Any details about INTEL yet?

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Dr. Righteous

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I'm hearing rumors about Intels upcoming GPU but that is about it.

It really intriguing how they will produce a competitive GPU since they are only in the embedded side of graphics thus far.
Anyone run across any more info in this?
 
Dr. Righteous said:
It really intriguing how they will produce a competitive GPU since they are only in the embedded side of graphics thus far.
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The hardest parts aren't the hardware- which Intel is very good at- but the software, the drivers and the ecosystem around them.

Here, Intel is at least as good as Nvidia and AMD at their worst in the GPU space, and getting better.

Absent their 10nm stumblings, Intel would likely already have a competitive dGPU out. Once they have their fabrication lines settled they'll likely move up the performance brackets pretty quickly.
 
Dr. Righteous said:
I'm hearing rumors about Intels upcoming GPU but that is about it.

It really intriguing how they will produce a competitive GPU since they are only in the embedded side of graphics thus far.
Anyone run across any more info in this?
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Well, they've got Raja Koduri, so they just might know a thing or two about making desktop GPUs.

Back in the day the i740 was quite capable, but intel bailed from the desktop gpu market.
 
Stoly said:
Back in the day the i740 was quite capable, but intel bailed from the desktop gpu market.
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Functional and weird I got... but the thing didn't push pixels, and Intel goofed with trying to use main memory to feed it over AGP. The only models available were either expensive and lacked memory, or were really expensive, and neither were fast enough.

However, once they started building it into chipsets, the tech took off. I've been regularly surprised by how well Intel's integrated GPUs have performed over the years.
 
If I wasn’t lazy I’d try extrapolating their best iGPU to a dGPU size.
 
TPU posted a summary Raja did with a Russian Youtuber.

https://www.techpowerup.com/257911/intel-plans-to-launch-its-discrete-gpu-lineup-starting-at-usd-200

Short story is they're going after the mainstream market just like AMD was when he was there. So those of you hoping for a competitor to NVIDIA in the top performance bracket are going to have to keep dreaming.

During interview with Russian YouTube channel called PRO Hi-Tech, Raja Koduri, Intel's chief architect and senior vice president of architecture, software and graphics, talked about his career, why he left AMD, and where Intel is going with its discrete GPU attempts. However, one of the most notable things Mr Koduri said was regarding upcoming GPU lineup code-named Arctic Sound. He noted that Intel plans to release first GPU as a mid-range model at a price of $200, while enterprise solutions that utilize HBM memory will follow that.

Koduri said that he wants to replicate AMD's strategy of capturing high-volume price-points, such as the $199 Radeon RX 480. The plan here is to bring an affordable, good performing GPU to the masses - "GPUs for everyone" as he calls them. Additionally, he states that Intel's current strategy revolves around price, not performance, providing best possible value to consumers. Intel's approach for the next two or three years is to launch a complete lineup of GPUs, with a common architecture being used for everything from iGPUs found inside consumer CPUs to data-center GPUs.
 
Armenius said:
Short story is they're going after the mainstream market just like AMD was when he was there. So those of you hoping for a competitor to NVIDIA in the top performance bracket are going to have to keep dreaming.
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This is basically necessary. Intel has to prove many points in order to gain market confidence with their discrete GPUs, and until that point, they're going to have to price at a level where people are willing to take chances.

Now, depending on reaction from the market- reviews, consumer acceptance and confidence, OEM interest, competitor actions- Intel can scale up in size quickly or they can take their time, but it's still going to take a few years before they're targeting say the 2080 / Radeon VII space. Once they get there though, they can absolutely throw everything they have into the ring and go toe to toe with Nvidia's best.

I just hope the damn things come with VRR and HDMI 2.1.
 
Armenius said:
TPU posted a summary Raja did with a Russian Youtuber.

https://www.techpowerup.com/257911/intel-plans-to-launch-its-discrete-gpu-lineup-starting-at-usd-200

Short story is they're going after the mainstream market just like AMD was when he was there. So those of you hoping for a competitor to NVIDIA in the top performance bracket are going to have to keep dreaming.

During interview with Russian YouTube channel called PRO Hi-Tech, Raja Koduri, Intel's chief architect and senior vice president of architecture, software and graphics, talked about his career, why he left AMD, and where Intel is going with its discrete GPU attempts. However, one of the most notable things Mr Koduri said was regarding upcoming GPU lineup code-named Arctic Sound. He noted that Intel plans to release first GPU as a mid-range model at a price of $200, while enterprise solutions that utilize HBM memory will follow that.

