Apple Is Locking iPhone Batteries to Discourage Repair

Nolan7689 said:
Water resistant typically means if accidents happen hopefully it’s not fucked. It doesn’t mean go swimming with your phone/just chuck it into a bath.

That said I have seen videos of users doing just that and the phone continuing to work fine. I still wouldn’t recommend ever purposely subjecting your phone to water though.
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There you have it. Thus its pointless to seal the cover... you could easily coat it with hydrophobic material for same or even better results, with normal back being openable to switch the battery. Thus apple argument is invalid... (you could still seal the internal components, not an issue.
 
cyklondx said:
There you have it. Thus its pointless to seal the cover... you could easily coat it with hydrophobic material for same or even better results, with normal back being openable to switch the battery. Thus apple argument is invalid... (you could still seal the internal components, not an issue.
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Care to elaborate ? Water resistant is something looked for (yeah it's not waterproof and warranty is void if water damaged but STILL it's nice to have such).
I would also add that the damned battery in phones have been glued WAYYY before water proofing and that Apple has been (from my limited experience) one of the worst for over gluing.

Anyway, waterproof phones aren't sealed so that nobody can service it, pretty much anyone with electronic background can open it with patience although I wouldn't bet on phones keeping waterproofing spec and based on the video I saw from people going to Genius bars, I wouldn't think it kept it's waterproof spec after an AASP touched it lol. I would add that Apple is the WORST by far about screw lengths, diameter and thread. I'm puzzled as to WHY you need a new special screw for every hole...

Post Babbling, why are we elaborating on Waterproofind in a thread where Apple deemed important to notify user when non-AASP tech swaped the battery ? NEW / USED / OEM / 3rd PARTY be damned, there's no way to replace the battery and not have that message if it's not done by AASP.
 
MMitch said:
Care to elaborate ? Water resistant is something looked for (yeah it's not waterproof and warranty is void if water damaged but STILL it's nice to have such).
I would also add that the damned battery in phones have been glued WAYYY before water proofing and that Apple has been (from my limited experience) one of the worst for over gluing.

Anyway, waterproof phones aren't sealed so that nobody can service it, pretty much anyone with electronic background can open it with patience although I wouldn't bet on phones keeping waterproofing spec and based on the video I saw from people going to Genius bars, I wouldn't think it kept it's waterproof spec after an AASP touched it lol. I would add that Apple is the WORST by far about screw lengths, diameter and thread. I'm puzzled as to WHY you need a new special screw for every hole...

Post Babbling, why are we elaborating on Waterproofind in a thread where Apple deemed important to notify user when non-AASP tech swaped the battery ? NEW / USED / OEM / 3rd PARTY be damned, there's no way to replace the battery and not have that message if it's not done by AASP.
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I'd like to state that my point on waterproofing failure, as a response to your response on making it sort of waterproof by sealing the case in first place. People were fine that then, so now they can eat a d.... they bought the product. so i guess no1 cares.
 
Verge said:
They might not know how it works.




Watching his video now, and he's quite biased and unfortunately, completely false. China can print whatever the hell part number they want on this Chinese junk he buys in wholesale for his business. He establishes he uses the part number to distinguish apple parts.

You don't see a problem here? He strait up admits he doesn't have any way to factually check those parts.
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Lol is this the same idiot that blamed Apple for his illegal Apple knock-off batteries for getting confiscated at port?
 
deyer said:
I had the battery ballooning issues with the iphone 5's (really separated the screen from the body on one phone and I wonder if this is to control supply.
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It is a normal failure mode for old lithium batteries,
cyklondx said:
oh you mean the batteries that matched specs but didn't have a single apple logo on it? sure, i'd blame apple for it as well as the boarder guys.
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They did have an Apple logo
 
there were 2 cases, ones that didn't have a logo; and ones that did have logo and were original apple batteries recycled from iphones.
 
SvenBent said:
its funny seeing how the Apple fanboys keep talking about non-brand batteris and its issues, but complete negate to answer the above question, even though its been brought up several times.
Courage is being blind?


