get a ryzen 5 3600 for $200/asrock b450 pro4 mb for $25 after $50 rebate and gskill ddr4 2x8 3200 for $77- $320ish with tax.
Then all you need is a ssd and your golden.
 
Check the used parts here, and do some $ comparisons.

$50 3200+ kit from here, don't get hung up on B die. 16gb ideally

$100 2600 or $150 2700 from here, or may not be an x sku depending on whether you hit the FS that day or not. 6core or 8core, depends on your needs.

~ $100 You could find a new B450 board cheap from a reputable etailer, or go fishing here for a deal.

Future -
$89 nvme drive or whatever it costs today from the hot deals microcenter link
 
3200G for a hundred bucks new
B450 for a hundred bucks (wireless for 120)
16GB of ddr4 about 60 bucks (4x4)

That'll net you around 260 bucks ...then you can take your time to upgrade the storage and other components.

speed-wise, the 3200G is about 10% slower than the ancient FX 8350 you were eyeing up for some reason. The 3200G does that with less cores and way better power efficiency and will support modern graphics since I take it you are currently using a graphics card circa 2001. It wont get you high quality in games but if you've stuck with the old hardware you have, then you aren't used to playing games at high quality or at all at any reasonable framerate anyway, so still a huge step up. Could splurge for the 3400 or a discrete radeon card from yesteryear pretty cheap and be fairly well set for most games for a while ...albeit in medium or low at worst , but that adds probably another 50-100 bucks on the build.

If you want _new_ then a budget of 300 bucks rather than 250 will make a fairly significant difference in what hardware you can get and what kind of future proofing you can set yourself up for.

Used is anyone's guess ... i'm sure there are some people on here junking perfectly good hardware from last gen who dont need the money and wont ever have a use for the hardware that you could get for a steal.
 
I agree with others, a site that i use to help make sure parts compatibility and fine prices is pcpartpicker.com. The ryzen are very good. Not sure what gpu you have though, may or may not want to get an APU depending.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mVYGmq

$248.87
2600x, 8gb 3000 DDR4, msi b450 MB (this one has 4 ram slots to make adding ram eaiser). Also, may want to go with Corsair 2666 ram instead, probably better support, but do research.
 
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Okay, awesome. Looks like I'm getting a new 'puter. Thanks for all the advice everyone. About time to upgrade to an SSD too I'm thinking and just use my old ones for archiving purposes.

Y'all know anything about the reliability of various brands? Some are so freakin' cheap, it's hard to pass them up.
And by the way, I back all important data on up on a RAID 1 operating NAS.
 
Ready4Dis said:
I agree with others, a site that i use to help make sure parts compatibility and fine prices is pcpartpicker.com. The ryzen are very good. Not sure what gpu you have though, may or may not want to get an APU depending.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mVYGmq

$248.87
2600x, 8gb 3000 DDR4, msi b450 MB (this one has 4 ram slots to make adding ram eaiser). Also, may want to go with Corsair 2666 ram instead, probably better support, but do research.
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That raises the complication of case selection. I'd like to go ahead and replace my current one; it was super cheap to begin with and now it's all busted and ugly.

Do they make full ATX cases that support Micro ATX or other smaller form factors?
Also, I need to know if I'm going to be able to fit my graphics card in. I have an MSI Radeon RX 570:
https://www.newegg.com/msi-radeon-r...-8g-oc/p/N82E16814137291?Item=N82E16814137291
 
DrDoU said:
any of the ryzen cpus would run all over a fx series
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Cool.

I'm pretty set on a Ryzen now, then.
Am I going to need to invest in any liquid cooling?
My Phenom II ran extra hot when I played Borderlands (horrible PC adaptation of a console game; it all ran on one core) and I got a Corsair Hydro H50 and that did the trick.
Of course I'd need to upgrade to at least he H55 for the AM4 socket.
 
maitchguy said:
That raises the complication of case selection. I'd like to go ahead and replace my current one; it was super cheap to begin with and now it's all busted and ugly.

Do they make full ATX cases that support Micro ATX or other smaller form factors?
Also, I need to know if I'm going to be able to fit my graphics card in. I have an MSI Radeon RX 570:
https://www.newegg.com/msi-radeon-r...-8g-oc/p/N82E16814137291?Item=N82E16814137291
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Yes pretty much any atx case has minus for mATX as well. The 570 will be better than any apu, so just stick with normal CPU unless you have any other reason not to.
 
Ready4Dis said:
Yes pretty much any atx case has minus for mATX as well. The 570 will be better than any apu, so just stick with normal CPU unless you have any other reason not to.
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Okay, I'll look for that in the specs of any I pick to make sure.

I didn't understand that last part of your comment though. I already have the 570 in my current computer and will be migrating it over; I just bought it this year when my old graphics card crapped out.
 
maitchguy said:
Cool.