Koduri said that he wants to replicate AMD's strategy of capturing high-volume price-points, such as the $199 Radeon RX 480. The plan here is to bring an affordable, good performing GPU to the masses - "GPUs for everyone" as he calls them. Additionally, he states that Intel's current strategy revolves around price, not performance, providing best possible value to consumers. Intel's approach for the next two or three years is to launch a complete lineup of GPUs, with a common architecture being used for everything from iGPUs found inside consumer CPUs to data-center GPUs.
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Well, with Raja as part of that boss, I do not think NVidia or AMD has anything to worry about. Maybe they will have a RX580 equivalent for $200 in 2021? Can't wait to see the hype he tries to spin on it, like maybe an over clockers dream? :D

IdiotInCharge said:
This is basically necessary. Intel has to prove many points in order to gain market confidence with their discrete GPUs, and until that point, they're going to have to price at a level where people are willing to take chances.

Now, depending on reaction from the market- reviews, consumer acceptance and confidence, OEM interest, competitor actions- Intel can scale up in size quickly or they can take their time, but it's still going to take a few years before they're targeting say the 2080 / Radeon VII space. Once they get there though, they can absolutely throw everything they have into the ring and go toe to toe with Nvidia's best.

I just hope the damn things come with VRR and HDMI 2.1.
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Years? And by that point, the 2080 / VII will be the low end, good luck with that.
 
They only have mentioned a $200 gpu so far, unlikely anything any of us will want or care about. They will need more time before they can even come close to competing for the Enthusiasts money.
 
I doubt their GPU will include gaming as their priorities. Intel was keen on keeping up with Nvidia in the GPGPU space back when they attempted this before and we got Knights Landing (or something). Now Intel has nothing to challenge anything NVidia in the massive parallel computing space.

My question is, if they create a massive monolithic die with many sub processors like NVidia, will they also release a version for the pro graphics/gaming market? I'd like to hope so!
 
Gideon said:
They only have mentioned a $200 gpu so far, unlikely anything any of us will want or care about. They will need more time before they can even come close to competing for the Enthusiasts money.
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Really depends on what you get for US$200.
 
The other take away here:

Intel won't be challenging the top end... not that I expected it, but without AMD challenging it either, nVidia remains clear to put up $1k-$3k GPUs there. AMD and nVidia were already scrapping in the $100-$300 range and competition remained alive there. Not sure this will be all that big of a benefit unless Intel is really able to push the need in performance/dollar.

BrotherMichigan said:
HBM is for the enterprise solutions, not for consumers.
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Thanks, I didn't catch that.
 
BrotherMichigan said:
I guess I should have said "Intel will only be using HBM on their enterprise products."
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Now that's pretty likely. HDM has its place in consumer territory, but it's a pretty narrow application and due to expense likely only usable when size is a hard limitation.
 
Looking forward to see how this all pans out.

With a proper budget Raja should do well, and I doubt AMD is in a position to counter much. Money talks.
Nvidia's response will be far more interesting.
 
Stoly said:
Well, they've got Raja Koduri, so they just might know a thing or two about making desktop GPUs.
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I find it delicious how Intel fanboi's will be pumping Koduri's tires. The classic Intel-Nvidia fanboi might have an aneurysm.
 
funkydmunky said:
I find it delicious how Intel fanboi's will be pumping Koduri's tires. The classic Intel-Nvidia fanboi might have an aneurysm.
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I think its far more interesting how some people think Raja is a hapless tool who only knows how to market himself and Intel invests in idiots. That's some dedicated fainboism.
 
Auer said:
I think its far more interesting how some people think Raja is a hapless tool who only knows how to market himself and Intel invests in idiots. That's some dedicated fainboism.
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Hapless? No, just that the evidence of his past speaks for itself. If he proves me wrong, great but, I would not expect it to happen, regardless of how he might be good at things, if he were not in charge.
 
funkydmunky said:
I find it delicious how Intel fanboi's will be pumping Koduri's tires. The classic Intel-Nvidia fanboi might have an aneurysm.
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I don't give two shits about Raja. He's one dude.

My interest is in seeing Intel bring their economy of scale silicon fabrication into the GPU market, for a host of reasons.
 
Gideon said:
They only have mentioned a $200 gpu so far, unlikely anything any of us will want or care about. They will need more time before they can even come close to competing for the Enthusiasts money.
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My last 5 GPUs purchases where $200 and under, all within about the last 2 years... Although I agree I probably won't want it, it's not because of the price point. I have 4 desktops and a server to keep running, $1200 on a GPU is out, I need price/performance.
 
Stoly said:
Well, they've got Raja Koduri, so they just might know a thing or two about making desktop GPUs.

Back in the day the i740 was quite capable, but intel bailed from the desktop gpu market.
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Get ready for Vega 2.0 Intel Xe

- slow

- hot

- expensive

...brought to you by Raja Koduri
 
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