The error message seems to have nothing to do with the batteries but more on who did the service. complete and utter BS
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I`m still waiting, benefit of the doubt eh?
 
cyklondx said:
there were 2 cases, ones that didn't have a logo; and ones that did have logo and were original apple batteries recycled from iphones.
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And how would customs know that... Louis would have already been flagged after the first lot and everything would automatically be scrutinised
 
I don't support htis, but I don't really care either. What are the odds that you're going to replace a battery within 3 years? I did it with a couple of phones, but htat was only because of the deep discount Apple offered last year. I could have gone a few more years without the battery needing to be replaced and I think my iPhone 6 is 5 or 6 years old. Obviously other people wear out batteries quicker than I do, so I'm only speaking for me.
 
aokman said:
And how would customs know that... Louis would have already been flagged after the first lot and everything would automatically be scrutinised
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in either case none would be counter-fitted. + that guy wasn't the only one, from what he was on about plenty of other repair shops were "flagged" in this case, and he wasn't even the first one.

In any case, i don't care about apple or their users. I have foreseen their death, and it won't be long now.
 
cyklondx said:
in either case none would be counter-fitted. + that guy wasn't the only one, from what he was on about plenty of other repair shops were "flagged" in this case, and he wasn't even the first one.

In any case, i don't care about apple or their users. I have foreseen their death, and it won't be long now.
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Apple is not going anywhere. Too many vain iSheep out there. It isn't even about the quality of their products. To the common man Apple is seen as the pinicale of technology and style.
 
vegeta535 said:
Apple is not going anywhere. Too many vain iSheep out there. It isn't even about the quality of their products. To the common man Apple is seen as the pinicale of technology and style.
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There's a good reason why Apple stopped publishing their iphone sales. isheep turn into Droidsheeps.
(from my evil corp to other.)
 
vegeta535 said:
Apple is not going anywhere. Too many vain iSheep out there. It isn't even about the quality of their products. To the common man Apple is seen as the pinicale of technology and style.
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LOL I couldn’t give 2 shits what brand is on my phone, all I care about is reliability.
 
aokman said:
LOL I couldn’t give 2 shits what brand is on my phone, all I care about is reliability.
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You are not the common person. There are shit ton of vain people out there and the entire keeping up with the Jones thing is real. That enough to keep money tree going for Apple.
 
I guess not addressing Apples banning of its own batteries in this "apple lock" thing basically confirms, Apples position in this matter is all about the lost revenue and nothing about the "safety" of end users.

I assume the best thing to do to those who need to replace your batteries, is to simply buy yourself an Apple Genius Shirt while replacing any parts on an iphone, maybe the battery health monitoring might not lock itself LOL.

"you too can be a genius"
 
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Fremunaln said:
I guess not addressing Apples banning of its own batteries in this "apple lock" thing basically confirms, Apples position in this matter is all about the lost revenue and nothing about the "safety" of end users.

I assume the best thing to do to those who need to replace your batteries, is to simply buy yourself an Apple Genius Shirt while replacing any parts on an iphone, maybe the battery health monitoring might not lock itself LOL.

"you too can be a genius"
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Or just pay for their battery replacement since it costs the same as a 3rd party replacement...
 
aokman said:
Or just pay for their battery replacement since it costs the same as a 3rd party replacement...
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More expensive. Apple could care less what battery your putting in as evidenced by their lock on their own batteries, they only care that person replacing the battery is an apple genius; ergo just get the shirt and you can replace your battery and the battery of anyone around ya. Heck, you can do that, and pick up a pair of their supereliable macbooks with those next generation butterfly keys: Apple wins, customer also winzzzzz.
 
MMitch said:
Really? It has been shown that using Apple Genuine Battery from iPhone A to iPhone B results in such battery health issue but feel free to think otherwise by cherry picking one video and drawing your conclusion.
https://www.ifixit.com/News/apple-is-locking-batteries-to-iphones-now

Anyway, can't wait until they do the same for car Oil, Tire installation and the best, light bulb replacement for your home because you know, 120VAC may kill you.

EDIT: Even better, CAR BATTERIES... need to go to dealer to swap the battery because euh only them can do it properly. Sorry I get startled quickly when it's Apple :)
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Electric vehicles are already like this. It’s why I refuse to buy one. You aren’t replacing a Tesla battery on your own, or even at an independent mechanic. It’s completely locked down.
 
cyklondx said:
in either case none would be counter-fitted. + that guy wasn't the only one, from what he was on about plenty of other repair shops were "flagged" in this case, and he wasn't even the first one.

In any case, i don't care about apple or their users. I have foreseen their death, and it won't be long now.
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:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

Apple's market cap is about 950 Billion, they have about 90 Billion in debt and they have about 250 billion in Cash. They're not going out of business anytime soon (unless your reference is geological time)
 
nilepez said:
:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

Apple's market cap is about 950 Billion, they have about 90 Billion in debt and they have about 250 billion in Cash. They're not going out of business anytime soon (unless your reference is geological time)
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some time ago, people would state the same thing about nortel, nokia, kodak, enron, lehman brothers (whom had $691 billion in assets), and many more. One day you may wake up and see apple announcing bankruptcy. (i predict at current pace 4-5 years from now)
// and if they manage to scale down, they will be gone for good from top markets; and slowly fade into obscurity over next decade or 2.
 