I'm pretty set on a Ryzen now, then.
Am I going to need to invest in any liquid cooling?
My Phenom II ran extra hot when I played Borderlands (horrible PC adaptation of a console game; it all ran on one core) and I got a Corsair Hydro H50 and that did the trick.
Of course I'd need to upgrade to at least he H55 for the AM4 socket.
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Not unless you want to, a 2600x comes with a decent cooler, will run just fine for you. There are so many options though, so do some research and make an informed decision after hearing some suggestions.
 
maitchguy said:
Okay, I'll look for that in the specs of any I pick to make sure.

I didn't understand that last part of your comment though. I already have the 570 in my current computer and will be migrating it over; I just bought it this year when my old graphics card crapped out.
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I meant normal CPU, without a built in GPU (an apu). The rx570 is not to bad for some 1080p gaming. Normal ryzens don't have a GPU built in, only the G series (2200g, 2400g, etc) have GPU built in.
 
So here's what I'm looking at now:
Motherboard:
MSI ARSENAL GAMING B450 TOMAHAWK AM4 AMD B450 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.1 HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard $115.99

CPU:
AMD RYZEN 5 2600X 6-Core 3.6 GHz (4.2 GHz Max Boost) Socket AM4 95W YD260XBCAFBOX Desktop Processor $159.99
or
AMD RYZEN 3 3200G 4-Core 3.6 GHz (4.0 GHz Max Boost) Socket AM4 65W YD3200C5FHBOX Desktop Processor $99.99

RAM:
2x G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 8GB 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 2666 (PC4 21300) Desktop Memory Model F4-2666C15S-8GVR $73.98 total

Will that motherboard support the CPU. All the generational and proprietary CPU infrastructure technology is throwing me for a loop.
 
And how about these case options? I'd obviously prefer the cheaper, but I had a bad experience with my current case. I really couldn't screw in my graphics card with out sort of forcing it to lean to get the securing screw in. Do you have any experience with any of these brands? Any issues?

Cooler Master HAF XB EVO - High Air Flow Test Bench and LAN Box Desktop Computer Case with ATX Motherboard Support
$131.96
Phanteks Enthoo Pro TG PH-ES614PTG_BK Integrated RGB lighting Tempered Glass Side Panel ATX Full Tower Computer Case - Black
$109.99
Fractal Design Meshify C Black ATX High-Airflow Compact Light Tint Tempered Glass Mid Tower Computer Case
$96.99
RAIDMAX Zeta Series Zeta B04 Black Steel / Plastic / Tempered Glass ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
$49.99
 
What do y'all think about hese Vasky SSDs? I know they're made in China, but they've got a tone of good reviews on NewEgg. I'm wondering if people just haven't had them long enough for them to fail and develop a reputation.
 
maitchguy said:
So here's what I'm looking at now:
Motherboard:
MSI ARSENAL GAMING B450 TOMAHAWK AM4 AMD B450 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.1 HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard $115.99

CPU:
AMD RYZEN 5 2600X 6-Core 3.6 GHz (4.2 GHz Max Boost) Socket AM4 95W YD260XBCAFBOX Desktop Processor $159.99
or
AMD RYZEN 3 3200G 4-Core 3.6 GHz (4.0 GHz Max Boost) Socket AM4 65W YD3200C5FHBOX Desktop Processor $99.99

RAM:
2x G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 8GB 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 2666 (PC4 21300) Desktop Memory Model F4-2666C15S-8GVR $73.98 total

Will that motherboard support the CPU. All the generational and proprietary CPU infrastructure technology is throwing me for a loop.
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Spend the extra $7 it costs for the G Skill 16GB 3200c16 kit over that terrible 2666 stuff for $73.xx...The performance difference will be very nice, and allow you extract maximum performance from a Ryzen Sku @1080p, which is their weakest point.

That price seems a little high for a b450...I would try to pick up onr cheaper here or look for a x370/x470 here or on eBay since you have buyer protection.

You can also order an AM4 bracket for your AIO from the company pretty cheap.
 
somebrains said:
Check the used parts here, and do some $ comparisons.

$50 3200+ kit from here, don't get hung up on B die. 16gb ideally

$100 2600 or $150 2700 from here, or may not be an x sku depending on whether you hit the FS that day or not. 6core or 8core, depends on your needs.

~ $100 You could find a new B450 board cheap from a reputable etailer, or go fishing here for a deal.

Future -
$89 nvme drive or whatever it costs today from the hot deals microcenter link
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The sell/trade forum here can be a great benefit if you’re on a budget and don’t need latest and greatest. I was a little bored recently and just wanted a semi modern system just to tweak around with, but didn’t want to screw with my main rig. Got a B350 board/R7 2700/16gb DDR3400 for about $260 I’m still tweaking things but so far performance for the $$$ cant be beat.
 
ccityinstaller said:
Spend the extra $7 it costs for the G Skill 16GB 3200c16 kit over that terrible 2666 stuff for $73.xx...The performance difference will be very nice, and allow you extract maximum performance from a Ryzen Sku @1080p, which is their weakest point.

That price seems a little high for a b450...I would try to pick up onr cheaper here or look for a x370/x470 here or on eBay since you have buyer protection.

You can also order an AM4 bracket for your AIO from the company pretty cheap.
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Thanks! Will do!
 