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I really miss the days when you could open the case and replace your fucking battery all by yourself.........
 
Note 3 owner since late 2013, replaced the battery last year and have another spare which I keep charged but don't use. Hoping to achieve a 10 year lifespan on this phone, always dedicating the savings towards Gpu upgrades in the spirit of [H]ardness. Only thing that might convince me to buy apple would be the resurrection of Jobs.
 
B770 said:
I really miss the days when you could open the case and replace your fucking battery all by yourself.........
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I miss the days when the whole back of the phone slid off and _was_ the battery. Forget to charge my phone for a week, still at 37% battery.
 
cyklondx said:
some time ago, people would state the same thing about nortel, nokia, kodak, enron, lehman brothers (whom had $691 billion in assets), and many more. One day you may wake up and see apple announcing bankruptcy. (i predict at current pace 4-5 years from now)
// and if they manage to scale down, they will be gone for good from top markets; and slowly fade into obscurity over next decade or 2.
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Really that's what you've got?
I'll start with the one that doesn't fit with the rest: Nokia. Nokia has been in decline for 12 years. Perhaps you should hve just sadi, "You're right, Apple will still be around in 10 years.

All the others had significant debt. But it's also worth noting that it took more than 10 years for NT to die.

Apple has almost 3x as much CASH as it has debts. Nortel both had debts thanks to several bad investments (and still took over a decade to go away). Sorry man, but I worked at Nortel. There's no comparison between them (unless you're thinking that, "Hey, nortel made phones and apples makes phones too")

I stand by my statement, Apple will be around 10 years from now (and likely much longer than that).
 
w1retap said:
I miss the days when the whole back of the phone slid off and _was_ the battery. Forget to charge my phone for a week, still at 37% battery.
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Turn off your data and you might get close to a week out of it...or just pick up an old flip phone. I've got an old Sanyo that still works quite well for a week, but all I use it for is certain alarms (because it turns itself on to play the alarm then turns itself off).
 
nilepez said:
Really that's what you've got?
I'll start with the one that doesn't fit with the rest: Nokia. Nokia has been in decline for 12 years. Perhaps you should hve just sadi, "You're right, Apple will still be around in 10 years.

All the others had significant debt. But it's also worth noting that it took more than 10 years for NT to die.

Apple has almost 3x as much CASH as it has debts. Nortel both had debts thanks to several bad investments (and still took over a decade to go away). Sorry man, but I worked at Nortel. There's no comparison between them (unless you're thinking that, "Hey, nortel made phones and apples makes phones too")

I stand by my statement, Apple will be around 10 years from now (and likely much longer than that).
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I am stating, if it 'apple' continues to walk the path its currently set on, they will likely fail quite quickly
// ;the bigger they are, the harder; and faster they fall.

Apple has been in decline since 2012 (thats already 7 years) while the net income appear to be climbing, its flawed as its not supported behind their hardware revenue or growth but existing service revenue is growing. Its due to companies paying apple to buy/sell their products to customers (buy as buy their customer data)

In more detail, people are not buying iphones as they used to - their current iphone users are drying up, and new ones are not showing up fast enough to replace them. It shows as their revenue from hardware, and iphone sales been dropping steadily for around 5-9 billion per year since 2015.
One may wonder why, the net income is increasing, why would this company fail or be failing? Quite simple if they are unable to deliver a product (customers), or a hardware sale that will grow on top of their self-contained ecosystem - their service revenue will reach a cliff, and they'll go into cliff fall - as people find next thing to jump on whether its android or something else... we are slowly approaching to that point where iphone is no longer desired product.
 
cyklondx said:
cyklondx said:
In any case, i don't care about apple or their users. I have foreseen their death, and it won't be long now.
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I am stating, if it 'apple' continues to walk the path its currently set on, they will likely fail quite quickly
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That's a very different from what you originally stated.

In more detail, people are not buying iphones as they used to - their current iphone users are drying up, and new ones are not showing up fast enough to replace them. It shows as their revenue from hardware, and iphone sales been dropping steadily for around 5-9 billion per year since 2015.
One may wonder why, the net income is increasing, why would this company fail or be failing? Quite simple if they are unable to deliver a product (customers), or a hardware sale that will grow on top of their self-contained ecosystem - their service revenue will reach a cliff, and they'll go into cliff fall - as people find next thing to jump on whether its android or something else... we are slowly approaching to that point where iphone is no longer desired product.
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No, people just don't upgrade all the time. Do you upgrade every year or every other year? If so, you're unusual (no matter what brand you like). It's no different than the world of computers. PCs use to be upgraded every 3 years. Now you can easily stretch that out to 5 or more years, because the hardware is fast enough and software generally isn't keeping up. We reached that point with phones years ago. An iPhone 6s is plenty fast for most tasks...hell even the 6 is fine, though it is getting long in the tooth. Given that we now pay full price for phones, most users aren't inclined to upgrade a phone that has a useful life of at least 5 years after 2. That by definition leads to less upgrades each year.

But again, Apple ain't going anywhere, and what you originally said was "they will likely fail quite quickly."
 
The reason people aren’t buying iPhones is because they are happy with their current ones. My previous iPhone was 3yrs old, I only upgraded because I smooshed the screen
 
I’ve said it before but here I go again, my sister is still using her 5s. The phone is comparatively ancient now, but frankly it works just fine and still feels good other than it has been dropped. There is some screen cracking in the corner and the digitizer is on its last legs now. It doesn’t register all touches. Can’t put those issues on the manufacturer though. Whenever she does upgrade it’s likely to be another iPhone. Not the newest but still in the eco system. She stretched that one 5 years.
 
nilepez said:
That's a very different from what you originally stated.



No, people just don't upgrade all the time. Do you upgrade every year or every other year? If so, you're unusual (no matter what brand you like). It's no different than the world of computers. PCs use to be upgraded every 3 years. Now you can easily stretch that out to 5 or more years, because the hardware is fast enough and software generally isn't keeping up. We reached that point with phones years ago. An iPhone 6s is plenty fast for most tasks...hell even the 6 is fine, though it is getting long in the tooth. Given that we now pay full price for phones, most users aren't inclined to upgrade a phone that has a useful life of at least 5 years after 2. That by definition leads to less upgrades each year.

But again, Apple ain't going anywhere, and what you originally said was "they will likely fail quite quickly."
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Time will show.
 
MMitch said:
Care to elaborate ? Water resistant is something looked for (yeah it's not waterproof and warranty is void if water damaged but STILL it's nice to have such).
I would also add that the damned battery in phones have been glued WAYYY before water proofing and that Apple has been (from my limited experience) one of the worst for over gluing.

Anyway, waterproof phones aren't sealed so that nobody can service it, pretty much anyone with electronic background can open it with patience although I wouldn't bet on phones keeping waterproofing spec and based on the video I saw from people going to Genius bars, I wouldn't think it kept it's waterproof spec after an AASP touched it lol. I would add that Apple is the WORST by far about screw lengths, diameter and thread. I'm puzzled as to WHY you need a new special screw for every hole...

Post Babbling, why are we elaborating on Waterproofind in a thread where Apple deemed important to notify user when non-AASP tech swaped the battery ? NEW / USED / OEM / 3rd PARTY be damned, there's no way to replace the battery and not have that message if it's not done by AASP.
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Disagree, they held through the longest for having fairly easy to replace internal batteries until the iPhone 6 design. Even then, all adhesives had pull tabs. Most android phones were far worse than this.

Apple wasn’t even the one that pushed for water resistance, but once that became a thing battery replacement became even more difficult due to the adhesives around everything.

At the end of the day though, a battery is easier to replace on an iPhone X than a Galaxy 9/10. Not to mention you can do it officially through the Apple store for only $25. For that price there is no reason to do it on your own, and Apple stores are everywhere.
 
As of this morning, Arse Technica has an article saying they're going to allow more third-party shops access to Apple parts so they can perform this type of repair. The catch is that the shops have to get Apple-certified, which is supposedly free.

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/201...repair-shops-more-access-to-authorized-parts/

(It's Arse Technica, so stay out of the comments, because somehow this is probably both bad and somehow Trump's fault, or Luis Rossman's.)
 
MMitch said:
Really? It has been shown that using Apple Genuine Battery from iPhone A to iPhone B results in such battery health issue but feel free to think otherwise by cherry picking one video and drawing your conclusion.
https://www.ifixit.com/News/apple-is-locking-batteries-to-iphones-now

Anyway, can't wait until they do the same for car Oil, Tire installation and the best, light bulb replacement for your home because you know, 120VAC may kill you.