So here's what I wound up getting, along with a $99.99 SanDisk SSD from Amazon and a mounting bracket for my Corsair H50 Hydro cooler for the AM4 socket.
 

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You left $100-200 that could have been applied to a better GPU if you shipped used.
Arguably the microcenter 1tb fave nvme drive deal is better.
I understand wanting all new parts, but saving almost 1/2 way to a used 1080ti is something to consider.
Saving almost 2/3 of the way to the 271hu here is something to consider too.
I have one of those Acer monitors, it's a gaming beast.

Case is $50 used in my area.
All I care about is airflow.

CPU I don't agree with, there's a 2700x here in the FS for $160.
Otherwise find a $100 2600 and clock it yourself.....or don't and let it boost on its own

Ram is fine, you paid $25 more than I can grab 3 used identical kits for $50 on my Craigslist.

Mobo I'd rather have the B450 Strix Newegg is pushing for $120 shipped on eBay.....and I detest Asus as a company.

I grabbed a Thermaltake AM4 bracket off Amazon a couple months ago for $10 bc it was the cheapest bracket I could get shipped to my door for my H115i.

You might be better off with a plain jane hyper 212 Evo Black for $25 if you aren't planning on pegging your cores to max. I don't like how noisy the stock wraith coolers are the way I push my Ryzen CPUs. I'm not abusive, 4.1ghz @ 1.35v just keeps my 2600 under 100% use in some games. 1 bump in power setting up from minimal stable.
 
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somebrains said:
You left $100-200 that could have been applied to a better GPU if you shipped used.
Arguably the microcenter 1tb fave nvme drive deal is better.
I understand wanting all new parts, but saving almost 1/2 way to a used 1080ti is something to consider.
Saving almost 2/3 of the way to the 271hu here is something to consider too.
I have one of those Acer monitors, it's a gaming beast.

Case is $50 used in my area.
All I care about is airflow.

CPU I don't agree with, there's a 2700x here in the FS for $160.
Otherwise find a $100 2600 and clock it yourself.....or don't and let it boost on its own

Ram is fine, you paid $25 more than I can grab 3 used identical kits for $50 on my Craigslist.

Mobo I'd rather have the B450 Strix Newegg is pushing for $120 shipped on eBay.....and I detest Asus as a company.

I grabbed a Thermaltake AM4 bracket off Amazon a couple months ago for $10 bc it was the cheapest bracket I could get shipped to my door for my H115i.

You might be better off with a plain jane hyper 212 Evo Black for $25 if you aren't planning on pegging your cores to max. I don't like how noisy the stock wraith coolers are the way I push my Ryzen CPUs. I'm not abusive, 4.1ghz @ 1.35v just keeps my 2600 under 100% use in some games. 1 bump in power setting up from minimal stable.
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Oh well. I didn't know about the CPU, but otherwise I'd just prefer to buy new for the MFG warranty. I searched all over for a bracket and alot of options seemed shady. Hopefully this will be good enough to get me through the next 5-10 years. I'm really not much of a hardcore gamer anyway.
Thanks for the advice everybody. I'm definitely glad I came here for some insight.
 
maitchguy said:
Oh well. I didn't know about the CPU, but otherwise I'd just prefer to buy new for the MFG warranty. I searched all over for a bracket and alot of options seemed shady. Hopefully this will be good enough to get me through the next 5-10 years. I'm really not much of a hardcore gamer anyway.
Thanks for the advice everybody. I'm definitely glad I came here for some insight.
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Awesome, let us know how it goes!
 
On the video card... consider really consider what you are doing monitor wise over the next few years.

If you are at 1080p 75hz today and plan to be for the next 2-3 years. Just migrate your RX 570... an upgrade there will be of minimal value.

In fact I would say if you are considering a new/used video card upgrade and you know your monitor isn't going to change anytime soon. If you really have the extra money spend it on a 3600 over a 2600. (not that the current deals on 2600s aren't great).

I built a 3600x and put my RX 570 in it. Running a ultra wide LG 2560x1080 at 75hz with freesync. It's a perfect combo. Basically ultra settings in all my games... and rock solid 75 fps in almost everything. A few games will dip 60-75 fps range, with freesync though it's not even noticeable. You mentioned borderlands. I was playing BL2 the other day with the HQ texture pack ultra everything 75 FPS locked.

Anyway consider your monitor. If you are running a 1440 monitor or plan to upgrade your monitor soon video card might be worth looking at. 1080... RX 570 will do you until better cards hit the market. (I picked my 570 up cause it was stupid cheap and AMD was giving away games worth almost as much as the stupid card at the time.... best hardware purchase I have made in years in terms of bang for the buck)
 
ChadD said:
On the video card... consider really consider what you are doing monitor wise over the next few years.
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Cant agree here. Not the “few years” timeline. In a “few years” you’ll be in the market for a new GPU at least once if not multiple times. Few months? Then it should be a consideration.
 
This is how the RX 580 plays paired with a 3600 on a cheap mobo with that Team memory .. It is still very robust in Image Quality as like smooth with all of Candy Land in 1080p just to show what ChadD means as the game was free with the card .

I am old so it takes a min to get going ,

 
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