EDIT: Even better, CAR BATTERIES... need to go to dealer to swap the battery because euh only them can do it properly. Sorry I get startled quickly when it's Apple :)
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You have evidently never owned a BMW...

Or a John Deere Tractor. certain vehicle companies have been going in this direction for years, With BMW, it's almost believable, if you change the battery, you are supposed to "Register" a new battery install in the computer, so it can track battery health. BMW motorcycles need a dealer to install certain parts like shocks, so the computer recognizes it, (most BMW motorcycles have electronic user adjustable shocks these days) John Deere on the other hand have made it as hard as possible for farmers to repair the equipment they own, some have resorted to buying hacked software to be able to work on their own equipment, as John Deere claims they own the software on the tractors, not the Farmer who spent Hundreds of thousands on some of this farm equipment, and that only authorized dealers are allowed to access it.

Apple is just following the trend in the Industry, and isn't even the first one to do this. But that's normal for Apple, they tend to "Improve" on ideas, I look for the next step to be non-transferable phones... locked to the User that purchased it with biometrics until it is traded in for a new Apple Phone.
 
motomonkey said:
Apple is just following the trend in the Industry, and isn't even the first one to do this. But that's normal for Apple, they tend to "Improve" on ideas, I look for the next step to be non-transferable phones... locked to the User that purchased it with biometrics until it is traded in for a new Apple Phone.
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I don’t think you can legally lock a device to a person.
 
Darunion said:
And most people get a new phone every or every other year. So is this actually an issue or is it just fabricated social network outrage? You can get lots of youtube hits for this kind of stuff.
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From some of the articles I've been reading, this is changing. There don't appear to be many new 'gotta have' features in the new phones that warrant an upgrade. Especially at Apple's prices.

Heck, the only reason I've decided to upgrade my Moto E (gen 1) is that I've gotten to the point where I can't read the screen without wearing a pair of cheaters.
 
sadsteve said:
From some of the articles I've been reading, this is changing. There don't appear to be many new 'gotta have' features in the new phones that warrant an upgrade. Especially at Apple's prices.

Heck, the only reason I've decided to upgrade my Moto E (gen 1) is that I've gotten to the point where I can't read the screen without wearing a pair of cheaters.
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Agreed. I feel like I use my phone less and less anymore. I do love a good camera in my pocket but for the most part I could get by with anything at this point now. After this is paid off, gonna keep it till it is dead. More fun toys out there to spend money on instead of a phone IMO.
 
motomonkey said:
You have evidently never owned a BMW...

Or a John Deere Tractor. certain vehicle companies have been going in this direction for years, With BMW, it's almost believable, if you change the battery, you are supposed to "Register" a new battery install in the computer, so it can track battery health. BMW motorcycles need a dealer to install certain parts like shocks, so the computer recognizes it, (most BMW motorcycles have electronic user adjustable shocks these days) John Deere on the other hand have made it as hard as possible for farmers to repair the equipment they own, some have resorted to buying hacked software to be able to work on their own equipment, as John Deere claims they own the software on the tractors, not the Farmer who spent Hundreds of thousands on some of this farm equipment, and that only authorized dealers are allowed to access it.

Apple is just following the trend in the Industry, and isn't even the first one to do this. But that's normal for Apple, they tend to "Improve" on ideas, I look for the next step to be non-transferable phones... locked to the User that purchased it with biometrics until it is traded in for a new Apple Phone.
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I'm lost here, is this suppose to help accept the fact that you can't repair for trivial reason your stuff ? I mean I would blame BMW and John Deere as much as I blame Apple for this lol.
 
Uvaman2 said:
Most people would be freaked out though.
Its just an overall strategy of pissing on repairs, and companies preference for yout to have zero control and right over your own costly device.
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It's just a matter of time before your mobile phone won't even be yours. Everyone will go the Microsoft Windows way of doing things and just license the phones out to people... which is essentially what people are doing already. People are spending $1000 every year for a small incremental improvement for their phones. It's quite crazy when I think about how much phones have increased in price and how little the improvements are and underwhelming the new features. I think next time I upgrade i'll be going mid-tier... which by today's standards is awesome.

"Good phones aren't getting cheap, but cheap phones are getting good."




Also not sure if you guys have seen what it's like to repair a Microsoft Surface or 2 laptop... they're UNREPAIRABLE. This is all due to how often we all buy new shit. Companies know we buy new shit every year so they're taking advantage of it.

We are a throw-away culture.
 
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